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Laurel
Laurel
12:02 AM
But it doesn't allow you to w8 w/b8d brth!
 
tchrist
tchrist
Butta regex or two away!
 
Laurel
Laurel
Tru!
 
tchrist
tchrist
abrv8
 
Laurel
Laurel
Most of the txtspk I use is multiple words tho, like iirc, ttyl
 
tchrist
tchrist
What do you call it when one regex hangs out with another regex?
E2REGES
Latin rex is singular, reges plural.
Thing about txtspk is YANETUT, at least the grups aren't.
And the Children Shall Lead
"And the Children Shall Lead" is the fourth episode of the third season of the American science fiction television series Star Trek. Written by Edward J. Lakso and directed by Marvin Chomsky, it was first broadcast on October 11, 1968. In the episode, the crew of the Enterprise find children with great powers at their disposal. == Plot == The federation starship Enterprise arrives at the planet Triacus. Captain Kirk, Dr. McCoy, and First Officer Spock beam down in time to witness the death of Professor Starnes, the leader of a scientific expedition team. The other members of the expedition, apart...
Grups is from there. Which I watched when it first aired.
Kids quickly developed their own words that the GROWN UPS didn't understand, and weren't meant to.
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
12:10 AM
 
Laurel
Laurel
@tchrist Like a thieves cant, since many children are also criminals :p
 
tchrist
tchrist
Wretched urchins!
@jlliagre TLM = tout le monde
But that's a remarkable translation nonetheless.
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
@tchrist That's what I was suspected when you wrote there was a French part, but the whole text was quite obscure to me.
The Last Man makes little sense here.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@jlliagre Yes, you can't easily figure it out unless you're native speaker with a wicked bent.
I don't quite disemvowel everything. You have to leave certain bits.
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
@tchrist That's gringx to me!
 
Laurel
Laurel
12:14 AM
Someone should develop a tool which will take everything tchrist says and automatically convert it to normal English via ChatGPT lol
 
tchrist
tchrist
A word that starts with a vowel cannot have it deleted and remain intelligibly typed.
> If Yuo're Albe To Raed Tihs, You Might Have Typoglycemia ...
The word-scrambling phenomenon has a punny name: typoglycemia, playing with typo and glycemia (the condition of having low blood sugar). Typoglycemia can refer to to the phenomenon in which words can be read despite being jumbles, or it can refer to the ability to read such texts.
 
Laurel
Laurel
@tchrist I suppose you don't believe in working across the isle then
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Laurel The English Channel keeps us safe from invasion.
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
> Une éutde de l'uvniisteré de Cirgdambe a mtrnoé que l'on peut sans plombrèe lire un ttxee dont les letrtes snot dnas le dsédorre puor peu que la pèermire et la dienèrre lrette de chqaue mot retenst à la bonne plcae. Ccei mnrote que le caerveu ne lit pas tteuos les lteetrs mais pnred le mot cmmoe un tuot. La pvreue : aouevz que vous n'aevz pas eu de mal à lrie ce texte.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@jlliagre That's definitely much harder for me to read than the English version.
And I do not have any trouble reading regular French.
Try it in Spanish?
It's not that I can't read it. It slows me down far more is all.
 
Laurel
Laurel
12:22 AM
My French at this point has deteriorated a lot from when I was able to pass the most softball French classes that I had in hs :/
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
@tchrist I wouldn't have guessed Cirgdambe but the remaining words are fine in context.
The English version is easy to read, I hesitated a little with smilpe.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist It's different when you don't already know what it's going to say. And when the words are longer.
@jlliagre Yeah still quite legible.
But also because I knew what to expect.
 
Laurel
Laurel
@Cerberus It would also be harder with those annoying close words like county vs country probably
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Only the word for brain I had some trouble with.
 
tchrist
tchrist
> Sgeún una ieinvstagiócn de la Univrsediad de Cmabirdge, no imprtoa en qué oerdn eéstn las letars de una paalbra, lo úinco imoaprtnte es que la prmriea y la úlitma letra eéstn en el lguar crroecto. El rsteo pduee ser un lío ttoal y aún pduees lrleeo sin porblema. Esto se dbee a que la mnete huamna no lee cada ltera por sí msima snio la paalbra cmoo un tdoo.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
12:26 AM
@Laurel Could be!
 
tchrist
tchrist
I definitely read the Spanish jumble much faster than I do the French one.
 
