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12:03 AM
Honestly, they wouldn't know.
@Mitch I mean, in the US it's illegal to travel outside the country to have sex with someone under 18, even if the age of consent in your state is lower than that. Presumably it's the same principle and enforced to the same (probably fairly minimal) extent.
@alphabet as bad as that might be, it seems weird to have laws about the behavior of a citizen away from home
12:27 AM
@Mitch Vegas is a shit hole. If you want to see the Grave Canyon, go south rim via Flagstaff and Page.
@XanderHenderson That's kind of a mischaracterization. It is a gaudy, meretricious, money-sucking machine.
Also, you seem to bee very urban-focused. The best parts of the country are in the West.
Yosemite, Tahoe, Shasta, the Rockies, Painted Desert, the many beaches of SoCal, etc.
@Robusto I lived in Reno for more than a decade. Vegas can suck it.
@XanderHenderson Reno is also a money-sucking machine. Just on a smaller scale.
@Robusto No, not so much any more.
When the tribes started building casinos in NorCal in the early 2000s, the gambling economy in Reno kind of tanked (no one vacations in Reno, so the only real traffic was coming from NorCal). Reno started doing a lot of development work around that time to build up the "outdoors recreation" economy.
I avoid Las Vegas as much as possible, which is easier now that my elder son no longer lives there. He met his wife (a physician) there, so I suppose it's not all bad.
12:35 AM
There is a great white water park downtown, really good access to a lot of hiking, a solid network of bike paths, etc.
The casinos are still there, but they aren't the dominant economic force that they were in the 80s and 90s.
And the weather in Reno is quite a bit better than Vegas. People shouldn't live in Vegas. It's too hot, and there's no water.
Also, the LDS has a lot less political power in Reno.
Come to Boston! You can...OK, there's pretty much nothing to do here and no good reason to visit. You can have a tour guide tell you about how we invented freedom or whatever, I guess.
You can join one of those tour groups that walk around the Harvard campus for no obvious reason.
1:16 AM
I visited Boston 20 years ago or so. I remember the JFK Library & Museum, I drove to Cape Cod from Boston too. I also stayed in New Hampshire and skied once in the mountains up there.
Last time I was in Boston was, like, 30 years ago. I was in Philly two or three years ago for a conference.
1:32 AM
Once riding in old Baltimore,
Heart-filled, head-filled with glee,
I saw a Baltimorean
Keep looking straight at me.
@alphabet Yes, I should try out a book
The Galena Evening Times, Kansas, January 18, 1900
The Sphere, London, January 5, 1925
1:47 AM
@jlliagre Cape Cod is the worst thing about Massachusetts. Very hard to get to, especially on holidays, and not really much there.
Cape Anne (sp?) is more pleasant.
The Tribune, Coshocton, Ohio, July 19, 1934
@CowperKettle Majestic. The undisputed king of every city.
@Robusto The Cape is great! I assume that, like every white gay guy in the area, I will at a certain age receive the letter informing me that I am to move to Provincetown immediately.
> I usually try to live-trap them … problem is if you get them in a trap and they look back at you, they look so sweet and innocent that I can’t do anything to them.
Only a true psychopath could jail an innocent raccoon, stare into its eyes, and decide to take away its home and family anyway.
2:07 AM
@alphabet Yeah, P-town. When I first moved to Boston back in the '80s we went out on the Cape in June and froze. We were staying in Wellfleet with a toddler and a baby, and one day we decided to see Provincetown (w/o knowledge of the environs). We tried to get seated in a restaurant there when I noticed that we were the only breeders there. So I asked if they were still serving breakfast (at noon). It gave everyone an easy out. We went back down the Cape and found food elsewhere.
@Robusto Why did you leave the restaurant? I've been in restaurants full of straight couples before, and it hasn't driven me away.
@Robusto lots and lots of cold water
@Robusto ahh June on the Cape...I've never been so cold.
