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2:12 AM
Word of the day: sutler "person who follows an army to sell food to soldiers," 1580s, from Middle Dutch soeteler "small tradesman, peddler, victualer, camp cook" (Dutch zoetelaar), cognate with Middle Low German suteler, sudeler "person who performs dirty tasks," Middle High German sudelen "to cook badly," Middle Dutch soetelen "to cook badly."
I wonder if there is still a cognate word in Dutch.
 
2:39 AM
@Cerberus the really lethal ones have had several things happen at once IIRC, earthquake followed by tsunamis followed by fires
 
3:09 AM
@Cerberus Yeah it seems too simple to be a thing, but with good tomatoes, as @Xanne said, it's great
@M.A.R. I don't doubt the mistake was made numerous independent times. What I'm pretty sure is that no one said "Hm... this milk going bad, that makes you sick... let's just give it a little more time"
@Robusto Sure totally. It just feels new to me when I hear women use it with each other. 20 years ago is new to me.
Aug 1 '21 at 21:22, by Mitch
@M.A.R. oh the youth of today. I'm still feeling like 1995 is in the future.
 
 
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5:03 AM
@M.A.R. That would make sense, though I think tsunamis are often preceded by earthquakes and followed by fires...
@Mitch OK I wish to revise my response: with good tomatoes, good olive oil, and salt, it can be delicious.
Do you add salt?
 
 
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7:39 AM
-9°C today
 
8:07 AM
Nice tram, the model is newer than those that I see in my part of the city.
The hut where runners gather before the weekly run on Saturdays.
Quite large inside and warm. You can change your clothes, and there are tables and benches to drink tea and have some snacks.
 
 
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11:01 AM
> "Your eyes look red." said the cop. "Have you been smoking weed?"
"Your eyes look glazed." I replied. "Have you been eating donuts?"
 
 
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1:26 PM
Does anyone of you read books on Kindle?
@CowperKettle glazed?
 
1:41 PM
@Cerberus Yes, definitely
 
 
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3:48 PM
@Mitch I am relieved.
 
@Cerberus I struggled with the answer so your relief is well earned
 
@Mitch Oh, dear, how could you have struggled??
 
depends pn the salt
 
Oh?
 
well
that sort of implies there are los of possibilities for having salt and only one for not.
but
i felt bad for 'not'
I wanted to give him a fighting chance
When it's pretty obvious
one would never entertain the possibility of no salt unless you were entirely out of salt
 
My sister was a figure skating coach in New Delhi
When she visited Yekaterinburg, she went to the rink and did some jumps and figures. I only managed to ride in circles, not even managing the reversed ride, in which you ride with your back forwards.
 
Russians seem to have an affinity for ice sports.
@CowperKettle Me, I played pond hockey during the winter. You have to be able to skate backwards, especially on defense.
This was when I was a kid, of course.
 
In Noyabrsk, were was an open rink near my house, and they played hockey there often. We crawled on top of the changing shed and watched.
It was all made of wood, the rink.
 
We shoveled the snow off of a section of a lake. That was our rink.
Bring your skates, bring a shovel.
 
And on the morning of a big game they installed tall poles flying flags of the Soviet republics, it looked nice on a sunny day, very festive.
 
4:17 PM
Yeah, nothing that formal for us.
We would go out and play and not come home till dinner time.
 
I forgot the name for the shed where players in baseball or hockey usually spend their time while not in play.
 
In baseball it's a dugout.
 
Also called "the bench."
 
This is the standard type of open skating rink in Russia.
 
4:20 PM
I never played organized hockey, but I think that area is still called "the bench" as well.
 
We also used lawn tennis on it in the summers, although the roughness of the alphalt made the ball make unpredictable moves.
 
This is what a pond hockey "rink" looks like.
If the puck goes out of bounds it's like basketball. Whoever touched it last, the puck goes to the other side.
Nowadays they have proper rinks for the kids. And people play all year around.
 
And then we got lucky and my dad with friends created the first lawn tennis club of Noyabrsk at the indoor gymnasium of the city's first heating station.
That was luxury.
We woke up at 3 or 4 am, and went to play tennis.
Then we returned, and I went to school by 8 am.
 
@Mitch Agreed.
Poor not.
 
@CowperKettle I was never a tennis player. Basketball was my game.
 
4:25 PM
First school pupils in Noyabrsk, 1979. The shirts are so 1970s
 
As are the haircuts.
 
There was only a single school in 1978.
School No. 1.
I went to School No. 6.
Yes, the hippie haircuts.
 
Very hip.
 
Not really. Those were leisure-suit styles.
The hippie haircut was no haircut at all.
 
And young people loved to make their trousers have bell-ends.
 
4:27 PM
Some schools here also have numbers, such as "the 3rd Montessori" in Amsterdam.
 
Which irked the state.
 
And we also have "the 4th Gymnasium".
 
@CowperKettle Called "bell bottoms."
 
Hence a lot of anti-hippie cartoons in Soviet press.
 
And we still have "the C Quarter" in Utrecht, because of the divisions made under French law in Napoleonic times.
 
4:29 PM
@Cerberus Interesting
@Cerberus We have a "Montessori school" near my house, well, about 400 meters
 
That's close.
 
For kids, under the "Montessori system"
 
I went to a Montessori primary school.
 
The Montessori method of education is a system of education for young children that seeks to develop natural interests and activities rather than use formal teaching methods. It was developed by physician Maria Montessori. It emphasizes independence and it views children as naturally eager for knowledge and capable of initiating learning in a sufficiently supportive and well-prepared learning environment. It discourages some conventional measures of achievement, such as grades and tests. Montessori developed her theories in the early twentieth century through scientific experimentation with her...
I read about this method a long time ago.
I hope it's good and not a fad
 
@Cerberus I went to a parochial school—the diametric opposite of Montessori.
@CowperKettle It's been around for a century, so hardly a fad.
 