Laurel
Laurel
I noticed that I don't always read words all the way through in regular English, which is an obstacle for not only pronouncing some words right but also spelling them (even words I know how to spell, if I'm typing on mobile, since I use a lot of autocomplete)
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
@tchrist Easy peasy, but knowing in advance what it says skews the test.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@jlliagre yes
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
> De mairitile setasretgap wred gnsteued door cienervvtsaoe greeopn als de CDEA, mtihrenascon zolas de rliuieegs-ciosaevvrntee cesrtlian, en de fisstsahccie ftsaagienln. De garaenles hadedn aiutroraite en atni-sischaiptterase ipnarnoinbetreisn. Aan ntaalisiocnstihe zdjie wearn er sketre atni-Bihscsake en atni-Canalsatae gleevones.
Try this.
 
Laurel
Laurel
12:32 AM
@Cerberus I don't think I would even know this was shuffled, except that zdj- seems too weird even for Dutch
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Laurel Hehe.
There are some words in this that you could easily understand had they been in the right order.
Most of the longer words.
> The ospniopg Nsttoanliias wree an anallcie of Fgsntilaas, mtsanrcoihs, csvvioarntees, and tlnotiirsdaiats led by a mtalriiy jnuta aonmg wohm Gaeenrl Finrccaso Facnro qlcuiky aehceivd a pdrornapeent rloe.
How is this?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@tchrist traditionally, symptoms that have to do with the definition of the word schizophrenia (dissociation from reality + hallucinations) are believed to have to do with dopamine dysregulation, while 'negative symptoms' that involve the myriad of other behaviors they show have to do with serotonin dysregulation
Making prognosis that much poorer and the patients that much more difficult
Catatonia is a negative symptom, for example.
Dissociation is why schizophrenic don't think they're ill. That's literally part of their illness. Media tend to romanticize it by framing it as some sort of antiestablishment statement, as if every psychiatrist is some Dr. Frankenstein that wants to lobotomize you. Then they wonder why seeking therapy is stigmatized
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
What media?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
As opposed to, say, people with OCD, or ADHD. They know something's wrong, they seek treatment for it because it's disrupting the flow of their lives
@Cerberus any media that say "famous person X was diagnosed as a schizophrenic but he always said I'm okay"
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I've never heard of that?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
12:44 AM
1 hour ago, by M.A.R.
> Though he was diagnosed by a psychiatrist as a paranoid schizophrenic, he was adamant that he wasn’t mentally ill.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. wait...what does 'positive symptom of X' mean?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Hmm.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch a schizophrenic does and thinks some extra things, those are the positive symptoms. The things they don't do or think but normal people do and think are negative symptoms.
Avolition is a negative symptom, and it makes the patient that much harder to take care of. They'd dehydrate or starve on their own.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. supposedly when narcissism is diagnosed the patient says sure um a narcissist what's wrong with that I am better then everybody else
There are currently ni medications for narcissism
@M.A.R. ok that makes it easier to generalize to other diseases
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch those the psychiatrists have to deal with. I haven't studied it so I have no idea. My guess is some types know they're ill and some types would never admit it, and that it's a manifestation of several overlapping disorders, as opposed to a thing of its own
We have a psychiatry course up ahead. Not looking forward to it
What does Epstein have to do with the Unabomber though? A suspicious person would say the former was suicided against his own will but the latter person probably didn't want to suffer more due to cancer
 
Mitch
Mitch
12:54 AM
'suicided against their own will' sounds like fancy talk for murder
@M.A.R. usually the diagnosis of narcissism happens when the patient comes in for something else like OCD or ADHD
Or they're in prison
Nobody is working on a med for narcissism because CEOs wouldn't allow it
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
La palabra del día #521 5/6

