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@jlliagre I don't see a Connection ...
@Robusto Neither do I :-/
But you were doing so well! Don't you think you need a bit of comeuppance?
Working on it.
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@jlliagre Yay!
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The purple, I would have never guess.
That's usually how it goes.
@Robusto Tightrope is less US centric today. No "which US president is playing baseball on a $3 banknote" that time.
@jlliagre Less, perhaps, but still a great deal.
00:53
@alphabet atap is also a verb, as in “tap a keg.” But the point of tap water is to let a waiter know that you don’t want “mineral” water or “sparkling” water, or Perrier or whatever, which come out of a bottle and therefore incur an extra charge.
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Q: Is this sentence grammatically correct: "Explore the world through here, becoming lifelong learners."

DanThe following sentence is written on a sign at the entrance of a school: Explore the world through here, becoming lifelong learners. Is this sentence grammatically correct? The phrase "through here" sounds awkward to me. Also, it seems that "becoming" modifies "explore"; I'm not sure if a gerun...

Who dafuq closed this?
> Proofreading questions are off-topic unless a specific source of concern in the text is clearly identified.
They did that! They identified it!!
 
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03:03
Mechanical terminology of the day: hunting tooth
How do I quickly estimate the number of teeth on a bicycle sprocket, without manually counting?
03:25
@CowperKettle Use two pencils. Rest one pencil on the tooth at 12 o' clock. Rest the other at 9. Then, counting, tap ever other tooth until you reach the 12, and multiply by 8.
@MetaEd Uhh what was this about?
Why would I ever shut AHK down?
@Cerberus ok smarty pants, now do the circumference of the earth.
@Mitch Oh, same method, roughly.
@MetaEd I set myself up for that one. That's on me.
@Cerberus ok that was too easy...how about the height of the Eiffel tower using a barometer?
I think you know the answer.
03:43
@Mitch Sell the barometer and use the money to buy an extra-long tape measure, duh.
I assume Home Depot sells tape measures that long.
04:01
@Vikas What is this?
Something rendered by GPT?
@alphabet keep the barometer and just look it up on Wikipedia?
 
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@Mitch Come up with a number and edit Wikipedia to make it accurate.
@Cerberus GPT renders are too polished, so that makes them look fake. So I guess it's real or at least manually edited. BTW, you really didn't get it?
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-latin answer (52): Grading/correcting/? assignments‭ by Adam Belfhail‭ on english.SE
 
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> The marzipan-scented liana, a woody, long-stemmed vine named Keita deniseae was collected in the Boyboyba forest of Guinea, where the plant climbs into the canopy with strange, hooked structures and bears large, edible fruit.
Merry Christmas!
11:48
Rete meretricium
Whore nets.
 
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy keeps changing his statements frequently. Does he just get influenced by Europe/USA about what he wants?
 
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@jlliagre Yes, the purple I would never have guessed. Got the blue and orange right away, but the keg, barrel, and tap made me fixated on how beer is dispensed from.
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@tchrist This is mine, they say "your food choices resemble those of the lower-middle class (67.86%)"
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All those food were new to me when I came to America starting with the university cafetaria food, almost all of which I enjoyed. Though I now prefer pulled pork over sloppy joe or fetuccini alfredo over mac and cheese, I still cannot let go of the humble meat loaf and fish & chips.
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14:53
I mostly said yes to everything.
It always looks yummier in picture, of course I said I'd like most of it
Now show me badly prepared food and then I'll decide if I'll still eat it
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Tightrope, a daily trivia game | Britannica

