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12:07 AM
@alphabet That document also seems to show that the numbers are largely the same if you replace "Israel" with "Ukraine". Not identical, but similar.
12:19 AM
@XanderHenderson Not in that demographic; see questions 19-20. Among respondents age 18-34, 68% oppose further aid to Israel, but only 49% oppose further aid to Ukraine.
12:33 AM
@alphabet I wasn't speaking specifically of that demographic. I was looking at the data on the whole. That is one place where the difference is pretty significant. But otherwise, the survey seems to say "Americans are opposed to foreign military aid in general" more than just "Americans are opposed to aiding Israel". The one statistic that you chose to highlight feels a lot like cherry picking.
@XanderHenderson My reason for highlighting that statistic is purely that it gives me some level of hope for the future and optimism about my own generation.
@alphabet "From the river to the sea," eh?
@XanderHenderson Depends on what you mean by that, of course.
@alphabet It disturbs me that you can't just say "No, that isn't what I believe." How hard is it repudiate a genocidal slogan?
@XanderHenderson I will gladly repudiate anyone who uses it as an endorsement of genocide.
1:37 AM
The Deceived Blind Men: a heartwarming story about how raccoons can use theft and gaslighting to teach humans to love one another.
@XanderHenderson dude... Be cool
be calm
Did you know that, in seven Native American languages, the word for "raccoon" is derived from the word for "magic"?
> they've always been seen as transformers — creatures who lived between planes of existence between the above world, the middle world and the lower world because they connected with the waters and the sky through the trees.
We connect the waters and the heavens, the abandoned attics and the dumpsters.
1:45 AM
@jlliagre NYC is unlike any place in the US
@alphabet They connect trash food and their stomachs
@alphabet I came across a video of a racoon who is playing with a farm machine twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1780111397323456649
@jlliagre secure? Were you afraid of say pickpockets or scams before?
@user85795 I don't know
I only read "political" news once a week, to spare my brain
1:51 AM
Wise choice
@CowperKettle oh right, I wasn't thinking of that...I suppose there are some here...
@Mitch Don't they have the National Guard patrolling the subway now, since Kathy Hochul wants to look tough?
@Mitch Yes, it was and still is.
2:08 AM
@jlliagre my point was that it is not particularly representative of the US.
Only the rich parts.
But I suppose it is still pretty American
@user85795 the poorer parts of NYC...I don't know if they're like other poor parts of the US
Or the rich parts
The embodiment of the American dream come true, look ma if I can make it here I can make it anywhere!
We used to sing that driving down the highway towards NYC
Good times
2:11 AM
We sang that driving into Chicago
Wasn't that set in Chicago?
Also frankly I can't remember the tune to that sitcom except that it ended with 'good time's
But I know the bass line and the guitar chords to the song by Chic
Which was sampled by GMFFF
How's that for an acronym @Cerberus?
If I can make it there, I can make it anywhere. Frank Sinatra sang these lyrics in what has become New York City's unofficial anthem. Residents of New York subscribe to the idea that if they work hard enough, are ingenious and ruthless enough, they, too, will be “king of the hill, top of the heap”.
@user85795 I think any current resident would quickly change sides of the street if they heard someone saying that.
@Mitch I'm dead!
2:17 AM
@Cerberus OTAS
(for those who don't know, that's an acronym I just made up)
Oh That's A Shame
@Cerberus wb from the dead
@Mitch Sinatra was a thug anyway
Who let the dogs out?!?!
I'm not out.
> if they work hard enough, are ingenious and ruthless enough, they, too, will be “king of the hill, top of the heap”.
2:49 AM
@Cerberus why haven't the dogs been let out?
It took me quite a while to figure out that IYKYK meant If You Know You Know.
I'm sure I could have looked it up.but that would have been too easy
I like a challenge
Which is also a pretty inarticulate thing to say
I suppose there are interpretations that are sufficiently profound, sort of like 'I am what I am'
But if you come back to it next week having forgotten all that philosophizing it just sounds empty.
@Mitch Time spent by all readers of a text = time saved by the author.
Time you could have spent doing other things than pondering abbreviations.
@Mitch @user85795 I'm playing that song in my head right now.
@Cerberus think of it as puzzle solving
Most of reading is puzzle solving anyway
It is not a fun puzzle.
"What does the writer -really- mean by that?"
@Cerberus reading would be boring if the writer always said exactly what was meant.
Also an insult to intelligence.
How dare they treat me like a child
There are interesting puzzles and uninteresting ones.
2:58 AM
Telling me exactly what they mean
What s the fun in that?
@Cerberus Sudoku really hurts my eyes.
Then don't play it.
Uhh, I wanna eat at KFC today. But there isn't much time.
Word find puzzles... Also uninteresting.
@Cerberus thanks for the advice. I've already stopped playing it.
In fact
1.37 USD per a chicken piece this month.
I barely started
3:01 AM
We gotta invent new words somehow.
@alphabet just ask your neighborhood crossword puzzle writer
Half those words are made up because they could figure out a real word to fit
KFC? Ok I'll bite.
That's not funny because chicken don't have teeth.
How lazy of people to use the acronym DJ when they could just write out deejay. /s
There isn't much time. Should I call the Shurcle, or should I drive my dad's car?
I wonder what percent of people today don't know what DJ originally stood for. I suspect a fair number would tell you that it's "short for deejay."
Nevermind. Both his cars are in another city.
And my dad wisely says, "Rushing while driving results in an accident."
3:09 AM
@DannyuNDos Shurcle???
@Laurel Officially "Shucle"; an intermediacy between a taxi and a bus. shucle.com
Portmanteau of "shuttle" and "circle", presumably.
3:58 AM
Question: do the words "orange-red" and "red-orange" refer to the same color, or to two different colors?
I would say they mean the same thing--a color between orange and red--but apparently some people think "orange-red" is more red-like, whereas "red-orange" is more orange-like.
I'd ask this on ELU but I know that this is impossible to settle objectively.
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7:59 AM
I think this is my best octordle score:
Daily Octordle #814
Score: 60
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12:24 PM
12:37 PM
#WhenTaken #50 (17.04.2024)