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https://lapalabradeldia.com/
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
I dunno how 'narcissism' is different from 'grandiosity', which is a common manifestation of mania, which can be an aspect of bipolar manic disorder, schizophrenia, and probably two dozen other disorders
BMD people know they're ill. But they're often actually in the depression phase and not the manic phase. Schizophrenics don't, so for example one patient was boasting to my prof that she had bedded every single person in that facility
The ones that are subtler and CEOs instead of chained up are probably not psychotic (I.e. not dissociated from reality). Probably.
 
alphabet
alphabet
1:09 AM
@M.A.R. Narcissistic personality disorder is IIRC more like (say) borderline personality disorder than like mania. Doesn't involve psychosis or truly bizarre delusions, and it isn't episodic
Personality disorders usually don't respond very well to medication AFAIK. Sometimes they don't respond to anything. Take ASPD aka clinical psychopathy
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
@Laurel What means "softball" here? facile? Oh yes: : a question requiring only an easy or simple response
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
 
tchrist
tchrist
1:39 AM
@jlliagre Yes.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
> To win in Ukraine, should Russia use nuclear weapons or should it not use nuclear weapons under any circumstances?
Responses received: 10% of respondents supported the former position, and 86% supported the latter, with 68% doing so “definitely”—suggesting that, despite the ongoing influence of the Kremlin propaganda machine, Russians know there can be no winners in a nuclear war. Sober-mindedness was displayed by virtually all categories of respondents, regardless of age, place of residence, education, income level, etc.
Poll in Russia, Levada Centre.
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
@tchrist C'est leaenmgrt l'hruee de diormr !
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Lengrement?
I don't know what that is.
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
You missed an A
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Largenement?
Nope.
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
1:50 AM
Close
2 extra letters
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Oh, largement is possible.
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
yes.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Don't move too much too far.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
> What did the divorced Texas woman say to her ex husband?
Remember the Alimony.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Hroa est ddmoneiri.
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
1:53 AM
Mañana será otro día.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@jlliagre srpeqeu
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
@Cerberus When I hear the word "poll" over the phone, I instantly hang up. I cannot be sure it's not FSB or some pro-Putin activist (worse).
 
jlliagre
jlliagre
@tchrist Casi
 
tchrist
tchrist
@jlliagre Aunque por casualidad no te madrugues, eso te lo será.
Actually, isn't it already Putin's madrigal for you guys?
 
alphabet
alphabet
@CowperKettle "Every 100th respondent will get a free case of Russia's finest polonium tea."
 
Laurel
Laurel
2:02 AM
@jlliagre I really like this usage of the word, despite the fact that I have no real feelings toward the game itself
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@CowperKettle Yeah, I've been thinking that the whole time.
Polls must be quite unreliable.
 
Laurel
Laurel
Russian polls are probably unusable unless you're part of the government (or were brainwashed by it)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I would say not at all.
Only if the respondent were guaranteed to be anonymous.
Which I think is unrealistic.
 
Laurel
Laurel
The Russian government would rather have stats that flatter it, even if these opinions couldn't be further from the truth
 
alphabet
alphabet
 
tchrist
tchrist
2:26 AM
@Laurel It's just standard KGB propaganda. Nothing ever changes.
 
tchrist
tchrist
2:42 AM
Spanglish mixing Spain Spanish and England English.
 
 
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alphabet
alphabet
4:13 AM
Word of the day: Foggy Bottom. A metonym for the US State Department, based on the name of a neighborhood in DC.
 
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
5:38 AM
Beautiful songs
@alphabet See also: Inside the Beltway
Ukrainian military march of the early 20th century
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
6:31 AM
Local guy who works as a manager and runs from the town of Berezovsky to his office in Yekaterinburg every morning has just won gold in a 90-km supermarathon in Africa e1.ru/text/gorod/2023/06/12/72391634
Comrades Marathon
The Comrades Marathon is an ultramarathon of approximately 89 kilometres (55 mi) which is run annually in the KwaZulu-Natal province of South Africa between the cities of Durban and Pietermaritzburg. It is the world's largest and oldest ultramarathon race. The direction of the race alternates each year between the "up" run (87 km) starting from Durban and the "down" run (now 90.184 km) starting from Pietermaritzburg. The 2019 field was capped at 25,000 runners, and the entry process closed after one week. South African runners constitute the greater part of the field, but many entrants hail from...
 
