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1:55 AM
> Sales of perfumes ans cosmetics in Moscow are down by 12% year-on-year in cash terms in the first two weeks of June, with 18% less cheques.
> A major chain expects the demand to return to the prior levels at the end of 2023.
> Sales of used cars in the Bashkiria region in May are down by 26% y/y in terms of purchases ufatime.ru/news/2022/06/23/…
> An amendment has been introduced into the Russian Parliament that would allow 18-year olds to sign contracts with the Army right after school. At this point, one must at least finish a technical college, or serve 1.5 years in the Army as a conscript, before being allowed to sign a contract.
@tchrist In Russian, shuttlecock is volan (волан), from French volant
From volare, to fly.
English also has the word volant, it turns out
> Voici un oiseau volant.
Here's a flying bird.
2:58 AM
Hi @CowperKettle, btw why are you not on ELL anymore?
3:16 AM
@DialFrost Because there are few people in that chatroom. Snailplane is no longer there.
3:34 AM
@CowperKettle as in not participating in that site, and what's snailplane?
Btw hi tchirst (nice to meet a 100k) :P
@DialFrost Because I've exhausted my store of wisdom on that site.
It was not the widow's cruse.
It was but a shallow kettle of English knowledge.
& snailplane was a very active mod in that chat
with a full kettle of English knowledge :P
3:57 AM
@CowperKettle hmm I see
@CowperKettle born in 1970s wow your "old" :P
4:37 AM
@ConGovDeIn lolz
Now I get it. I know roman numbers a bit but couldn't understand the equation
@CowperKettle Netherlands 🤣 I thought they are going to top, only until Norway made grand entry!
5:01 AM
@Vikas The Netherlands probably introduced some incentives, and then dropped them.
Otherwise I cannot explain why Norway burst into first place. Or maybe it was Norway that introduced incentives after 2012
I'm still against personal cars. I would suppress them in cities, in favor of public transportation.
The Earth's resources are finite.
If a tram or a train takes less energy to operate, then it should be it.
> The rolling resistance of a hard, almost inflexible tram wheel, on a similarly inflexible track has a Coefficient of rolling resistance of approximately 0.001, approximately ten times lower than a bus tyre (0.01) and as much as twenty times lower than a correctly inflated car tyre on asphalt (0.02).
5:24 AM
@CowperKettle If you say that here in my town, people will surround you and will force you to change your views. And finally they will prove to you why car is a must. Some people think car is a must to become modern. And why not buy when they can afford it.
I cannot blame people
They just do what feels more natural to them.
My parents and neighbors often criticize me for not learning driving. Learn to drive is a good thing but I'm simply not ready for it. Further I don't think I'll need it for my needs any time soon. Biggest thing is I can't afford it. The market is only 2 Kms away and it doesn't make sense to go on car, alone, there.
Here, public transport can get you anywhere. And in Moscow, it's even better. It's all crisscrossed with public transport routes.
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6:38 AM
Word of the day: carveout (an exception to a legal provision)
> Last month, the US Treasury had let a key sanctions exemption expire. Ending the carve-out meant US investors would no longer be allowed to receive payments from Russia.
@DialFrost Yes. ))
The short form of the adjective old in Russian is star (стар, from the long form старый). Hence a joke that a really old person is superstar (суперстар, literally very old).
6:56 AM
The US Strategic Cheese Reserve, Missouri.
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8:02 AM
> #Worldle #156 1/6 (100%)
> Wordle 372 4/6

Could have gotten this in two guesses if I paid attention. Oh well.
8:44 AM
#Worldle #156 3/6 (100%)
Wordle 372 6/6

@M.A.R. I had a bad start but finished pretty well.
#Worldle #156 1/6 (100%)
This was not in Africa, so I solved it.
#Worldle #156 1/6 (100%)

A very characteristic shape.

Wordle 372 X/6


Hmm, I mad a few mistakes.
@CowperKettle I don't think there are national cheese reserves in France, but there are plenty of local ones:
The last one is a recycled disused railway tunnel.
9:04 AM
In Russia, imported cheeses were banned in 2014, but I'm not a connosseur, so I never noticed it.
I used to love "blue cheese", but after in vanished in 2014, it never greatly troubled me.