Dec. 19, 2024

T I G H T R O P E
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My Score: 2080
@Vikas I'm not in the loop. Did he boast earlier that Ukraine can drive off Russia on their own? Because that would be a very empty boast and everyone would know it.
15:40
@M.A.R. I don't remember about driving off, but he made many statements that they will take back everything. Most importantly, he said something like we'll not give up territory.
Best example is his earlier peace plan.
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And now he says "can't". Let alone trying.
15:56
@M.A.R. I said a lot of no's to things. Lobster on grits? You're ruining the grits! Gold leaf on ice? Not even on lemon ice? What kind of messed up diet of 0 calories is that?
@M.A.R. Me too, although I'm still trying to enjoy sashimi & oyster more but when given an option I would probably opt for more mainstream American food.
I chose things I would -like- to eat, not what I actually -would- eat.
@Mitch I did say "no" to lobster on grits and gold leaf on ice. And I hate caviar.
@GratefulDisciple Yeah those are insane.
I don't get the point of caviar. It's like funny salt that stains your napkin. I don't get the big deal.
Capers and conions and cream cheese and salmon are awesome though.
@Mitch I bet some of those upper class people would rather enjoy sloppy joe in their closet once they got home pretending among their peers that they love caviar.
16:01
In the other direction, I just never got into mac and cheese. People seem to love it but... maybe I've just never had it prepared well?
@Mitch I'm pretty neutral on plain mac and cheese; prefer it baked and mixed with ham, Indo-Dutch style like here.
@GratefulDisciple My mom made sloppy joes for us every so often as kids (I felt like it was a new thing for everybody at the time). It seemed like a lot of trouble to make -and- to eat...it just falls out of the bun.And the taste... pretty much a hamburger maybe spicier? Then just get a hamburger.
Pulled pork (which is a recent thing for me (past decade?)) is awesome though. Or is that just the modern name for BBQ? COuldn't stand BBQ as a kid now it's great.
Oh dang... that's one of those foods I would -like- to eat, but when I see it on a menu I have to say t myself 'Nope, not good for you'
@Mitch To me each of the 3 has their own attraction; for sloppy joe I like the mixing of ground beef and the spices in the sauce. Though hamburger is also ground beef, but the meat (not the sauce) predominates.
@GratefulDisciple Give them a bowl of caviar that they have to finish off. That'll cure em.
I eat my gold straight and in large chunks. Not this sissy gold 'leaf' stuff.
Also is lobster supposed to be fancy? I'm not eating no underwater spider!
@Mitch Yup, I like that dish as well; tried it recently. Maybe should call it entrée (or other upper class words), not dish :-).
16:09
I like sushi and sashimi but if I think about it, it just doesn't make sense. They don't have much taste.
@GratefulDisciple I don't think of it as a dish, it's more of an appetizer or canapé.
@Mitch I much prefer cooked eel, not really into sashimi or even raw-fish sushi.
@Mitch Yes, that's it. Learn new word canapé. What's the Spanish version?
I had 'high tea' once... a bunch of mini-sandwiches and scones. Extremely overpriced. Exorbitantly overpriced. Gouging the gougers overpriced.
The tea was OK.
@GratefulDisciple There's a Spanish version?
@Mitch I have yet tried the full English breakfast experience. Not a good time to try, everything is so inflated these days :-(.
@Cerberus "The riddle"
The closest analogy I can think of would be 'tapas', but that would be a strained and unsatisfactory matching.
@GratefulDisciple Different time of day. also different slice of that chart.
16:13
@Mitch Tapas? May not be the same thing. My work colleague loves going to a restaurant where they serve lots of those small plates.
I think a big IHOP or Denny's breakfast with pancakes, eggs, , hashbrowns and bacon is the closest in Canada and the US.
Does Tim Horton's have that?
@Mitch Yes, looking at Wikipedia, quite different. Probably wouldn't be associated in that Connections game either :-).
@GratefulDisciple yeah I think the only thing similar between tapas and high tea is 'a number of small plates'.
@GratefulDisciple Wait... is that how all this started? I thought it was just tchrist's link to the quiz.