Xanne
Xanne
7:08 AM
Wordle 723 3/6

⬜⬜🟩🟩⬜
⬜🟩⬜⬜⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
That was nice.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
8:04 AM
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
8:40 AM
Life has become better
"Life has become better" (Russian: Жить ста́ло лу́чше, tr. Zhit stálo lúchshe, IPA: [ʐɨtʲ ˈstalə ˈlut͡ʂʂɨ]) is a widespread version of a phrase uttered by former Soviet Communist Party General Secretary Joseph Stalin at the First All-Union Meeting of the Stakhanovites on November 17, 1935. The full quote from Joseph Stalin was, when translated into English, Living has become better, comrades. Living has become happier. And when life becomes happier, work becomes more effective. ... If we lived badly, unattractive, unhappy, then there would be no Stakhanov movement in our country. == Song == In...
Fougasse (bread)
In French cuisine, fougasse (in occitan fogaça) is a type of bread typically associated with Provence but found (with variations) in other regions. Some versions are sculpted or slashed into a pattern resembling a head of wheat. == History and etymology == In ancient Rome, panis focacius was a flatbread baked in the ashes of the hearth (focus in Latin). This became a diverse range of breads that include focaccia in Italian cuisine, hogaza in Spain, fogassa in Catalonia, fugàssa in Ligurian, pogača in the Balkans, pogácsa in Hungary, fougasse in Provence (originally spelled fogatza), fouace or...
In Russian, fugas is a kind of special-made landmine or charge, hidden in the frontline area in order to suddenly explode, sending shrapnel in the direction of the advancing enemy.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
9:05 AM
Who knows this word, without cheating? "a rodeo event in which a horse-mounted rider chases a steer, drops from the horse to the steer, then wrestles the steer to the ground by grabbing its horns and pulling it off-balance so that it falls to the ground."
Word of the minute: a fly ball ("He can't catch a fly ball!")
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
9:23 AM
Unexpectedly cognate words of the day: platoon and pellet
> 1630s, "a small body of soldiers acting together but separate from the main body of troops," from French peloton "platoon, group of people," literally "little ball" (15c.), hence, "agglomeration," diminutive of Old French pelote "ball" (see pellet).
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
9:52 AM
I wonder what's the etymology of epision. "Epi" means "above" here? What's "sion"?
> Ancient Greek ἐπίσιον (epísion, “pubic region”)
 
 
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MetaEd
MetaEd
12:22 PM
Wordle 723 3/6

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@Xanne so much depends on your first search words
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
First, Second and Third most spoken language in California by county
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
12:41 PM
Language gerrymandering.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus BUT. With nukes one man pushes a button. It's not a war. Doesn't need popular support.
It's good to know that at least there people are not delusional in thinking they'll win anything fighting the battles of the few.
@CowperKettle Tagalog! Hmm
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@CowperKettle are there maps for other states?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Preferably states with more than 3 people in them
 
tchrist
tchrist
1:06 PM
> French is a de facto, but unofficial, language in Maine and Louisiana, while New Mexico law grants Spanish a special status. The government of Louisiana offers services and most documents in both English and French, and New Mexico does so in English and Spanish.
> In Puerto Rico both English and Spanish are official, although Spanish has been declared the principal official language. The school system and the government operate almost entirely in Spanish, but federal law requires the United States District Court for the District of Puerto Rico to use English, like the rest of the federal court system.
> In New Mexico, although the state constitution does not specify an official language, laws are published in English and Spanish, and government materials and services are legally required (by Act) to be made accessible to speakers of both languages as well as Navajo and various Pueblo languages. New Mexico also has its own dialect of Spanish, which differs from Spanish spoken in the rest of Latin America.
Today I learned that New Mexico is part of Latin America.
 
