English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

00:11

Apparently one who didn’t love me.

From The Guardian style guide: fuck not “a good, honest old-fashioned Anglo-Saxon word” (as it is often described) because there is no such thing as an Anglo-Saxon word (they spoke Old English) and, more important, its first recorded use dates from 1278

Isn’t that interesting that they wrong “more important” not “more importantly”?

Apparently the Ellie Lamers haven’t gotten to them yet.

Cerberus

> [what is] more important

Johan Larsson

what user? why so cryptic?

Cerberus

00:32

No idea?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

HaHa this is so funny, first Emperor of China speaks English fluently

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tchrist

00:53

More evidence that Geoffrey Pullum cannot be trusted: he writes csh scripts. :)

tchrist

01:56

The “blog” of “unnecessary” quotation marks.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

I cannot live without Piratebay, Grooveshark, uTorrent, Pornhub

and justin tv

tchrist

Your husband is in porn? Really? Is that how you met him?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

No

tchrist

It’s ok. I’m not judging.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

I love piracy. I think we can pirate songs because bands make most of their money from touring or going on tv shows or through advertisements, so why can't we just listen to their songs for free?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

02:12

You could see the humidity in the air this evening. Fortunately, it was in the low 80s.

tchrist

Ew.

Back to the bridge with you then.

tchrist

02:26

If you thought the “unnecessary” quotation marks were funny, you’re going just lOVE THE lOWERCASE L BlOG.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

02:49

Jerks.

Alraxite

04:15

Is "... where A and B denote..." correct or "... where A and B denotes..." correct?

Guess nobody's here....

O0oO0oOO0ooO

05:07

iAmbitious

hello good morning all people here :)

O0oO0oOO0ooO

hey there, do you know what is Updog?

skullpatrol

The opposite of a Downdog :D

O0oO0oOO0ooO

oh, I see

iAmbitious

lol

i found this

What Up, Dog?

What Up, Dog? is a 1988 album by Was (Not Was). It became the US group's breakthrough album worldwide and was ranked #99 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 100 Best Albums of the 1980's. Overview Success of What Up, Dog? was propelled by the group's two biggest hits: "Walk the Dinosaur" and "Spy in the House of Love" and four other singles. The former was promoted by a popular music video in which the band performed while a group of girls in campy cave girl costumes danced. The video received heavy rotation on MTV and MuchMusic and led the single into the top ten of the US singles c...

Mr_Green

05:14

Hi guys

Good morning

What we call a person who always sleep?

iAmbitious

Good morning Mr_Green

Mr_Green

I am looking for a funny kind of word

sleeper?

iAmbitious

kumbhakarna @Mr_Green

kriyayogagurupranam.blogspot.in/p/story-of-kumbhakarna.html

see this

Mr_Green

hehe k

thanks

Any English word for that ?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

09:49

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0:40 is super funny

O0oO0oOO0ooO

10:09

I hate Canker sore =( I get this like every year

KitFox

12:07

@Mr_Green Sleeping Beauty or Lazybones. Sleepy head.

> Now I’m no heterophobe, but in a hetero relationship, like…which one’s the man and which one’s the other man?

Matt Эллен

12:30

bunjerno

KitFox

Yes, that is funny. Interview should not be capitalized.

Matt Эллен

yeah, it's pretty unusual to capitalise interview in the middle of a sentence.

!!/jinx

Caprica Six

O0oO0oOO0ooO

NVM, I'm not feeling well today and misunderstood meaning of the sentence

Matt Эллен

awww. hope you feel better soon

O0oO0oOO0ooO

12:34

And interview is not capitalised in my textbook too

Thanks

I wonder why Asians in Singapore call themselves Chinese

Is anyone here legitimately proven that you are a descendent of a Romanian (Holy Roman Empire)?

Matt Эллен

Are you asking if anyone here is Romanian?

aadivrirya

"You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."

O0oO0oOO0ooO

I'm asking if anyone here is a Romanian (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire) descendant.

aadivrirya

i am not ...

Matt Эллен

then you mean "of Romanian descent"

Mitch

12:45

@O0oO0oOO0ooO Those are two very different things, Romanian and Holy Roman Empire (look up those two on wikipedia)

Pretty much anybody in Germany is an obvious descendant of someone in the HRE, because that is the location of the the former HRE. A Romanian is someone from Romania, and (my history is fuzzy here, Europe is kind of a mess) and there is very little overlap of the HRE with Romanian territory.