@Mitch Or small steamed containers like dim sum.
@GratefulDisciple haha three entirely different things shared by 'many small plates'
There's the Korean appetizer selection before the main meal which is 'many small plates'
Then there's the American version... buffet.
16:17
@Mitch Don't know how it started, but just noticed you guys started doing Connections, not just Wordle. Interesting game too.
That's 'many large plates'
@GratefulDisciple Oh. Yeah, it's only the guys who show their game results.
@Mitch Oh yes, then there's the Korean version: Banchan! So we got 4 now.
@GratefulDisciple I went to a Lebanese restaurant many years ago and they had a 'many appetizers' thing. I'm pretty sure there's a name for it, like there is for the Korean version.
@Mitch Tim Horton doesn't offer platters, only breakfast sandwiches and breakfast wraps. They don't have pancakes / waffles / omelets either (like IHOP / Denny's).
Banchan is for the Korean version.
@GratefulDisciple Got it. I think the corresponding entity here in the US would be Dunkin Donuts.
16:21
@Mitch Exactly.
The lebanese version is 'meze'
@Mitch Wow, in Jeolla they really spread them out (see picture).
The Indonesian version (although the small plates are actually main course, not appetizer) are the small plates served in Padang style restaurants, such as here. Like Banchan, they are eaten family style.
So:
Spain: tapas
Korea: banchan
China: dim sum
UK: high tea
@Mitch Yup. I still need to try tapas and high tea. Maybe a 2025 NY resolution.
@GratefulDisciple mmm
@GratefulDisciple Food resolution: eat less of more things.
16:26
@Mitch meze reminds me of Greek "buffet" style restaurant where you can make your own "salad" (one trip only) from their dozens of options into something shown in that picture.
@Mitch Sampler heaven :-)
@GratefulDisciple maybe the American version is 'salad bar'?
doesn't sound that good.
@MetaEd Ahh. No, that is not it. Although Autohotkey is involved in the code; it can be generated on my computer. But Autohotkey itself is not what caused the site not to accept the code.
@Mitch Maybe so, or at least in that place they structure it like that to make it familiar to Americans. I like several "salad bar" places that offer many meat options. One Sizzler place I went even include building your own tacos.
Hint: there is a conexion with this room.
Gotta go. TTYL.
16:33
@GratefulDisciple I used to like this one Wendy's where they had a 'build your own baked potato bar', where the obvious choice is to choose everything.
@GratefulDisciple Ooh I know another sort of one... an Israeli falafel bar. I mean a couple falafel in a pita is OK but at a falafel stand in israeli they give you a buffet of toppings. Sort of like Doner Kebab but with falafel instead of gyros, and you get to ladel on the extras instead of just getting a big wallop of just lettuce.
@Mitch ladel? You're confusing ladle and dreidel now?
BTW, pita confectioins like gyros &c are just tacos by another name.
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@Robusto Yes.
When they start dreidling things on your falafel, it's time to run.
@Robusto What I'm hearing here is that we're making ontological progress... a hotdog is arguably sandwichy, but is definitely a kind of taco.
@Mitch have to disagree.
a hamburger is a sandwich. Even if you fail to cut completely through the roll, it's still a sandwich. In exactly the same way, a hotdog is a sandwich, whether or not you cut completely through the roll.
17:41
What if you never cut through it from the side, but rather make a hole in it, through which to shove the sausage?
17:51
@Cerberus ontologically I believe that's a bread bowl. topologically it's toast. but topologically a bread bowl is toast also.
@MetaEd Oh sure, but then you're saying a taco is a sandwich and, separately, a doner kebab/gyro is a sandwich?
@MetaEd if you toast only one side of the bread. Which of course is absurd and your beautiful cathedral of crystals shatters into a pile of sand which quickly blows away in the wind of logic.
@Mitch A taco is a separate category, at least according to the cube theory.
See how I brought the metaphor back from the edge of a cliff of tangency onto the coastal highway of relevancy?
@MetaEd I think that is a better solution than trying to force things into the dogmatic sandwich/not sandwich dichotomy.