I scored 903/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 524 km - 🗓️ 8 yrs - ⚡ 173 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 1 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 592 km - 🗓️ 7 yrs - ⚡ 173 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 787 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 172 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 465 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 185 / 200

There is a good clue for 5 down at the bottom. Didn't manage to get within 500 km for most of them, today. Lots of guessing on the geography. In retrospect, I could have done better on 3, both in terms of time and geography.
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1:54 PM
@alphabet I think the exact opposite. I think most people would think they are different and that orange-red is more orange than red, and red-orange is more red than orange.
Also I feel like there are Crayola crayon color for both and they are different, but that's in some sense meaningless because it's just some rando wax engineer making up names for stuff. He's no OED (it's always a dude) and even OED I'd doubt.
Or I could be wrong.
I've had more than one conversation lately where a lot was said substantively but at the end no one knows anything more than at the beginning.
I'm sure there's a very particular type of brain lesion or cognitive deficit that is associated with this. Like the exact opposite of aphasia, there's a very very definite word being used for something and you know it and can say it and recognize it but it doesn't really mean anything.
I don't know what the word for that is.
Probably semantic satiation or heat death or entropic cliff.
Since the introduction of Crayola drawing crayons by Binney & Smith in 1903, more than 200 colors have been produced in a wide variety of assortments. The table below represents all of the colors found in regular Crayola assortments from 1903 to the present. Since the introduction of fluorescent crayons in the 1970s, the standard colors have been complemented by a number of specialty crayon assortments, represented in subsequent tables. == Standard colors == == Specialty crayons == Along with the regular packs of crayons, there have been many specialty sets, including Silver Swirls, Gem Tones,...
which has both red-orange and orange-red
The RGB stated is used verbatim as the HTML bg color shown in the first column.
Red-orange looks more orange and orange-red looks more red as @alphabet stated and I contradicted.
I'm upset now because there's no crayon that is #FF0000 pure 'screen' red.
It's probably because I have crayon now all over my laptop screen from trying to compare.
3:19 PM
@Mitch In general, I would not really think that there is a distinction between "red-orange" and "orange-red". Absent prompting, I would assume that either term refers to a color between red and orange. If someone told me that there was a difference, I would assume that "red-orange" is more orange, and "orange-red" is more red. The idea being that the first color modifies the second color.
That is, "red-orange" is an orange color, but which has a bit of red in it, while "orange-red" is a red color with some orange in it.
3:36 PM
@XanderHenderson Yeah I think that is the natural way to understand it in English where the first word is a noun attribute modifying the second. But there is also some natural confusion because of the colors are so similar (even though the modifying order in English is fairly strong).
4:09 PM
"Life, like beer, is merely borrowed." ---Don Reed
4:24 PM
@XanderHenderson Agreed.
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5:27 PM
@Mitch This came up because I was reading H&P and they discuss a difference between "coordinative" compound adjectives (e.g. bittersweet = both bitter and sweet) and "subordinative" ones (e.g. "red-hot," "hot in a way that is red"). They claim "red-orange" is subordinative because it means "a slightly redder shade of orange," but I'm skeptical.
It seems like there's a fairly wide range of intuitions, though, on whether the two adjectives in "red-orange" have equal status.
There also seem to be some constraints on how productive this process is, e.g. "black-orange" can't mean "dark orange." Compounds like "pink-orange" or "navy-purple" seem marginal.
@alphabet agreed
@alphabet sky blue-pink
But "scarlet-orange" sounds OK, at least to me. Hrm.
I think it's rare to even make much distinctions between colors. For example, we have cyan, aquamarine, navy, etc…but in everyday life I feel it's pretty rare to use any of these more specific words over "blue". If I did need specificity, I think I'd be more likely to say "the lightest blue we have" or something like that
@Laurel Take a look at this survey.
Here are the color names most disproportionately popular among women:

Dusty Teal
Blush Pink
Dusty Lavender
Butter Yellow
Dusky Rose
Here are the color names most disproportionately popular among men:

> I … that’s not my typo in #5—the only actual color in the list really is a misspelling of “beige”.
5:45 PM
@alphabet Ah yeah, I remember reading this way back
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6:51 PM
#WhenTaken #50 (17.04.2024)

I scored 707/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 1104 km - 🗓️ 8 yrs - ⚡ 157 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 3 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 423 km - 🗓️ 13 yrs - ⚡ 163 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 6142 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 114 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 16904 km - 🗓️ 14 yrs - ⚡ 73 / 200

Tandem inter pares
@Mitch Nothing very specific, that was more a subjective feeling.
7:20 PM
@jlliagre Manhattan has way fewer streetside cafes than Paris.
Wordle 1,033 3/6

Wordle 1,033 6/6

Daily Octordle #814
Score: 52
Daily Sequence Octordle #814
Score: 66
Pretty easy day of it.
7:44 PM
@Robusto Among similarities, both Parisians and Manhattanites frequently use public transportation.
So what all did you see? MOMA? The Metropolitan Museum? Any of a billion other things?
Daily Octordle #814
Score: 59
@Robusto The Eiffel Tower, the Arc de Triomphe, the Louvre, Notre-Dame, the Sacré-Cœur, the Champs-Elysées ;-)
8:02 PM
@jlliagre Nothing in NYC? |:-{D
8:18 PM
@Robusto MOMA, Central Park, 9/11 Memorial & Museum, Time Square, Museum of Natural History, Empire State Building, Staten Island Ferry, Coney Island, Subway trains, Buses, a Cab, Grand Central, many fast foods, Ellen's Stardust Diner and other things I forgot. Oh, and of course, the Trump Tower ;-)
@jlliagre Of course.
@Robusto The climax of our stay!
Mais oui.
Hey, how do you guys spell oui when you pronounce it wuh?
8:37 PM
@Robusto Ouais ?
8:51 PM
Daily Sequence Octordle #814
Score: 60
@jlliagre Interesting.
French doesn't seem to have many words starting with W; interesting.
@DannyuNDos W didn't "officially" belong to the French alphabet before the mid 20th century.
@jlliagre Is that letter reserved for foreign loan words now?
@Robusto Yes, like wagon, wallon or weekend.
9:04 PM
So you guys didn't used to have weekends? ;-)
@jlliagre Got it. I have no personal memory of this, but Times Square used to be very sordid (in the 70s/80s?) with peep shows and drug dealers out in the open. But now it is very family friendly where the worst that can happen is a quiet spat between two Elmos over which corner they can stand on.
@jlliagre How do you spell the English 'wow' in French?
@Mitch Oh, speaking about Elmo, we also visited the Museum of the Moving Image.
I'm eating Doritos as breakfast. Dang.
*Sigh* I should've bought cereal.
@jlliagre I don't get it. Elmo is real. Not some cartoon or film character.
@DannyuNDos From the few Korean products I've seen, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a Korean breakfast cereal that is Doritos flavored.
@Mitch Funny you asked. In my flight back to France this morning, I watched a movie with that name.
Wahou ! est un film français réalisé par Bruno Podalydès et sorti en 2023. == Synopsis == Oracio, nouveau venu dans le monde de l'immobilier, accompagné de son stagiaire Jim, et sa collègue Catherine, récemment veuve avec des difficultés à s'en remettre, sont tous les deux des agents immobiliers des Yvelines qui ne souhaitent qu'une seule chose : provoquer l'effet « Wahou ! » chez leurs clients. Pour ce faire, ils ont deux logements à proposer. Le premier est une grande maison bourgeoise du XIXe siècle à Louveciennes, avec du cachet mais des travaux de rénovation et encore occupée par ses...