Did you happen to mean the Roman Empire? Or maybe a single particular Roman Emperor?

Also the Holy Roman Empire (historically centered in Germany) is very much distinct from the Roman Empire (centered in Italy and what is now Turkey (the Byzantine part))

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Hmm, the word "Roma" confuses me a lot because it's verbosely used to name things in Europe right? Including Rome in Italy, Romania, HRE and Roman Empire.

Matt Эллен

And ostensively different from the imaginary Bro-man empire, historically centred around fraternities.

Mitch

As to "legitimately proven" there are all sorts of people with aristocratic titles who can trace their lineage to Charlemagne (most of the nobility of Europe), and he is considered the first emperor of HRE.

@O0oO0oOO0ooO Yes, a whole bunch of stuff. So you have to be very exact in what you say to get the answer you want.

So which thing exactly do you want? Caesar or Charlemagne or Ceaucescu?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Caesar

Robusto

Use while in the present day. Use whilst in the 17th century. — Robusto 16 secs ago

Mitch

12:51

@MattЭллен Also the Bro-ny Empire, filled with magic ponies ....and dudes.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch I think the more important question is: why do I think there is a b in ostensively?

Mitch

@O0oO0oOO0ooO Some have given a genealogy that connects Charlemagne and Caesar but I find that a bit tenuous, given taht Caesar's kids were killed after he was assassinated.

@MattЭллен There's not? Just squint.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Oh

Matt Эллен

Maybe I confuse ostensive and obstinate

Mitch

Obstensively, you have a point.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

13:00

Is it normal for people to get Canker Sore occasionally? When ever I do some hardcore nonstop programming for few days, I always get this and make me hard to eat food

I hate it so much =(

Matt Эллен

canker sores

could be that you're run down

KitFox

It is not unusual. Rinsing with salt water might help.

Robusto

Could be a flare-up of herpes simplex too.

Matt Эллен

KitFox

13:25

Wow that looks good.

Matt Эллен

It does look quite tasty

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's pretty tall

Matt Эллен

I don't think I could fit it in my mouth in one bite

KitFox

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that.

And 20 bucks for every time I've said that.

Matt Эллен

you'd have a dollar twenty

KitFox

13:36

"Naturally sweetened fiber twigs" gosh that sounds appealing.

Doesn't taste too bad, but it looks kind of like Meow Mix.

Matt Эллен

What's that?

KitFox

Some Kashi cereal product.

That I am adding to my yogurt.

Matt Эллен

mmmm food

Andrew Leach

@MattЭллен Probably All-Bran. Actually, that's not too bad in yogurt. Crunchy.

KitFox

If you flag something as offensive on the main site, I'd appreciate a heads-up in here.

That's for all-y'all.

Matt Эллен

13:43

ok

Andrew Leach

ok

I did that. I suppose it's a bit late now.

KitFox

Or you can redact the list of offensive words yourself.

It's fine, no worries. I would have taken care of it sooner if I had seen it, is all.

Also, this is the third question by this poster, so he's probably going to spam it until he gets bored.

And he'll get bored faster if we delete it faster.

And this particular yogurt plus kashi blend has a vaguely bile aftertaste, like I threw up a little in my mouth.

Which is unfortunate. crunch, crunch, crunch

Andrew Leach

Oh. Not All-Bran, then.

Matt Эллен

just how you like your breakfast

KitFox

All-Bran has some kind of artificial sweetener that makes it taste gross to me.

Andrew Leach

13:48

I add sugar.

Matt Эллен

I remove All-Bran

KitFox

I figure I must not have the same taste experience as other people with regard to artificial sweeteners.

Andrew Leach

I don't like saccharin.

Matt Эллен

I don't like diet consumables — they tastes different to me

KitFox

I don't think they taste sweet. They taste very, I dunno, gross. Metallic, but not really, because metals taste good.

Andrew Leach

13:50

But I prefer Diet Coke to The Real Thing.

KitFox

What's the upper bound for int again? 2M something, right?