@Mitch a synonym for toast I think would be open-face sandwich, or cracker
canapé
@MetaEd You haven't addressed the 'toasted on one side aspect'.
18:05
@Mitch are you proposing that the act of toasting changes the category?
@MetaEd I suppose not. But I wouldn't want a bread bowl that is all crust. Somehow that would not be appetizing.
But...
I think functionally you can have soup in a bread bowl but not on a piece of toast. So something about topology ain't working here.
@Mitch I totally agree -- topology doesn't recapitulate ontology.
So an ice cream cone is like a tostada/open-faced sandwich because the supporting bread structure is cooked uniformly throughout (includes waffle cones, even if chocolate dipped).
An ice cream cone is a bread bowl.
It's not about uniform baking. It's about which sides of the cube are starch.
Wait... is this the food cube? but then topology would only differentiate four kinds:
- the one sided (equivalent to the taco, hotdog, and bowl)
- two sided (the sandwich, hamburger, I'll throw lasagna here anyway)
- the open ended tube (vietnamese eggroll, donut, bagel)
- the entirely enclosed cube (wontons, empanadas, ravioli, pierogi, sausages. also burritos and eggrolls)
The other kinds with three sides or four sides collapse topologically to the single side.
18:36
@Mitch - it's not topology.
@Mitch actually it's Physics. Because "Assume the cow is a sphere"
Mostly I just wasn't hungry.
That said, if you don't like lower class food, feel free to leave it in the nearest outdoor trash can.
18:57
@Mitch Most things are tacos, when you get right down to it. What are neutrons but quark tacos?
@Robusto I had no idea they were made from cheese. That explains the moon then.
@MetaEd Also a taco. Rather a full one, but still a taco.
Screw string theory! Taco theory is the next big thing!
Although string cheese is quite good.
@alphabet Obviously I have been underestimating raccoon's intelligence, savviness, and bravery. As a human I wouldn't want to stand in a drive through like that and risk being hit by inattentive and hungry driver.
19:14
@alphabet What is this? Numbers of people?
@Cerberus That's your individual "food class" test result. See @tchrist's Food Choice Test link.
@GratefulDisciple Ahh.
I wonder why this is presented in a circular diagram btw.
I actually have been wanting to ask whether there is a Dutch version, because the food tested is American-centric.
@Cerberus Yes, it seems more space efficient as a bar graph.
@Robusto The moon is a calzone.
@Cerberus Wait, isn't that the UN flag?
@MetaEd That's the mistake a lot of people make.
19:21
I'm off to enjoy my Middle class food lunch. TTYL.
@GratefulDisciple Don't forget the tacos.
I had to look up some of these dishes.
Besides, I wonder whether those Americans who made the test really know what upper class is?
A lot of those people aren't eating anything at all.
@GratefulDisciple Exactly. The circle suggests a conexion between lower and upper class, or that these are segments of a whole, none of which apply.
@Robusto Let them eat sashimi.
19:26
So you just eat a lot.
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I have a big problem with the way the question is asked. "How much would you like to eat:"
A lot.
As much as I can.
I am a dog.
> signals sometimes trickle round, moving directly from the lower to the upper class, before diffusing to the middle class
This is obviously true.
speaking as someone well on their way to vegan eating, currently eating only milk and cheese, I'd like to eat many of the choices, and I'd also like to not eat many of the same choices.
Meat loaf: yeah, baby, except no.
And it has been true for ages, in the past more so because the upper classes would have much contact with the lower classes, since they has personnel and needed to talk to everyone.
19:29
and the same for many of the other foods.
The survey says it doesn't apply to vegetarians.
So it is best answered as though you weren't, I suppose?
@Cerberus Right. Which is how I answered. I'd like to eat all those nice things like the barbecue sandwich. But won't.
Right.
Does 'mac and cheese' contain starches besides the pasta, by the way?
Oh, I see it does.
Yeah that doesn't sound great to me.
> his brother, whom he had left in charge in Egypt, invited him and his sons to a banquet and then piled wood around the house and set it on fire.