Elmo Monster is a red Muppet character on the children's television show Sesame Street. A furry red monster who speaks in a high-pitched falsetto voice and frequently refers to himself in the third person, he hosts the last full five-minute segment (fifteen minutes prior to 2017) on Sesame Street, "Elmo's World", which is aimed at toddlers. He was most often puppeteered by Kevin Clash, but since Clash's resignation in late 2012, Elmo has been puppeteered by Ryan Dillon. == History == Elmo is self-described as three-and-a-half years old and his birthday is on February 3. Elmo characteristically...
9:13 PM
@Mitch Oh, somehow that sounds plausible. Though, there is no such product yet.
1) is pronounced very differently (in English) from 'wow'
2) means something entirely different
Wahoo (Acanthocybium solandri) is a scombrid fish found worldwide in tropical and subtropical seas. It is best known to sports fishermen, as its speed and high-quality flesh makes it a prized and valued game fish. == Description == Its body is elongated and the back is an iridescent blue, while the sides are silvery with a pattern of irregular vertical blue bars. These colors fade rapidly at death. The mouth is large, and the teeth of the wahoo are razor sharp. Both the upper and lower jaws have a somewhat sharper appearance than those of king or Spanish mackerel. Specimens have been recorded at...
@DannyuNDos For my contribution of the idea, all I ask is a 1% stake in your multibillion dollar conglomerate of savory breakfast foods.
You should get working on that.
@Mitch Wahoo! Fish Tacos! My son in LA lives close to one. We get lunch there sometimes, and they're not bad.
@jlliagre That's just a guy in a suit on TV. Not the real one on Times Square. Be warned though there are a lot of fakes on Times Square too.
@Mitch Nah, I'll just hope we'll import Trix someday.
@Mitch Wahou might be written Ouahou or Waouh too.
9:18 PM
@Robusto I've heard there's some food fad in France about fish tacos. Have you heard of that @jlliagre?
@DannyuNDos We can make that happen.
Unless Amazon does it already.
@jlliagre IPA? /wa u/?
wahoo in English is /wa huw/
could you write 'waou' in French to get the same as 'wahou'?
But also...
Wahoos, often shortened to 'Hoos, is a nickname for sports teams of the University of Virginia (officially the Cavaliers), and more generally, a nickname for University students and alumni. == Origins == The nickname is a back-formation from the school's yell, "wa-hoo-wa." Official University of Virginia sports documents explain that Washington and Lee baseball fans first called University of Virginia players "a bunch of rowdy Wahoos," and used the "Wahoowa" yell as a form of derision during the in-state baseball rivalry in the 1890s, presumably after hearing them yell or sing "wa-hoo-wa." The...
That said, I just cannot agree to that Trix is for kids. All cereal is for everyone, and fruit-flavored cereal sounds awesome.
which, if it is not immediately apparent, is not too far from...
Yahoos are legendary human beings in the 1726 satirical novel Gulliver's Travels written by Jonathan Swift. Their behaviour and character representation is meant to comment on the state of Europe from Swift's point of view. The word "yahoo" was coined by Jonathan Swift in the fourth section of Gulliver's Travels and has since entered the English language more broadly. Swift describes Yahoos as filthy with unpleasant habits, "a brute in human form," resembling human beings far too closely for the liking of protagonist Lemuel Gulliver. He finds the calm and rational society of intelligent horses...
@Mitch There is something called tacos in France that has almost nothing to do with what is called tacos elsewhere.