I'm worried by the exorbitant use of palm oil by Russian food producers.
It might be unhealthy.
@jlliagre I wonder how long cheese can be stored in such vaults
@jlliagre 😜
@CowperKettle why the ban?
@user4539917 Because of something that Russia did in 2014
Officially, in retalitation against the Evil West's sanctions against Poor Innocent Russia.
> In the Vladimir Region of Russia, a tractor was used to destroy 164 kg of imported cheese (2019)
I just read m o s s c o w supposed rebels...
> Destruction of illegally smuggled cheese in Krasnoyarsk, 2018
So the Russians really did not lose the taste for foreign cheese, based on multiple cases of this cheese being discovered by the police.
9:22 AM
supposed supported
<strike>strike tag</strike>
How do I make a word stricken through?
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@CowperKettle Actually, they are used to ripen the cheese. Depending on which one it is, they are stored for a few weeks to a couple of years or more for the ones like comté.
@CowperKettle Three dashes before and after: strike through
Yay! Thank you!
Merci beaucoup
Comté (or Gruyère de Comté) (French pronunciation: ​[kɔ̃.te]) is a French cheese made from unpasteurized cow's milk in the Franche-Comté region of eastern France bordering Switzerland and sharing much of its cuisine. Comté has the highest production of all French Appellation d'origine contrôlée (AOC) cheeses, at around 66,500 tonnes annually. It is classified as a Swiss-type or Alpine cheese. The cheese is made in discs, each between 40 cm (16 in) and 70 cm (28 in) in diameter, and around 10 cm (4 in) in height. Each disc weighs up to 50 kg (110 lb) with an FDM around 45%. The rind is usually a...
in Russian it's conte, with n instead of m
I learned a new word: terroir.
Terroir (, French: [tɛʁwaʁ]; from terre, "land") is a French term used to describe the environmental factors that affect a crop's phenotype, including unique environment contexts, farming practices and a crop's specific growth habitat. Collectively, these contextual characteristics are said to have a character; terroir also refers to this character.Some artisanal crops for which terroir is studied include wine, cider, coffee, tobacco, olive oil, chocolate, chili peppers, hops, agave (for making tequila and mezcal), tomatoes, heritage wheat, maple syrup, tea, and cannabis. Terroir is the basis of...
Reign of Terroir
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12:57 PM
@CowperKettle Good cheese for fondue.
#Worldle #156 1/6 (100%)
Wordle 372 4/6
St. Andrew the Ent?
The Spanish Burgundy cross, from here.
> The basic pattern of a saltire raguly couped Gules, or plainly speaking a red saltire resembling two crossed, roughly-pruned branches, on a usually white field (but also blue, purpure etc.), was the Spanish military flag from the 16th century up to 1843, when the colours of the 1785 War Ensign were adopted for use on land too.

The saltire was originally a Burgundian emblem, first introduced in Spain as the personal badge of Phillip the Handsome (Felipe el Hermoso), Duke of Burgundy and King Consort of Castile and Aragon, having married Joan of Castile and Aragon (daughter of the Catholic
Which I eventually came to from here:
Franco Condado (en francés: Franche-Comté) es una región histórica y cultural del este de Francia, situada entre Suiza y la región cultura de Borgoña, y es una antigua región administrativa,. Limita al norte con Alsacia, Lorena y Champaña-Ardenas y al sur, con Ródano-Alpes. Desde un punto de vista geográfico e histórico, su territorio corresponde aproximadamente al del antiguo condado de Borgoña.[1]​ Se la reconoce tanto por sus paisajes y monumentos, como por sus industrias y el elevado respeto por la naturaleza. == Geografía física == La superficie de esta región es de 16.190 km², dividida en…
> El nombre de Franco Condado no aparece oficialmente hasta 1478, hablándose anteriormente del Condado de Borgoña. Se distingue de la Borgoña ducal o francesa, a diferencia de la cual recibe también las denominaciones históricas de Borgoña condal o Borgoña española.

La tradición cuenta que el conde borgoñón Reginaldo III de Borgoña (c. 1093-1148) se negó a rendir tributo al Sacro Emperador, lo cual le dio el sobrenombre de «Franco Condado», en francés Franche Comté, (entiéndase, el condado exento del pago de impuestos).