Matt Эллен

2^32

KitFox

!!/google "upper bound for integer datatype"

Caprica Six

@KitFox There are no search results. Run.

KitFox

Oh. well. Matt takes the fun out of it.

Matt Эллен

13:52

4294967296

that's for unsigned

I think

KitFox

Half that, because it's signed.

!!/jinx

Caprica Six

KitFox

@tchrist Keep an eye on that one. I'm not sure either.

tchrist

Ok. Thanks.

KitFox

It's got most, but not quite all of the markers.

tchrist

13:56

Yes. And one was erased.

Andrew Leach

Cryptic. But I can guess.

tchrist

I was hoping you could check the thing that I couldn’t.

KitFox

Well, I saw them, but the clincher was ... not clinching.

tchrist

Ok.

KitFox

The things. wink, nod, tap nose

tchrist

13:57

Time will tell.

KitFox

Exactly.

Andrew Leach

[Off to a meeting]

KitFox

Later.

Matt Эллен

((-2^31) -1) -> 2^31

Robusto

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KitFox

14:01

@Robusto keeps hitting the snooze button, but the alarm won't stop beeping

Robusto

@KitFox Go back to sleep.

MετάEd

@KitFox An int "has the natural size suggested by the architecture of the execution environment" but MUST store -32767 .. 32767.

KitFox

Oh right. I think I should use bigint here anyway, to be on the safe side.

MετάEd

@KitFox So you can't count on it to be 32-bits. It is only guaranteed to be (almost) 16 bits.

Matt Эллен

@MετάEd under which specification?

MετάEd

14:03

A long int is guaranteed to be (almost) 32 bits.

KitFox

That's C though, innit?

MετάEd

@MattЭллен ANSI C specification, and therefore UNIX.

Robusto

@MετάEd Or double your money back?

Matt Эллен

@MετάEd OK, so not the .NET specification

KitFox

I'm specifying field lengths in a SQL database anyway.

Speaking of Geek Week.

Matt Эллен

14:07

On YouTube?

I saw the Sunday stuff

tchrist

There a lot of 64-bit machines out there.

MετάEd

@MattЭллен Generally speaking the various specs for simple types are pretty well harmonized. There are always exceptions.

tchrist

short <= int <= long <= long long

But they can be the same.

MετάEd

@tchrist Yes, and even on a 64 bit machine an int is guaranteed only to be (almost) 16 bits, though it is probably in actuality 64 bits and you can use a macro to find out its actual size.

Matt Эллен

given that in c# int is an alias for Int32, yup, there's an exception.

MετάEd

14:12

@MattЭллен No, that's not an exception. Note carefully that Int32 is guaranteed to hold -32767 .. 32767 (plus as a bonus you get more).

An example of an exception would be a twelve-bit int.

tchrist

PDP-8s had a 12-bit architecture.

Some cameras use 12-bit arithmetic for their raw collection and conversion to JPEG.

We are not fond of them.

Better to grab 12- or 14-bit but use 16-bit for your registers.

KitFox

It's been ages since I wrote an executable to be run from the CLI. I can't remember half this stuff. I also can't decide what language to write it in.

Matt Эллен

@MετάEd It's also guaranteed to hold more. The bonus is not a bonus. It's always there.

tchrist

@KitFox To do what?

KitFox

Shred XML files.

MετάEd

14:16

@MattЭллен No, the point is that it is consistent with the C/UNIX standard. That is, if you program to the C/UNIX standard you'll be fine.

tchrist

Smells like it should be Perl.

KitFox

I already know how to do it in VB, so I'm tempted to write it in something else.

Not Perl.

tchrist

But now you’ll ask me which XML parsing module to use.

KitFox

Too much overhead, since I don't have any Perl tools.

tchrist

Then I’m afraid you’re on your own.

Matt Эллен

14:17

@MετάEd That's not the point at all. Kit was asking about what I assumed was limit for .NET ints. 32k is not the limit.

KitFox

I haven't written in C++ for ages. I'd love to ask the client what he's prefer, but ...

MετάEd

@MattЭллен There you're making an assumption. "What's the upper bound for int" is a tricky question.

Matt Эллен

@MετάEd Yes, but I'm making that assumption for a .NET programmer.