2:23 AM
@alphabet Good for them.
@Robusto dude every visitor to Provincetown is honorary gay. Wife, kids, pets.
@Mitch Is that sarcasm? The temperatures are in the 60s, perfectly nice and much better than the heat you get in July-August.
@alphabet it was my honest feeling. Vacations at the beach for me as a child meant luke warm water, a sun burn, and avoiding jelly fish.
June on the Cape it's still raining like it's mid March.
60s? I don't get out of bed unless it's over 80.
I'm still wearing a jacket in the 60s.
I suppose the food is ok.
New Jersey beaches, while the water is only a little warmer, have good food and more entertainment.
@Mitch Huh. Granted, I tend to like colder temperatures; October is the one time of year when I actually enjoy the weather here.
November isn't bad either. An excuse to wear comfortable sweatshirts.
Yes Florida beaches' water is too warm.
2:34 AM
February I could do without, but (as I've mentioned before) it has the advantage of warding off Californians.
@alphabet Sure, fall is nice in New England. But the ocean water is never tolerable for me even by August.
I don't understand the storm of hysteria in the comments to this tweet twitter.com/lea_ypi/status/1780875319735411088
Breeder is a pejorative term coined by gay people particularly for parents who purportedly over-focus on their children and allegedly abandon their previous friends and lifestyle; or to women who give birth to many children, often with the derisive implication that they have too many offspring. The term is also used by antinatalists to pejoratively refer to anyone who has procreated, an act which they consider immoral. The use of "breeder" in this way is not new. It appears, for example, in Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal, widely acknowledged as the preeminent English satirical essay, in which...
@Mitch Ah. I like going to the beach, but I don't usually swim. I prefer walking around and trying to find weird looking rocks.
@CowperKettle I don't think anyone uses that term except as a joke.
@CowperKettle did they use the term 'breeder' anywhere in the Twitter comment thread? I didn't see it.
@Mitch I think he was referring to Robusto's comment, not to the Twitter thread.
2:42 AM
But that Spectator article was very strange. At first it sounded like an honest admission of intrusive thoughts, but then it keeps getting more lascivious. Seemed very inappropriate for a newspaper article
@CowperKettle That article is just incredibly gross. Yuck. Imagine being written about that way.
@alphabet oh
@alphabet Why then read it? Everybody can write and publish. Just don't read
@CowperKettle do Russian newspapers have opinion/culture articles like that?
@Mitch I have no idea.
I just read the bits she posted
2:44 AM
@Mitch And why did he name the girl in question? That was weird and entirely unnecessary. I don't think anybody would write about a guy that way.
A man has libido. He describes his sexual feelings. OMG, it's so gross. Jail the bastard.
@CowperKettle it named the person of interest directly. That seems a little strange in a public newspaper.
@Mitch Did he describe sexual fantasies with her participation in gory detail? No. He just reflected on his own libido.
I certainly believe that he is chained to a lunatic. I think he's projecting.
Freedom of speech.
2:46 AM
@CowperKettle I can see that there might be a place for that honesty, but then to continue with his experience at a massage parlor is very tasteless
@CowperKettle Again, imagine being the woman he wrote about and finding that article. It would, I think, be incredibly hurtful to learn that your colleagues cared only about leering at you and completely ignored your intellectual contributions.
So.. that's why I would not read it, and zero problems. Let all women who want publish such stuff about me - I just won't read it.
@CowperKettle freedom for people to be disgusted by what this guy does
@Mitch They are calling for such articles to be banned. This is hysteria and censorship.
If you're a man and you can't listen to a woman's political and intellectual contributions because you're so distracted by her blond hair, that is absolutely a problem that you need to work on.
2:47 AM
Maybe he should consider trying to control his libido rather than expose it to everyone.
I hate the "cancel culture"
@alphabet Really?
Evolution spent millions of years exactly to force men to think about sex more
@CowperKettle banned seems a weird reaction. Canceling subscriptions because of editorial decisions would be more appropriate.