Because of the "county cheese" referenced earlier in chat.
The whole "Joan" thing is weird.
Whether in the case of Juana la Loca (as above) or with Jeanne d'Arc.
Reginald III (French: Renaud; c. 1087 – 1148), son of Stephen I and Beatrice of Lorraine, was the count of Burgundy between 1127 and 1148. Previously, he had been the count of Mâcon since his father's death in 1102, with his brother, William of Vienne. He proclaimed independence from Emperor Lothair III, but was defeated by King Conrad III of Germany and forced to relinquish all his lands east of the Jura. The name of the region Franche-Comté is derived from his title, franc-compte, meaning "free count". About 1130, Reginald married Agatha, daughter of Duke Simon I of Lorraine. They had a daughter...
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4:39 PM
@CowperKettle @Vikas It's a shame the Indian morons couldn't figure out who the real enemy was.
@FaheemMitha John Company?
@Robusto Pardon?
The real enemy was the British?
@Robusto Who else?
Just clarifying.
4:44 PM
Indians have perfected the art of quarrelling among themselves, while ignoring the real dangers. They're still doing it today. Some people just never learn.
@Robusto OK.
Of course, this is anything but uncommon human behavior. Unfortunately.
Of course, one could argue all of Bach is oddly soothing. It's not clear why it is. But it is.
@FaheemMitha True. We insist on having our petty human squabbles while the whole planet is under attack from our mere presence.
@FaheemMitha Yes. Even more soothing to play. It's like having a mental shower.
@Robusto Yes, that's another example.
@Robusto I never had that pleasure. I never really learned a musical instrument. When I was young my mother tried to get me to learn the guitar. The Spanish guitar. But it never really took.
And the Goldberg Variations are among the most soothing pieces ever. They were created to ease someone's mind sufficiently to sleep.
@Robusto Hah. Who said that?
@FaheemMitha It takes work. You have to practice for quite a while before you can stand your own playing.
@FaheemMitha Goldberg did. He commissioned the piece for that purpose.
4:49 PM
@Robusto Well, that's true of a lot of things. The 5000 hour rule. Or something like that.
@Robusto Oh, interesting. I did not know that.
The Goldberg Variations, BWV 988, is a musical composition for keyboard by Johann Sebastian Bach, consisting of an aria and a set of 30 variations. First published in 1741, it is named after Johann Gottlieb Goldberg, who may also have been the first performer of the work. == Composition == The story of how the variations came to be composed comes from an early biography of Bach by Johann Nikolaus Forkel: [For this work] we have to thank the instigation of the former Russian ambassador to the electoral court of Saxony, Count Kaiserling, who often stopped in Leipzig and brought there with him the...
Goldberg was the keyboardist who played the piece to his boss, a Russian Count.
@Robusto The Wikipedia page disputes the story.
Yeah, the killjoys.
I grew up hearing that story, and it was such a good story. If I have to relinquish it I will, but it will cost me a part of my childhood.
I find Bach choral music particularly soothing.
It can be. Or it can be invigorating.
4:52 PM
I like choral music generally. Though I came to it very late in life. (Relatively speaking.)
@Robusto Yes, it's a good story.
One feels that it should be true.
Yes. It has a curiously lulling quality. The piece, that is.
@Robusto Yes, it does. Though I find much of Bach very calming. He's my goto when I'm feeling particularly stressed.
Yes. Much, but not all.
The B-minor Mass wakes me right up.
So do many of the keyboard/organ works.
@Robusto Yes, the B-minor Mass isn't particularly soothing.
Have you hear the Goldberg Variations on the harpsichord? Here's a masterful performance:
5:00 PM
@Robusto Just for clarity, what is the instrument being played in that link I posted?
I didn't see that you had posted a link. Let me look.
It sounds rather like I imagine a harpsichord would. But it looks more like a piano. Or maybe an organ?
Haha, yes, that is a harpsichord.
Actually, I'm not sure what harpsichords look like.
@Robusto Oh, OK. I thought they were smaller.