[2] When Sesostris was aware of this, he at once consulted his wife, whom (it was said) he had with him; and she advised him to lay two of his six sons on the fire and make a bridge over the burning so that they could walk over the bodies of the two and escape. This Sesostris did; two of his sons were thus burnt but the rest escaped alive with their father.
— Herodotus.
@Cerberus The Trolley Problem existed before there were trolleys. Though not before problems.
Yup!
And this teaches us to think in solutions, not problems. A way out can always be found.
19:57
Reminds me of the parable of the son's flesh.
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@jlliagre Looks like you're on average lower upper middle class.
@Cerberus Sometimes graphics are chosen for esthetics rather than data coherence.
@Cerberus I don't think they know what food is. Gold leaf on ice? Lobster on grits? Those are just random words put together.
@Mitch That's me, roughly.
@MetaEd Yeah I've seen that. The choice of sides is not semantically coherent.
Also a calzone is a very large empanada.
@MetaEd Yuk. I can't give up milk products. Cheese, yogurt, etc., Also fish: salmon, sardines, etc., very healthy.
@jlliagre Do those labels match what the socioeconomic levels are like in France?
@Robusto Deep fried Mars bars are totally vegan.
@Mitch Both are just covering-complete tacos.
21:13
I'm pretty sure fabricated from petroleum refinement by-products.
BTW, if you ask for a taco in Japan they'll give you an octopus. They have a very sly sense of humor.
@Robusto One complaint about tacos (yes it would be wonderful if you pass this on to the committee) is that... well... they don't work. They're supposed to allow to eat some mess with your hands, but almost always the mess seeps through or spills out and you have to clean up afterwards.
@Mitch I don't like that when it suggests things that aren't there, or makes the data less overzichtelijk.
(Yes, you really need to learn this one Dutch word if you haven't yet.)
@Mitch You must eat faster.
@Cerberus Ausgezeichnet!
21:16
@Mitch Well, grits are some preparation made of cereals or similar?
@Mitch That is entirely unrelated...
@Mitch Gesundheit!
@Cerberus It's corn meal prepared like oatmeal or ... or whatever. you boil some ground corn in water.
@Cerberus I know, but still your word sounds excellent.
@Robusto Thanks. Do you have a towel?
@Mitch Something like that.
@Mitch I do, but I'm currently using it as a body taco.
@Robusto np. just used a sleeve.
not my own. that'd be gross.
@Cerberus sometimes there's a menu of graph choices and they pick one that looks cool. Bar charts are pretty uncool. So a bullseye chart it is then.
@Robusto It's always an octopus with the Japanese.
21:21
@Mitch That's stupid, I don't think any chart is cool.
Except if it presents the date very effectively.
@Cerberus Oh, there are charts that are cool.
The cooler they are the greater tendency they are to be confusing.
Ugh.
A scatterplot is very cool, but without being misleading.
A barchart with 3d shading and shadowing highlights is very cool but that's unnecessary chart junk.
As long as the junk doesn't distract, it's fine.
Yeah.
Some of the climate change charts are cool, while giving the impact of the data reasonably. Like a circular chart by month, and the line of average temp spirals around, and you can see thatfor the past couple decades the line is always bigger and bigger.
21:27
Yes, that is fine.
I'm not sure whether it really makes it much easier to grasp the essence than a regular line chart.
But it's fine.
What I also hate is when they have a solid line for something that ought to be discrete points, where any position between the spots is meaningless.
Or, worse, when they colour the space below the line in such a situation.
That space should only be coloured when the area below the line has a meaning.
@Cerberus The calendar circle makes sense for anything that is cyclic on a fixed cycle (like weather over a calendar year or traffic on a highway by day of week or time of day).
@Cerberus yes. it's almost like putting fake interpolating points that aren't there.
But sometimes a value at a point in time is a summary of the whole period (eg number of sales in a month) as opposed to temperature recorded on the first of every month.
I think I could see some justification for interpolating lines sometimes. And even colored areas below. But yes I agree that in general those add nothing.
@Vikas If this is a joke, I still don't get it!
@GratefulDisciple A lack of protection from vehicular homicide laws is one of the worst forms of antiraccoonist discrimination in our society.
@Vikas Why would he not change his opinion, just as the situation changes?
@MetaEd And edibly it is a piece of cake?
21:46
@Mitch Trick is to wrap a condom around your taco to keep the fillings from spilling out.