@CowperKettle Um, yeah. Obviously. That seems incredibly weird to me.
The brain is too complex, and 99.99999% is not under conscious control.
That kind of attitude is one of the many reasons why women's ideas aren't taken seriously in academia and the workplace, for pretty obvious reasons.
2:50 AM
@CowperKettle a couple thousand years of civilization has taught us that managing desires more rationally leads to better outcomes.
@CowperKettle What's your stance on murder?
@Mitch Negative
Look, he can feel the way he feels, but he needs to recognize that it's a serious problem for him, that it harms both him and the women he works with, and that he needs to find a way to work on it so that he can, you know, listen to women with blond hair.
@CowperKettle but we all have urges and ...
I feel strong emotions and can't control it. When I describe this in a psychiatry chat, everybody is "you 100% need a psychoterapist, here's a list of nice ones, and they will only charge 10-15% of your monthly earnings per hour". Thanks but no thanks.
I'm not saying the Spectator shouldn't have published it. I'm saying he should have described it as a problem with himself, not something "normal" shared by all men.
2:55 AM
"So this guy cut me off in traffic, and instead of smashing his face into the concrete I went to my usual boxing gym and smashed in the faces of my friends with some protective padding" Sure people feel that way but in a national newspaper? Write it on your blog
@alphabet I think it was too salacious for a newspaper.
@CowperKettle Here's the thing. You recognize that you have a problem. That guy in The Spectator doesn't.
I don't know the Spectator, maybe if they have a page 3 girl, the article would be on target for their readers.
@Mitch I think he could have written about the story in the first paragraph, but in a reflective way, understanding the dangers of his attitude. And he absolutely should not have named the researcher in question, who will have her name attached to this story forever.
Imagine being a woman knowing that any of your advisors or mentors or coworkers could be seeing you this way, instead of hearing out your ideas the way they would with a man.
@alphabet It wasn't like that. Here we were, with a baby in a carrier and a toddler, my wife and I burdened down with kid paraphernalia, and here they all were, in a restaurant full of buff, soigné men, and we just felt like intruders on that world. Which I'd never felt before around gay men, but there you are.
We just felt like intruders on that vibe, if you know what I'm talking about.
@CowperKettle what's the link for the full article? I can't figure out a way to get past the paywall
3:10 AM
@Robusto Having children and a wife in the presence of gay men! And buff ones, to boot! The horror! The 80's were a different time; I'm not faulting your behavior then, but I'd hope that now you, and your family, could feel comfortable in a space populated by gay people.
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4:12 AM
@alphabet I always have felt comfortable around gays, and enjoy their company. But this was different. I felt like we were intruding, with a potentially crying baby and an active, intrusive 4-year-old.
It wasn't about them, it was about us.
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6:49 AM
Sylvain Tesson (born 26 April 1972) is a French writer and traveller born in Paris. He has engaged in a number of unusual travels and expeditions which are the basis for his books. Among his most successful works are The Consolations of the Forest (2011), about a project to live alone in a Siberian cabin for six months and The Art of Patience (2019), about the quest for snow leopards in Tibet. For the latter book, he received the Prix Renaudot. == Early life == Sylvain Tesson is the son of Marie-Claude Tesson and the journalist Philippe Tesson who founded the French newspaper Le Quotidien de Paris...
> Among his most successful works are The Consolations of the Forest (2011), about a project to live alone in a Siberian cabin for six months
> In his own words, "the recipe for happiness: a window on Baikal, a table by the window".
> He describes a “double penance” that can occur and quotes Rosseau: “The civil man desires the approval of others, the solitary man must of necessity be content with himself, or his life is unbearable. And so, the latter is forced to be virtuous.” real-psychiatry.blogspot.com/2024/04/…
7:08 AM
This paper describes experiments showing that some tasks in natural language processing (NLP) can already be performed using quantum computers, though so far only with small datasets. link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10472-024-09940-y
To me, all this quantum computing feels like fusion energy - something that has been developed since before I was born and will be in development long after I am dead
And similarly incomprehensible to me.