A harpsichord (Italian: clavicembalo, French: clavecin, German: Cembalo, Spanish: clavecín, Portuguese: cravo, Dutch: klavecimbel, Polish: klawesyn) is a musical instrument played by means of a keyboard. This activates a row of levers that turn a trigger mechanism that plucks one or more strings with a small plectrum made from quill or plastic. The strings are under tension on a soundboard, which is mounted in a wooden case; the soundboard amplifies the vibrations from the strings so that the listeners can hear it. Like a pipe organ, a harpsichord may have more than one keyboard manual, and even...
5:03 PM
@Robusto Huh. I imagined something quite different.
I've played harpsichords from time to time. Very different from a piano. You really have to get used to the touch.
Also that you can't crescendo/decrescendo, etc. They're all about terraced dynamics.
In music, the dynamics of a piece is the variation in loudness between notes or phrases. Dynamics are indicated by specific musical notation, often in some detail. However, dynamics markings still require interpretation by the performer depending on the musical context: for instance, the forte marking f (meaning loud) in one part of a piece might have quite different objective loudness in another piece or even a different section of the same piece. The execution of dynamics also extends beyond loudness to include changes in timbre and sometimes tempo rubato. == Purpose and interpretation ...
@Robusto I see.
BTW, the harpsichord playing in your link is excellent. As are all the renditions put out by the Netherlands Bach Society. If I were religious I would say God bless them.
@Robusto Yes, the young man playing seems like an expert, whoever he is.
@Robusto By the way, commiserations, for whatever they are worth, for you and other Americans, for you-know-what yesterday.
@FaheemMitha Thanks. Yeah, fascism and autocracy seem to be closing in. The good guys seem to be losing our own political Peloponnesian War.
BTW, here is an example of terraced dynamics and how they are played using the different manuals of the harpsichord. (Prime example at about mark 1:30.)
5:14 PM
@Robusto Things aren't going well here either. Though for India that's about par for the course, unfortunately.
@FaheemMitha Yeah. It appears that Modi is your version of Trump.
@Robusto Not really very close. But regardless, he's dreadful.
No, not close. But to your misfortune he is smarter than Trump.
@Robusto Arguably more cunning. Definitely much more politically experienced. He also has serious backing, particularly financial. Very unfortunate for India.
BTW, listen to the second movement of Schornsheim's version of the Italian Concerto, then contrast it with the Kirkpatrick version. The latter uses muted "lute" stops as the accompanying instrumentation.
5:17 PM
Trump isn't (or at least, wasn't) really a politician. He was just a bizarre accident.
I suppose he has some experience now, though.
Though a country like India is well-nigh perfect for a Fascist-type takeover. I've actually been wondering recently why it didn't happen earlier.
I guess part of the answer is the erstwhile dominance of the Congress Party. Who are, however, dominant no longer.
So what will Modi's Reign of Terror look like?
@Robusto We're probably already having one.
Will it get worse?
People keep getting arrested and locked up for no reason. He's not yet got to his major political opponents, but he seems to be working up to it.
@Robusto Oh, most definitely.
Very sad.
5:20 PM
Very sad that India is also having camps
@FaheemMitha What do the polls say?
@Robusto For India, yes. For the rest of the world, also bad news. Though people outside India don't seem to notice much.
@Cerberus Which polls?
You said Congress is no longer dominant?
@Robusto Currently they're trying to overthrow the Maharashtra State government. This is their second attempt in the last few years.
@FaheemMitha Overthrow it how? With violence, or political maneuvering?
5:22 PM
@Cerberus That's correct, yes. They'll been losing everywhere for years now.
@Robusto Political maneuvering. Well, the usual way is to buy the politicians.
Offer them money and stuff (presumably) to switch sides. This happens a lot.
Oh, the Schornsheim's version also uses lute stops. I'm batting 0.00 today on my comparisons. I shouldn't make glib pronouncements.
The current Maharashtra govt is a coalition govt of 3 parties (NCP, Congress, Shiv Sena). They're going after the Shiv Sena, because they are the easiest.
@Robusto OK, will do.
If in a classroom there are 50 students, 40 of them are of blood group A, and 10 of blood group B. Any kind of support to blood group A will be termed as fascism.
Very sad for India.
@ConGovDeIn I don't follow.
Sorry. I take my words back.
5:27 PM
Yeah, what does that have to do with the price of anthracite coal? ;)
Do I really have to or just saying so will do the job?