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
2:29 PM
> After 10 months, 35 of the participants who took metformin were diagnosed with long COVID, compared to 58 for the placebo group, representing a 40 percent reduction in risk. medicalxpress.com/news/2023-06-cheap-diabetes-drug-covid.html
Metformin, also known as The Miracle Potion.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
2:49 PM
what are the the latest developments on the SE strike
 
Laurel
Laurel
@MetaEd Three SE moderators were decided upon (via a vote on Discord) to do negotiations with the company.
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Q: Moderation Strike update: Data dumps, choosing representatives, GPT data, and where we’re holding

Nick is tiredIntroduction Since our strike announcement, a number of new developments have occurred. Philippe, VP of Community, posted data they have regarding GPT content on the platform. Stack Exchange staff reached out to strike organizers and asked us to choose three moderator representatives for the stri...

discussion community company
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
3:32 PM
I discovered another Ukrainian group.
For some reason, the best groups don't have high watch counts on YouTube.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
3:45 PM
@Laurel perfect thank you
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
Tolkien-sounding place name of the day: Merthyr Tydfil -en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merthyr_Tydfil
> Meanwhile, remaining stages of the clinical trial of MDI-26478 will run in Merthyr Tydfil..
Upon reading this, I really imagined some castle on a hill from the LOTR
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:13 PM
@tchrist Not just New Mexico!
Maybe all regions in North America where many people speak Spanish?
Cuando salí de Cuba, llegué a Florida.
I praesume you know the song.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
There seems to be a big wahoo about: twitter.com/TIME/status/1668083952039362561
"How Ukraine's dam collapse could become the country's 'Chernobyl'"
The USSR was to blame for the Chernobyl disaster and coverup. With Russia probably also to blame for the dam disaster, both should be described not as Ukraine's but as Russian's inflicted upon Ukraine.
Linguistic possession is used to transfer blame all the time.
@tchrist that's great, wish it went to the county or zipcode level. or even better, voting district
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:44 PM
@MetaEd Do you feel the possessive expresses blame?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@tchrist it has some Latin professors and it's in America
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Cerberus nope, it expresses possession. this is more about implication. It's like the use of the passive voice to avoid criticism, the classic expression being "mistakes were made".
nobody would argue the fact, that mistakes were made, but the passive construction avoids saying who made them.
similarly, linguistic possession that identifies Chernobyl as "Ukraine's" disaster avoids saying who made it.
or worse, moves the blame from Moscow to Kiev.
How about we rewrite the headline as: "Ukraine dam collapse could become Moscow's next 'Chernobyl'"
 
tchrist
tchrist
Collapse of Ukrainian dam
Collapse of Ukraine's dam
Collapse of dam in Ukraine
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
5:00 PM
You are in a twisty little maze of passages, all different.
You are in a twisting little maze of passages, all different.
You are in a twisty maze of little passages, all different.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
The damn dam's Ukrainian collapse
 
tchrist
tchrist
I think it's a Russian collapse.
 
Mitch
Mitch
5:19 PM
I came here to say something
@MetaEd Yes, I agree, it can have that impication of blame just by association. It was -in- Ukraine, no one else is being mentioned, who to blame... the closest one... Ukraine.
France's Vietnam was... cripes
Vietnam
-and- Algeria
both before US's Vietnam
thinking of a better example
US is to Afghanistan as USSR is to ...
Afghanistan.
Dang it
Napoleon is to Waterloo as ...
hm
Did any body else have anything like a Waterloo?
 
tchrist
tchrist
Portapotty does.
 