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9:16 AM
This is the first time I've ever listened to J Timberlake
He has been a person of memes to me before.
9:38 AM
A guy wrote the lyrics, and generated the song using an AI engine
9:52 AM
@Robusto That's not my experience. No problem to get there but that was on a weekday, possibly in February or March. It was a one day trip. I liked the landscape, Provincetown, the lighthouse and the beaches. It was a sunny day but I never planned or even thought about entering the water. Cape Cod is not the Bahamas ;-)
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12:32 PM
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1:00 PM
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I saw a clue in 2, figured there were two possible places on opposite sides of the Earth, and then discovered that neither was correct. No idea how I was supposed to know that one. :/
@jlliagre Yeah, the Cape is dead in the winter.
youtube.com/watch?v=o0droOZj5sQ#t=1m40s Indian jackets are sewn _____. (what is the word that he is using here?)
@MichaelRybkin "Indian jackets are sewn, see?"
Look here, see, the jackets are sewn.
1) On the face of it, the title sounds ridiculous - putting two hot hyped-up topics randomly together.
2) reading the abstract, it actually seems like for once a plausible use of quantum computing to an actual relevant implementation of one very particular NLP task.
a) one useful task in NLP (which is useful for many downstream applications) is word embedding - assigning a vector to a word such that nearby vectors are assigned to words with nearby semantics. e.g. the vectors for 'cat' and 'dog' are closer to each other than either is to 'house'. A vector is an arrow from the origin to a point in n-dimensional space. It's much easier to just think in terms of arrows in 2 dimensions.
b) quantum computing is mostly about a different way of bit manipulation. In classical computing you just operate on one bit at a time, 1 and 1 = 1, 0 and 1 = 0, etc. You can take a byte (a string of 8 bits) and do 8 bit-wise operations in parallel/in one step. Note that a byte is essentially a vector (of bits) in 8 dimensional space where each coordinate is only 0 or 1.
1:21 PM
@Mitch I don't like to think about it like that. In fact, I don't like to think about it at all.
Wordle 1,035 3/6

In quantum computing, you encode a byte (a set of bits) as a vector where each coordinate can be from 0 to 1 (like a probability). The physics of using quantum states on actual physical particles allows computing vector ops by measuring the quantum interaction of some particles (I realize that that is vague - it is my superficial level of understanding).
But the point is that word vectors have some similarity to a quantum bit (a probabilistic vector) and so maybe the paper shows how to do word vector operations using quantum bits.
So... now you have all the tools at hand to design your warp drive system for FTL travel. The only thing holding you back now is ... check notes ... constructing an infinitely long spinning cylinder.
Oops.. the cylinder thing is for time travel. Sorry.
@Robusto Gotcha. Thank you very much.
Anyway, all the really substantial and meaningful gains in quantum computing you've heard about lately have been about expand the number of quantum bits that are physically implementable (I think they're up to a thousand bits?). But you need a lot of machinery around it (cooling, controlling for electromagnetic interference, etc (etc = stuff I don't know about)) and all that you get out of it is the ability to operate on one large byte.
Traditional IC/silicon/transistor/NAND gate computers mangage lots of smaller bytes in a very small amount of space.
In the near future, quantum computers will only be able to do very specialized calculations (not general purpose computing) and they still need to do a lot of engineering around it to get the info in and out of a quantum bit.
@XanderHenderson This kind of cars was only common in a relatively limited part of the Earth, wasn't it?
@CowperKettle What the shit, Portugal?
1:38 PM
Is it correct English to say "This place is awful! What a hell on earth!"?
@jlliagre Really? I think they were pretty common across North America, at the very least.