@Robusto Fascism :)
Anthracite is more in demand = fascism
More investment of money in mining of good quality coal is fascism
@FaheemMitha I can't really find any polls for the next election.
@Cerberus Well, there are state elections periodically. There will be a general election in 2024.
I think we always have polls published.
The Nazis idiots just won in UP. Which wasn't really surprising, but is unfortunate. So that mad Hundi monk can continue to make a mess there. As though things weren't bad enough.
@Cerberus There are plenty of articles online. Are you looking for something in particular?
5:33 PM
Just a poll for the next general and/or presidential election.
A bit before that, they lost in Bengal. Despite giving it their best shot. There aren't many states now that are not under their control.
Or a summary of it.
Maharashtra is (or used to be) one of them.
@Cerberus I'm not sure I follow. You are asking for polls for a future election?
Yes, how can that not be clear?
Do you mean opinion polls?
5:34 PM
Yes, what else?
@Cerberus Oh, sorry, I wasn't sure.
Is this not a familiar concept in India?
Surely you are familiar with such polls from other countries?
@Cerberus I don't know about that. But it does seem that the Nazi idiots are favorites. They have all the advantages.
@Cerberus Yes, we have opinion polls here, though I don't think they're considered terribly important. Or reliable. At any rate, I don't see them frequently. Though I also don't go looking for them.
Polls asking people what they would vote.
In the run-up to the next Dutch general election, various organisations are carrying out opinion polling to gauge voting intentions in the Netherlands. Results of such polls are displayed in this list. The date range for these opinion polls are from the previous general election, held on 15 to 17 March 2021, to the present day. The next election is scheduled for March 2025. Snap elections occur fairly frequently in the Netherlands, having most recently occurred in 2012. Four main pollsters perform opinion polls on voting intentions in the Netherlands, these being: I&O Research, Ipsos, Kantar and...
Part of the problem is (a) getting people to answer honestly (b) the assumption is that people have made up their minds. Whereas a lot of Indian voters vote for whoever gives them a handout. In India, buying elections can be quite literal.
@Cerberus Yes, I understand what you mean.
@Cerberus People in the Netherlands may have a better idea of what's going on. They might also be more likely to vote on the issues.
Also, it's perhaps a bit early to be polling for a 2024 election.
5:39 PM
So polls do not exist in India?
I would find that very odd.
I can't think of any other democracy without polls.
@Robusto If you want an sense on how things are going in India, you could do worse than check the news for the island of Lakshadweep. For example, search for ""lakshadweep and the bjp".
@Cerberus I never said that. I'm sure they do exist. I personally don't notice them much.
@Cerberus Calling India a democracy is kind of pushing it.
Then again, most countries referred to democracies don't really qualify either.
@FaheemMitha You mean the looming inundation?
Oh, BJP.
@Robusto inundation?
@FaheemMitha By 2035 80% of the islands are expected to be under water.
@Robusto So, that bearded freak sent one of his people to Lakshadweep. And that creature has made quite a mess, by all accounts.
I think it's quite representative of how things are in India, these days. One imagines the actually Nazis would not have behaved very differently.
@Robusto Which islands?
@Robusto That's one issue...
@Robusto Sorry, I don't follow. Is that supposed to be related to something?
I have a feeling Modi is displaying overly nationalist and authoritarian tendencies.
5:45 PM
@Cerberus You feel correctly.
And his anti-Islamism is part of that.
@Robusto Oh, I didn't know that. Those poor islanders.
@FaheemMitha I don't know. You're making me look up Lakshadweep and BJP, and there are a lot of different avenues for that. Maybe just state the problem for those of us who know nothing at all?
At least seems Bolsonaro really seems to be on his way out.
@Robusto OK, I'll post a link. Give ma a few minutes.
5:47 PM
@Cerberus That would be a blessing.
Today I learned, non-Muslims are not allowed in Kaba
Can’t non-Muslims see that sacred cube? (Is it exactly a cube?)
@Robusto This isn't a particularly good article, but article-14.com/post/…
See for example, at the end:
A proposed “goonda Act” can keep people in jail without trial, even when if no crime has been committed.

On 21 May, dairy farms run by the local government were ordered shut; all animals are to be auctioned by 31 May.