Mitch
Mitch
That's gotta be a little weird for French people arriving on the Chunnel train (is that Eurostar?) and arriving at Waterloo station (if that is indeed the chunnel terminus).
Then they go to Trafalgar Square.
The Londoners should cap that off with an Elba Commemorative slaughterhouse or St Helena city cesspool.
With daily tours obviously
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
5:39 PM
@tchrist those damn Acedic millenials/gen Z/gen uh, where are we?
Maybe we should start from the beginning. Gen A
 
Mitch
Mitch
The alphabet thing started with a misinterpretation of Gen X, which got its name from some dude and a book, not knowing how to label the generation after the boomers.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
We should name them like hurricanes
 
Mitch
Mitch
We should all go back to picking names based on some defining historical process that happened when they were born
the 9/11ers
the Chernobler's
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
The Capitols?
 
Mitch
Mitch
Also, and I think this is the best idea, we should insist that all people around the world should be labeled according to an event that is important to Americans.
That way everybody will remember it.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
5:45 PM
Hey I don't take orders from you anymore! You're a failing empire
 
Mitch
Mitch
Do you remember that episode on Friends when Josh and Katy accidentally lock themselves in the closet together?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Any time now you'll fail and give a blue screen
 
Mitch
Mitch
Of course you remember
that's why it's American rules.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch no because I don't have any Friends
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch Everyone, according to Wendell Phillips.
@tchrist Okay, you win
just in general, but also in particular because we make the blue juice for those
 
Mitch
Mitch
5:47 PM
@M.A.R. Look man... as long as the failing New York Times has well researched, easy to make, and tasty recipes (I can assure you it does), US civilization will keep its nose above water.
@MetaEd Was he on Friends? I don't remember him.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
He was the closet
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. 👏👏👏 I did not see that coming.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Neither did Wendell Phillips
 
Mitch
Mitch
of course I was joking about generation names... there are no common generational attributes even within one country alone. OK maybe small countries like Lichtenstein
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. It is questionable whether the Russian government actually needs popular support. Regardless, it places great value in popular support, so that is an important factor.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
6:00 PM
@CowperKettle for something as complicated as long Covid 35 participants are too too few and reporting the percentage tells me that medicalxpress, as usual, have no idea what they're talking about
I really thought metformin helped weight loss but UpToDate has listed it as "weight neutral" for DM 2 patients. I need to read more on that. Being diagnosed with diabetes might worsen lifestyle a bit, at least and especially initially
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
6:35 PM
@Cerberus An oppressive government needs some level of popular support. I remember there being a relatively recent model that took into account the risk averseness of individuals under oppression. You had to get a sort of critical mass and suddenly the regime would have no support.
Also there's the "3.5% theory"
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
6:47 PM
Dang, I wish I could remember that first model clearly enough to find a link
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
7:09 PM
"Intrine" is my new word of the day, along with the noun form "trine"
Searching Amazon now for a trine of pants.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@MetaEd Needs, maybe. But there are different degrees of support, too. From "this is my favourite government" to "I can't risk being executed by protesting".
This is another reason why I fear artificial intelligence.
It can be used by a ruler to replace people. Lots of people.
Then there may be nobody high enough in government any more who could support a revolt.
Especially if the A. I. manages the robot police.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Cerberus Right, and if you don't know the person, you can't tell which it is. There is a lot of "I am a staunch Party Member" coming from people who actually just don't want a visit from Stasi.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Also true.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
7:26 PM
Arguably one nuke is all it takes though. Continuous "popular support" for a government is much more complicated
I realize there's a bit of a slippery slope there, the argument could derail into musing about why Putin hasn't done it already, for example
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus How do you see that happening? replacing lots of people, that is.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Suppose, instead of 100,000 people working in the various ministerial offices, you now have a single computer executing orders, making policy, sending out all specific orders to all of society.
Instructed by the dictator alone.
@M.A.R. What do you mean by, "one nuke is all it takes"?
The idea is that Putin won't launch nukes unless he feels it is useful and popular.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
7:49 PM
@Cerberus or, actually, instructed by a huge bureau of engineers, who give the dictator a point-and-click interface that lets him turn some of the dials
that is, unless you envisioned putting a high-powered engineer on the throne, who doesn't need the others???
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@MetaEd Once the A. I. has become sufficiently strong, it won't need no more engineers!
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
We don't know that though
 