KitFox

Seems like C++ would be easier for them to find someone else to do stuff with it later on. C++ is more common than VB, isn't it?

tchrist

Well, yes.

But you have to a great deal more careful.

If you have the right libraries, you’ll be fine.

Probably.

MετάEd

14:19

@KitFox Someone has done the research but I don't remember how to find it.

KitFox

It's a very simple program. A data connection, file handling, and a lot of loops.

Robusto

Hey, a week from Sunday I'll have 1,000 consecutive days in attendance on the EL&U site. Maybe it'll be time for a break.

KitFox

Wow. Dude.

That's kind of tweaked.

Robusto

Yeah. Old habits . . .

tchrist

@KitFox Which is why I suggested Perl. Then try just plain C. But remember you have to manage your own memory. Find a good XML library if you actually have to parse things.

@Robusto Hey, and I thought I was bad.

@Kit If you have Python installed, use that, perhaps even before C. But again, with XML, it’s all about the libraries. But I don’t know quite what the task is, and it may be you don’t actually have to do real parsing, just splat things out.

KitFox

14:28

With VB, I can open the file as an XML doc and walk the nodes to get the information I need.

tchrist

Today I learned of a recent coinage: fatberg, akin to an iceberg but composed of lipids.

@KitFox That’s because you have the right libraries.

You’ll want to choose a language based on the availability of such.

KitFox

And they are built-in. So maybe I'll just stick with VB.

tchrist

Built-in in the sense that they are part of the standard installation.

KitFox

Yes.

tchrist

I think Perl and Python may only have HTML parsing as part of the default installation, and for XML, you have to do an add-on.

Utility company Thames Water says it has discovered what it calls the biggest "fatberg" ever recorded in Britain — a 15-ton blob of congealed fat and baby wipes the size of a bus lodged in a sewer drain. Thames Water says the mound of "wrongly flushed festering food fat mixed with wet wipes" was found under a road in the London suburb of Kingston.

KitFox

14:30

And now I'm annoyed with myself because I seem to have named this variable a "directory" when it is a "path". smacks past self

tchrist

Hm, what’s a path? You mean a full pathname, right? Or do you mean like a directory that holds executables?

Robusto

ECMAScript for XML

ECMAScript for XML (E4X) is a programming language extension that adds native XML support to ECMAScript (which includes ActionScript, JavaScript, and JScript). The goal is to provide an alternative to DOM interfaces that uses a simpler syntax for accessing XML documents. It also offers a new way of making XML visible. Before the release of E4X, XML was always accessed at an object level. E4X instead treats XML as a primitive (like characters, integers, and booleans). This implies faster access, better support, and acceptance as a building block (data structure) of a program. E4X is stan...

tchrist

I use "path" often enough to mean as the same as "full qualified pathname".

My Indian colleagues seem to think that path is the same as directory.

Robusto

Path is a squishy word.

KitFox

It is.

tchrist

14:33

But if I ask someone whether /usr/local is in their path, that’s something else.

KitFox

But I try to use them consistently when I name variables, so I know how they are used in my code.

tchrist

You could do worse than basename and dirname.

KitFox

Usually, if I name it as a Dir, I include the "\". If I use Path, I don't.

tchrist

@Robusto I was thinking of that.

KitFox

So you can see why it's annoying when I'm not consistent.

tchrist

14:34

@KitFox I don’t understand.

You mean a trailing directory separator?

KitFox

Yes.

tchrist

Oh.

I never use the trailing one, because I always put it pack when composing longer things.

"$dirname/$basename" or whatever.

I would never store a slash at the end of $dirname. It makes no difference.

KitFox

I do or don't, depending on what I'm using it for.

tchrist

But then, I know to catenate path elements with directory separators, not just splat them together.

KitFox

I wrote this particular code about four years ago, when I was first working out file handling in VB.

tchrist

14:36

This is another problem with um, certain people’s programming habits whom I might work with.

KitFox

does math Make that six years ago.

Robusto

@KitFox VB.Net?

KitFox

Yes.

I'd done a little in VB 6, but not so much that I'd remember.

Robusto

I'm sure there's a documented way to deal with this. Look on SO.

KitFox

I could, but I don't really need to.