(Which lead me to my wrong guess, as opposed to the other wrong guess at the opposite end of the earth).
youtube.com/watch?v=o0droOZj5sQ#t=9m48s OUT THAT they are buying crushed plastic. Here they make plastic. (out that - is that what he is saying?)
@MichaelRybkin The voiceover on that video is well into the uncanny valley.
I would much prefer subtitles to that terrible AI dubbing.
@Mitch That helps.
2:07 PM
@XanderHenderson That was my point. I don't see any other place than North America for that picture and the flag on the right wall also strongly suggests the country.
2:21 PM
@jlliagre There's a flag in 2?
@Mitch clowder
I don't see a flag. :/
2:44 PM
@Robusto If you mean "not crowded" by dead, yes but the nature was (even more) enjoyable.
@XanderHenderson You need to pan to the right.
@jlliagre So it turns out that no matter how much I pan to the right, I cannot see the flag (even after zooming in). What does work is adjusting the size of the browser window.
That being said, the US flag would not have made that much difference. The US is a big place.
@XanderHenderson Even after clicking on the "full screen" button?
Hey, what's that word for a saltwater beach again? I keep forgetting it.
@XanderHenderson The balconies lead me to guess the place.
I just read they are also called 'galleries' there.
3:29 PM
@jlliagre I'd never noticed that button before.
3:42 PM
@XanderHenderson Yes, the UI would be improved if its components support tooltips.
4:14 PM
Wordle 1,035 4/6

Daily Octordle #816
Score: 70
4:34 PM
Daily Sequence Octordle #816
Score: 76
4:45 PM
@XanderHenderson There is also a giant spider floating in the air :-)
or just fabric pilling, maybe.
5:08 PM
"CHRISTIAN. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book, admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor." ---Ambrose Bierce
Maybe some sort of halo-something beach?
Wordle 1,035 3/6

> He was the tenth of thirteen children, all of whom were given names by their father beginning with the letter "A": in order of birth, the Bierce siblings were Abigail, Amelia, Ann, Addison, Aurelius, Augustus, Almeda, Andrew, Albert, Ambrose, Arthur, Adelia, and Aurelia.
5:26 PM
Not palustrine beach, lacustrine beach, riparine beach, estuarine beach, or colline beach.
Not alluvial beach, andromonous beach, anhydrous beach, anomalous beach, or exsiccant beach.
Oh, just halatinous beach for the oceanine kind frequented by salty mariners both sub- and super-.
Don't go to the saltine beach, though, they're full of crackers.
@XanderHenderson So then which one is your favorite beach: the one at Great Sand Dunes National Park, the one at White Sands National Park, or the ever-bllnding playa of the Black Rock Desert?
For not every beach is a littoral beach, doncha know.
Figuratively beaching.
Beech (Fagus) is a genus of deciduous trees in the family Fagaceae, native to temperate Eurasia and North America. There are 13 accepted species in two distinct subgenera, Engleriana and Fagus. The subgenus Engleriana is found only in East Asia, distinctive for its low branches, often made up of several major trunks with yellowish bark. The better known Fagus subgenus beeches are native to Europe and North America. They are high-branching trees with tall, stout trunks and smooth silver-grey bark. The European beech Fagus sylvatica is the most commonly cultivated species, yielding a utility timber...
> Old English– The land bordering a sea, lake, or †river; in a more restricted sense, that part of a shore which lies between the tide-marks; sometimes used vaguely for coast, shore. Cf. sea-strand n. Now poetic, archaic or dialect.
It's a brand-new word from the late sixteenth and we don't even know where it came from.
> Origin unknown: apparently at first a dialect
word, meaning, as it still does in Sussex, Kent,
and the adjacent counties, the shingle or pebbles
worn by the waves. Thence the transference of the
term to the place covered by ‘beach,’ was easy
for those who heard such phrases as ‘to lie’ or
‘walk on the beach,’ without knowing the exact
significance. The French grève shows precisely
the same transference. The spelling shows that the
pronunciation in 16–18th cent. was /beːtʃ/ . If
Old English, the type would be *bǽce. A derivation <
It initially meant only "The loose water-worn pebbles of the seashore; shingle."