@Mitch They might but we'd probably use classe défavorisée instead of inférieure.
Also: is that questionnaire based on actual data around what people in different classes eat? Or just stereotypical associations?
So far as I can tell, none of the studies this is based on provide any data to support their choices of specific food items.
I couldn't find it either.
22:29
Something interesting. One of the studies they cite asks participants about preferences for stereotypically highbrow and lowbrow foods. But instead of asking what foods the participants personally liked, they asked what foods the participants would want served at a party they were hosting.
That tells you more about what they think their friends like for festive food.
@Cerberus Is this paragraph-long meaning accurate, which emphasizes the angle of "allowing you to get a good grasp of the whole situation with a single glance" (my paraphrase)? That's certainly more than saying "clear" in English. I had an Italian colleague whose command of English is not that good, but who liked to say "clear" after I presented a good diagram to communicate the complexities of the data flow, for example.
@Cerberus Rather: it tells you which foods will, if served at a party, make the party's host seem high-status, or at least avoid making them seem low-status.
@alphabet Maybe first, you need a racoon suffrage movement?
At a party, you want to serve food that people like. But you also want to serve food that makes people see you as refined, or at least as not-unrefined.
22:35
@GratefulDisciple Your paraphrase is good.
The explanation is good.
The word is also often used in the abstract, though.
@Cerberus I see, so probably not the Italian word that my Italian colleague had in mind.
Let's plan two activities each day, that's overzichtelijk.
@GratefulDisciple I don't know what he had in mind, but it could mean the same as English clear in that context?
@Cerberus Recalling those situations, I would use a different word such as "I got it" or "It makes sense" or "I have no more questions" or "I now see the challenge".
@alphabet You seem to think that everyone is obsessed with status?
Very American!
If it's not money, it's status.
@Cerberus Surely this happens across cultures? I mean, hot dogs are delicious, but if I ever had the misfortune to be hosting a dinner party, I'd serve something classier instead, even if I knew everyone there liked hot dogs also.
22:44
@Cerberus Have you seen the TV Series Frasier? Those brothers are somewhat obsessed with status in comical contrast with their dad who don't give a d***, just eating and doing what he likes with his buddies. So it really depends on the group of people you're with.
Is this kind of signaling incredibly dumb? Yes. Is it advantageous to do it anyway, to some extent? Also yes.
@alphabet Seems it really has to do with one's social aspiration, whether as a guest or as a party host. Deep down, people want to belong. The question is: which class?
It's less about trying to aspire to being part of a higher class, and more about meeting the expectations of the class one is already in.
@alphabet No, most people are not obsessed with money or status like that.
@GratefulDisciple Indeed.
@alphabet For a party host, certainly. For guest I probably need to play a part if I want to enter a higher social class. Miss Bingley from Pride and Prejudice is a social climber and is reprimanded by Mr. Darcy who saw through her.
22:59
@GratefulDisciple Indeed. But I don't think acting refined at a party will advance your social status as much as behaving poorly will harm it.
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2️⃣📍53.7 m - 🗓️3 yrs - 🥇197/200
3️⃣📍104 km - 🗓️5 yrs - 🥇190/200
4️⃣📍630 km - 🗓️9 yrs - 🥈168/200
5️⃣📍51.2 km - 🗓️12 yrs - 🥇176/200

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@alphabet Agreed. As with many things in life, I'm afraid it's quite easy to ruin good social capital that one has built over the years. Looks like the only real safe preserver of a social class is money. If you have it, then you can afford to make mistakes. Maybe real (but rare and valuable) skills is another preserver too.
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@alphabet Seriously, upon rereading this, I think that's pretty twisted.
I can't believe that you would do this.
@GratefulDisciple Umm this certainly does not apply to the upper classes.
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@Cerberus Yeah, on second reading, I take back what I say. It's way too overgeneralizing. I forgot many other factors, not to mention cultural, emotional bonds, religious / political values, group interests, etc. Humans are complex and many factors are beyond our control.
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