Mitch
Mitch
Presumably it has AI Engineer robots
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
I feel like that claim is a bit like 'a theory of everything'. Either there is one or there isn't, and the semi-serious pursuit of one by some physicists isn't any proof
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
we also have to imagine a completely automated robot bureaucracy, and robot army, and robot factory capable of building and repairing everything
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:59 PM
@Mitch Yes, and/or it won't need any engineering any more at some point.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus uh... you don't need AI for that. And why would a dictator delegate to an AI?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@MetaEd Well, if you replace enough people at the top, a revolt will become much harder. The more you replace, the harder it gets.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus useful, yes, popular? I'm saying it doesn't need to be a popular decision
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd That will be the AI's undoing
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. Then we have a different idea of how Putin works.
And nobody will launch anything without his permission, will he?
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
8:01 PM
@Mitch the whole idea is, at this point, impossible
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Because then nobody in government can revolt.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Were people polled on whether to bomb Japan? Maybe. What were the results?
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Cerberus I'd argue that many in government are revolting now
 
Mitch
Mitch
Except the AI itself, which will then create a Utopia for humans out of its engineered benevolence module.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@MetaEd I blame Texans
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
8:03 PM
@M.A.R. 1. The American people were not set against using nukes on Japan to end the war. 2. Society is completely different now, because people have much more information and communication.
@MetaEd Not enough, though.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I think... I think we don't want even more revolting politicians.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Alex Jones? Revolting yes, but he could have pulled a Prigozhin and never did
@Mitch they serve to stabilize our moral high ground
Like pillars. But revolting
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch It's not about what we want, but about what a dictator wants!
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
I thought he would want revolting engineers? Like no baths for a month
A pizza slice hanging down the lips
 
Mitch
Mitch
No making baths for a month? Or no taking baths for a month? Don't engineers already do the latter?
OK I'm workshopping a book. It's to help extroverts. They probably feel bad about being extroverted and want to try to tone it down. So here is a start:
> Do you enjoy coming into a room with nobody you know and joining any conversation? Don't worry, it's OK if you say yes. Some might think you may be rudely ingratiating yourself into other people's conversation, but instead think of that as your little superpower.
> Other people may also be like you and you could form a group together. Or other people may not be used to being interrupted and this gives them a chance to experience that. Your enthusiasm will definitely win you friends, and the person you interrupted will get over it I'm sure.
Here are some draft titles:
> It's OK to be an extrovert
How to survive being an extrovert
An extrovert? Make that your superpower!
Don't think of extroversion as a negative
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
8:20 PM
Haha I like it.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch make sure to include a section about how to shut up about denying climate change if you're an extrovert
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Maybe, Don't think of extraversion as negative only.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
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Q: Does the ratio of ¹⁴C in the atmosphere show that global warming is not due to fossil fuels?

CuriousIndeedI stumbled upon the following paper Skrable et al. (2022) The specific activity of ¹⁴C in the atmosphere gets reduced by a dilution effect when fossil CO₂, which is devoid of ¹⁴C, enters the atmosphere. We have used the results of this effect to quantify the two components. All results covering ...

climate-change atmosphere
It's 2023 already FFS
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I think I've seen actual books like this for introverts.
So this is like a diss tape.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
I should for my thesis try "Introversion is associated with 13% increased cardiac mortality as individuals are too introverted to express their heart attack openly to others."
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
8:30 PM
Sounds very scientific.
I wonder how the body knows how much it has eaten.
I praesume mouth, stomach, and guts work together?
The mouth remembers how much it has been chewing.
The stomach measures volume, possibly also what kind of food has been ingested based on some nutrients that are absorbed in the stomach already?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus hormones, mainly. Some neuronal transmission too. These hormones are released when parts of your esophagus come into contact with food, but much more importantly, when your stomach wall distends
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
The guts also measure volume, and what nutrients are being absorbed: but that should come too late?
@M.A.R. So the stomach measures volume?
But volume is not a good indicator?
Cf. a stomach full of spinach versus one full of half a bottle of sunflower oil.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Roughly. It's hard to think of food that's shaped a certain way to distend the muscles specially more by the time it's reached there
@Cerberus well, the taste of some foods inhibits the feeling of fullness a bit.
Part of how some 'herbal tonics' work (in the sense of appetizer)
Then you also have strong psychological responses that modulate the signals your stomach sends. Smelling good food means you eat more.
Then you have some ubiquitous hormones that affect hunger as well as doing a myriad of other things. Such as T3/T4.
 