Robusto

14:38

Oh. I see.

tchrist

And then there’s xpath.

commutes

KitFox

I use XPath. Thing is, @tchrist, you might not splat them together, but one of the helpful things that MS does for you, so you don't hurt yourself, is return Paths is different ways depending on how you ask for the information. So sometimes things have to be one way, and sometimes another.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox System.IO.Path.Combine()

KitFox

headdesk

I am not asking for help. Thank you.

Matt Эллен

oh. ok

KitFox

14:41

I was trying to decide if I should switch languages, just to try something new, but I decided not to.

Because that would take more time, and this guy hasn't even agreed to the project yet.

tchrist

@KitFox Not right. Not good.

KitFox

Well, it's MS. Comes with the territory.

Robusto

Out.

KitFox

14:58

Loud.

KitFox

15:10

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KitFox

15:47

sighs Of course the XML tools have all changed since howmanyever years ago.

Only... counts ...4 frameworks back.

Stack Exchange

18:18

Limerick Machine: Nothing quite like

posted on August 06, 2013 by sgdi

There’s nothing quite like a good laugh Or the sex escapades of giraffe When you see some poor guy Get covered in pie Or get winded so hard that you barf

Robusto

19:01

@KitFox I don't think anybody here needs convincing. But you never know.

KitFox

Humor me.

Robusto

Don't I always?

KitFox

Pretty much.

RegDwighт

20:26

-1

Q: Unsure if an apostrophe is needed before an 's' in a sentence

In the following sentence should there be an apostrophe before the s in "transfer"? I don't think so because it's not possesive but on the other hand the transfer should be singular so I'm not sure. Used for sending out e-mails each time an owner transfers an asset.

Please. This has been up for an hour and I have to be the one evil guy to bring the hammer down? You people hate me.

@KitFox so geeks have to wear glasses.

Oliver Salzburg

21:54

Is there a word for receiving back an investment you've made? Like when you put a bounty on a question and you've solved the problem yourself and now would want the reputation investment back?

Reimbursement?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

22:10

@KitFox was that wil wheaton?

RegDwighт

@OliverSalzburg refund.

Oliver Salzburg

@RegDwighт Ah, great! Thanks.

It drove me crazy :P

RegDwighт

It always does.

Joseph Weissman

22:56

"Remonstration" might even be appropriate possibly?

--Oh, I guess that's something else.

"Refund" is of course fine. There's some other re- term that has to do with repaying funds that I can't think of right now.

RegDwighт

Well, Oliver's very own reimbursement fits the bill.

It's just that nobody ever uses that. Like, ever.

But everyone goes around asking for a refund, 24/7.

And I'm not here, I'm supposed to be asleep. Toddles.

Amaan

Hello!

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 4 mins ago, by rlemon

Amaans' english is pretty good. I'd trust him to write my reports for me

I've never seen this before, but rlemon claims that s' can be used for possession (assuming the name is Amaan). Is that correct?

I've only ever used s' when using the apostrophe on a plural.

Never mind, found it.

Cerberus

23:44

@SomeGuy If the name is "Amaan", that is not correct, probably a typing mistake.

Hello, room!

KitFox

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Yes.

@JosephWeissman Are you thinking of reparations? Because that doesn't fit.

Robusto

@RegDwighт Hey, I was off enjoying myself, OK? If you don't want to be moderator anymore, put in your papers. (I don't think you've served long enough for the pension, though.)

KitFox

@RegDwighт splutter

And hi.

Robusto

@KitFox: OK, knock off this invisible shit right now.

KitFox

Boo!

Robusto

23:53

You're not a stealth mod. We can still see your name.

KitFox

I can fix that.

But I won't.

Robusto

Won't, or can't?

KitFox

Not telling.

Robusto

That is very telling.

KitFox

Want to drink with me?

Robusto

23:56

What are you drinking?

KitFox

And it's not about being stealth. It's about feeling like I don't exist, tyvm.

I was thinking Captain and coke.

I have some scotch if you like.

Robusto

What kind?

KitFox

The Balvenie Double Wood. It's a bit mellowed because I haven't been drinking it fast enough.

Robusto

That will be satisfactory.

BTW, it doesn't mellow in the bottle. So you can drink it as slow as you like.

KitFox

You say that, but I'm unconvinced.

I think this one must have a cracked cork or something.

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