And that's an odd shingle but no matter.
> 1721
The Drift or Rolling of the Beach or Shingle along the Shore.
J. Perry, Account of Stopping of Daggenham Breach 116
Then it meant "1673–93 † A ridge or bank of stones or shingle. Obsolete."
They can take their shingles in the ringle, fank you thery much.
Only in the 17th century did it start to mean something closer to the modern use.
> 1600– The shore of the sea, on which the waves break, the strand; spec. the part of the shore lying between high- and low-water-mark. Also applied to the shore of a lake or large river. In Geology an ancient sea-margin.
And even that is no longer dominant, at least to the less insular among us.
Instead in America where it has lost its strangely saline association of old, it now simply means "a shore of a body of water covered by sand, gravel, or larger rock fragments".
The British, insular as ever, of course have no understanding of our modern use of that word. They have no lakes to speak of.
Nor great sand dunes. :)
6:22 PM
Daniel Dennett has died. I'm very sorry. I only recently came to like him, and haven't really read any of his works, just listened to his talks on YouTube.
Essay “Where am I?”, by Daniel Dennett lehigh.edu/~mhb0/Dennett-WhereAmI.pdf
6:46 PM
@tchrist Coral Pink Sand Dunes. It also has the advantage of being a feasible day trip from my house.
@tchrist Also, the only named, settled place in Nevada that I have never been to is Gerlach. I've been to Jackpot. I've been to Jarbidge. I've been to Ruth. I've been to Caliente. But I never made it to Gerlach nor the Black Rock Desert.
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8:44 PM
Blossom Puzzle, April 19
Letters: E G H I N S T
My score: 24 points
My longest word: 4 letters
🌼 🌹 🌸 🌻
9:03 PM
@jlliagre Cheater!
@jlliagre he didn't have the grace to alphabetize the second character
@XanderHenderson thanks for sharing those interesting facts
@user85795 But Des Moines is pronounced correctly.
@CowperKettle since it would be inappropriate to wish him to rest in peace, instead I'll wish that his influence on the world will live on forever
which it will, so it's an easy wish
@Robusto Blossom refused shit. What a shame!
9:12 PM
@XanderHenderson right, btw how was the conference?
@jlliagre I, too, refuse shit when it's offered.
@user85795 It was good.
@XanderHenderson Maybe. Sometimes.
(from the conference)
9:19 PM
@XanderHenderson By whom?
@jlliagre The usual pronunciation in the US is "Dee Moin" (rhymes with Thee Coin). I suspect that's not how you would pronounce it, but I could be wrong.
@Robusto French would be /de mwan/.
@jlliagre That's what I would have thought.
Of course, there can be more than one correct pronunciation, especially in different languages (or dialects). A correct pronunciation is one that doesn't surprise the person who hear it.
@Robusto it's less like "dee MOYN" and more like "deh MOYN"
(schwa in the first syllable)
9:29 PM
@MetaEd Maybe. If you're not fussy.
> Forgive me for not being a physics student, but I got an idea. If rotation involves acceleration, and if general relativity concerns the acceleration, would that mean we can detect graviton from an object (say, an atom) that rotates really fast?
> Just because GR can have something to do with acceleration, that does not mean acceleration produces gravitons; electromagnetism "concerns" electric and magnetic fields but you won't detect photons from just any electric or magnetic field.
The h Bar really gives boozes, huh?
> Based on archaeological evidence, the junction of the Des Moines and Raccoon Rivers has attracted humans for at least 7,000 years.
Monks and raccoons attract humans.
9:45 PM
Daily Octordle #816
Score: 65
Daily Sequence Octordle #816
Score: 68
10:06 PM
@MetaEd this.
10:35 PM
@DannyuNDos yup

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