Mitch
Mitch
> 7 Reasons It’s OK to Be an Extrovert
1. You were born that way
2. Some of the greatest people in history were extroverts.
3. Extroverts tend to be great leaders.
4. You form many relationships.
5. You have access to the wide world.
6. You have a bold power that commands respect.
7. It’s never been a better time to be an extrovert.

Being an Extrovert Is More Than OK — It’s a Strength
(I just copy pasted from that web page and changed some things)
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Depending on how specific you get, you can dig up as many reasons as you want
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:40 PM
@M.A.R. Whereas extroverts have 27% increased cardiac mortality from over-intervention due to ...
What I'm saying is they're complainers
loud obnoxious complainers
@M.A.R. Well that's what it looks like that web page did
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
It's okay. They were born that way.
If I ever go to a shooting range I'm gonna print that sentence on a paper and shoot at it
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. wha about blood glucose levels? Isn't there a hunger receptor for that?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch yeah. It's actually mostly insulin itself AFAIK, and its TyrK receptors. The insulin peak after 30 minutes of ingesting food is very effective at stopping you from eating more
What I'm saying is, it's okay to be hungry. You were born that way. You roaring in hunger commands respect.
 
Mitch
Mitch
What is the metabolic pathway for when people are in the middle of eating a meal and they talk about what they're gong to have at the next meal?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. What happens if you swallow lots of capsules containing oil?
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:46 PM
@Cerberus Do you like a lot of sunflower oil or don't you?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Don't!
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus capsules are made of gelatin which disintegrates in usually 15 minutes or less, often around 5 minutes only. But the volume of oil is too small. What you're thinking of is something like plant mucilage that absorbs water several times its own volume
They're great for weight loss because by the time they get there they're like a bag of water balloons already and you feel full
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. No, I meant, swallowing those capsules means you've eaten a ton of calories; but will your body know?
@M.A.R. I don't know, somehow I never feel full after eating plants.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus nope. Oils will go and be uptaken by the liver and then processed, which will take a few hours. No feeling of satiety, but for people who are a bit attuned to their physiology, say, athletes, they'll realize they've eaten something fatty because they'll feel a bit squeamish
@Cerberus what about psyllium?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. OK so when I feel full after eating fatty foods, it's because of my oesophagus/mouth?
@M.A.R. I've not tried it.
I think it is eaten like concentrated fibres?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
8:52 PM
Your stomach, and because of the carb content of the fatty food causing an insulin peak. Some fats are I suppose more easily 'digestible', so they'd contribute to the insulin peak too
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
How does the stomach know it contains fat, and/or that the fat contains many calories?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus suspend it in some water and drink it like some thick milkshake
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I feel full because of the fat, it seems, less because of the carbohydrates.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus some fat can already be absorbed by the stomach wall, but I don't think that plays a huge role. The body also definitely doesn't know that fat has many calories, it will only realize that several hours later when the liver will be flooded with Acyl-CoA, the main intermediate in cell energy production. Your brain however has deeply understood what fatty things taste like, feel like in the stomach and intestines, and what happens with overloading on them, so it takes action
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus So I take it spinach is a 👍?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
8:57 PM
@M.A.R. Ah, so the stomach can 'feel' fat?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
IOW, the unique aversion to eating too much butter as opposed to anything else isn't because of the calories per se, the body is not doing any calculations. The brain notes the general ill feeling of loading up with too many calories though
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch I like the flavour, though I get the weird sensation on my tongue, alas.
@M.A.R. Yeah that was of course my starting praemise, that there is no direct way to know how many calories a substance contains before you have digested it. So I was looking for the various ways in which our bodies aestimate it.
 
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