@FaheemMitha OK, so the split that begat Pakistan didn't solve the issue?
@FaheemMitha Wow, that is certainly fascism in action.
5:51 PM
@Robusto That's unrelated.
Perhaps you're thinking of J&K?
@Robusto That's just the last two items on that list. Which may itself not be comprehensive.
I think what Robusto means is: the split was supposed to give peace to Hindus and Muslims.
Yes. This.
By giving each groups its own country.
Cf. East Pakistan.
By giving one group both the countries
@Cerberus The split was so Indian Muslims could have their own country. It wasn't supposed to give peace to anyone, and didn't.
Also, it was a Very Bad Idea. One we can thank the British for, as for so many other things.
But there are still many Muslims in India.
The Lakshadweep thing just struck me as a very nasty move against people who weren't in a position to defend themselves. Quite revealing, I'd say.
5:56 PM
I noticed them yesterday at same time 🤣
@FaheemMitha Why was it a very bad idea?
Because the split wasn't tight enough, with many Muslims still in India?
@Cerberus Ah, well that's not an easy question to answer in short.
I voted to None of the Above last week in my local elections.
@FaheemMitha Well, if you make the assertion, you kind of owe it to us to explain that.
@Vikas that implies you should contest the elections :)
5:59 PM
The British wanted to give India a ready-made enemy to quarrel with next door. Who better than a Muslim nation? And both India and Pakistan have been remarkably cooperative in carrying out the British wishes. It must gladden Mountbatten's heart, if he is looking on from whatever place he is in.
@Robusto It's been extensively discussed, but see above.
See "above"?
You mean search through chat?
@Robusto The sentence immediately above, starting with "The British wanted to give India".
@ConGovDeIn No way. There's a dialogue in Hindi movie. Don't enter politics. It is like mud. Once you enter you can't escape.
It's no secret what the British were doing. I expect everyone knew, even at the time.
@FaheemMitha Yeah, that's not really "extensively" but I get what you're getting at now.
6:01 PM
How many ceiling lights do you still keep ON when going to sleep: (a) one (b) two (c) three (d) None of the Above
@Robusto I didn't mean extensively discussed here. I meant, generally.
There is a lot about it on the net, I'm sure.
None of the Above @Vikas
The British pretended to be concerned about the future of Indian Muslims, and thought they "deserved" their own home. ROTFL.
You have to understand that we see almost no news about India. Even The Economist seldom focuses on it to any great extent.
But I don't think anyone was buying. Everyone knows what the British were and are.
@Robusto I'm aware. But there is Indian media directly available on the net. Though it's mostly crap, admittedly.
6:04 PM
If two fishes are fighting in water, a Britisher must have passed by a few minutes ago
Honestly I will vote for Modi if he corrects the Jammu and Kashmir border. I mean, show the present/actual border instead of what we claim. Enough teaching false borders to kids in schools. I know it's not easy because it will need to convince China and Pakistan too (maybe they will disagree?) but that is the challenge for Modi.
@ConGovDeIn Are you Indian? Your profile doesn't state.
Umm... I’m Nobody
I’m lignite
@ConGovDeIn d)
@Vikas So, let’s go. Share your dreams with me tomorrow, pal. None of the above.
6:06 PM
I can't sleep with lights on.
@ConGovDeIn I have terrible dreams usually 😂
We can have them tomorrow :)
@Robusto Counterpunch has some Indian coverage. It's mostly reasonable to good. Unfortunately they don't seem to do tagging. The Guardian has a fair amount. And the New York Times has some.
Though you're probably better off reading Indian sources directly. Frontline is a good place to go if you want the unvarnished stuff. But they're paywalled.
But it's got good coverage, and they speak their mind. For example, they had an issue about the Demonetization disaster which was quite good. Almost the whole issue was devoted to it.
That one I actually purchased on a newstand.
Ah, newsstands. You can sample the milk without buying the whole cow.
I remember sitting in a doctor's office some years ago, reading an article in Frontline about the sex trade in India. It was quite horrific.
6:21 PM
The Economist had a recent in-depth article on India—opportunities, future, relation to West, China, Russia, etc.
You solved it in 68 guesses
Your accuracy was 66.18%
You have solved 21 consecutive Redactles
That was on Redactle 81.

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