A French tacos (US: , UK: ; French: tacos français, [takos fʁɑ̃sɛ], or commonly tacos) or matelas (French for "mattress") is a fast food dish which usually consists of a flour tortilla grilled and folded around a filling of French fries, cheese, and meat, among other deli ingredients. == Description == Despite the name, the French tacos has little to do with the taco and is more similar to a burrito or quesadilla. French tacos have also been compared to the panini and the döner kebab sandwich, and is similar to the California burrito. The tacos consists of a flour tortilla wrapped or folded in...
@DannyuNDos Once the kids are asleep, the parents finish off the box.
@jlliagre 'more similar'? tsk tsk
@Mitch /wa u/ or /waw/.
@Mitch Yes.
@Mitch Closer?
9:30 PM
@jlliagre Yes, that is preferable.
There are instances where 'more similar' is appropriate, but here it is just weird.
That said, I should plan a trip to France specifically to have one of these French Tacos.
I don't care what it is like, it sounds awesome all by itself.
Navajo tacos are superior to all other tacos. :)
Oh...of course... I learned about French tacos in the New Yorker @Robusto.
@XanderHenderson Is there anything particular about them that makes them so good?
@Mitch It's a grammatical wonder too because its singular is tacos just like its plural.
IIRC, for strange reasons, I've never eaten any "proper" Mexican food.
I've been to Taco Bell, but accordingly that's not proper.
I thoroughly wonder what chili con carne tastes like.
@Mitch yeah. Everything. :)
@DannyuNDos chili con carne isn't really Mexican. It is TexMex.
9:46 PM
Aw right.
The best Navajo tacos feature mutton and beans on fry bread. So. Good.
@XanderHenderson Sounds good. books flight on travelocity
wait... can you get it though Amazon?
Looks like sort of:
that's what came up with 'navajo taco'
I'm impressed by Amazon search... it's getting more semantic.
when I say 'impressed' it doesn't have far to go. most searches never give me what I said.
10:02 PM
@Mitch Fri bread is really just flour, water, and lard. All ingredients should be the cheapest possible. Remember that fry bread was created to use the shitty food the government was willing to give the tribes.
Ideally, you want to use Blue Bird flour.
10:52 PM
Frybread (also spelled fry bread) is a dish of the indigenous people of North America that is a flat dough bread, fried or deep-fried in oil, shortening, or lard. Made with simple ingredients, generally wheat flour, water, salt, and sometimes baking powder, frybread can be eaten alone or with various toppings such as honey, jam, powdered sugar, venison, or beef. It is the base for Indian tacos. Frybread has a complex cultural history that is inextricably intertwined with colonialism and displacement of Native Americans. The ingredients for frybread were provided to Native Americans to prevent...
11:03 PM
The Early Basketmaker II Era (1500 BCE – 50 CE) was the first Post-Archaic cultural period of Ancient Pueblo People. The era began with the cultivation of maize in the northern American southwest, although there was not a dependence upon agriculture until about 500 BCE. It is preceded by the Archaic-Early Basketmaker Era, and is followed by the Late Basketmaker II Era. == Basketmaker origin == The population of the Basketmaker people is likely not tied to one particular group of people, but reflective of the migration of agricultural people from the south and adoption of agriculture by lo...
How'd you get into early puebloan people?
I was reading about frybread and clicking links and..
A bunch of guys have found out how the bacterial motor changes direction nature.com/articles/s41564-024-01674-1

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