4:32 PM
@Robusto Hmm opposite in what way?
Very old fashioned, I praesume?
@CowperKettle It is quite old now.
 
@Cerberus Educational philosophy. Montessori is constructivist, my school was didactic and punitive.
 
I think it can be good when applied well. It wasn't in my school.
@Robusto Ah, when and how were you punished?
 
@Cerberus Whenever and wherever. Rulers on the knuckles, being forced to kneel on the floor. In high school you could get whipped with a leather belt, or some other instrument of torture.
 
Slapping with rulers on the knuckles?
 
Yes.
You could be forced to kneel on your knuckles as well.
 
4:36 PM
We did not have organized kinds of punishment. A particularly nasty teacher might strike a metallic ruler on your desk if you were talking with friends during a lesson.
 
Nowadays parents would sue the school for that shit.
 
Some teacher might take a schoolboy by the ear and throw him out of the class for being nasty, to the glee of the class.
 
But in those days people thought it was all contributing to a wholesome, Christian education.
@CowperKettle I got thrown out of class more than once.
 
And in the first 3 years of school we had a teacher who would make us all stand in the isles right in the middle of the lesson, if we were unruly. Then she gave a short harangue to make us penitent. She told that we made her lose 5 minutes of teaching, and in these 5 minutes, the Soviet Industry produced 100 cars, 200 washing machines, etc. And shame on us!
 
Apr 6 '11 at 1:33, by Robusto
Did I ever tell you about the time I got kicked out of Religion class for using logic?
 
4:39 PM
This could only work on small children, it would not impress those in the upper classes, starting from 4th.
I returned home and told my mom that the Soviet Industry produced a huge amounts of useful goods in just 5 minutes. She and dad laughed a bit. They were quite antiSoviet.
 
Jun 14 '21 at 14:00, by Robusto
If anyone's curious about what a Catholic prep school was like in the '60s, the film Heaven Help Us gives a very accurate portrayal.
...
 
@Robusto Oh, did you study different religions, or only the Christian faith?
 
@CowperKettle We studied Catholicism.
 
@Robusto I will look up this movie.
 
A scene from it.
 
4:43 PM
Maybe they allowed for some breadth of opinion, this being 1960s?
@Robusto Did they wear these dresses in your school?
 
@CowperKettle That was called a cassock or a robe, not a dress. And yes, just like that.
 
A "Patience" hand slapper.
No, we clearly did not have such.
 
@CowperKettle Supposed to be funny, I guess.
 
Our Literature teacher moved from Central Asia, and she told us that some schoolboys in Tajikistan were just wild. They literally tried to inflict violence on her.
 
That scene was not an exaggeration, by the way.
 
4:54 PM
@Robusto Do you think it was traumatic for children?
 
@Cerberus It was traumatic for me. I was a child then.
 
OK.
Was it also done simply because you gave a wrong answer, or only for misbehaviour?
 
My worst memories from school are from pupils being violent and grouping into gangs. Kind of almost criminal gangs. And robbing each other. And going for walks late in the evenings to beat up some passer-by, just for the fun of it.
 
@Cerberus It depended on the mood of the teacher. Some days you could get away with a lot, some days anything you did set them off.
 
@CowperKettle This would be good for people to know. So that they do not think society was all happy and neat, and now it's decaying, or something.
@Robusto Most unfortunate.
 
4:59 PM
It all went off the cliff in the fall of 1992. Very suddenly. It was no longer safe just to go to a market square from school to buy some sunflower seeds. Me and my friend were stopped, made to open our schoolcases, and robbed.
And people were passing by, making no attempt to notice.
Safety disintegrated.
 
Hmm so it was much safer during communism?
The West handled the opening of Eastern Europe in a radically wrong way.
Extreme Neo-Liberalism ravaged its economy.
Otherwise, Russia might have become more democratic.
 
@Cerberus Yes, and it all vanished in a year.
 
In the rest of Eastern Europe, the damage was also massive.
 
Not that it was safer during communism, but I would say maybe during the last 30 years of communism.
 
And still is.
@CowperKettle Ah OK.
It was worse in the fifties?
 
5:03 PM
There were different periods in the USSR. My father said they were afraid going from school to home, and went in groups, in the 1950s.
There were robbers and kilers.
 
Hmm what changed in the sixties?
 
@Cerberus Yes, my dad said in the 1950s kids carried knuckle dusters and went around in groups, not to be beaten up or killed.
@Cerberus Maybe the general living standards improved.
The Southern Urals where he lived was a post-GULAG land.
 
@Cerberus Well, so did the East.
 
And in 1954, the GULAG was shut down, and a lot of political and criminal prisoners flooded the streets.
I can imagine what would happen in North Korea once it falls apart. Gangs.
By the way, a lot of criminals were let go right after Stalin's death.
And crime rates went up like Omicron charts.
There is a movie "The Cold Summer of 1953" describing the horror.
 
Were they criminals before they were sent to the GULAG? Or just political prisoners?
 
5:06 PM
@Robusto No, they were criminal criminals.
Stalin's immediate successor Beria had ideas of drastically cutting down state expenses, of letting people have more land in private property, of withdrawing some Soviet troops from Europe
He just did it very instantly.
And was ousted and shot.
The Cold Summer of 1953 (Russian: Холодное лето пятьдесят третьего…, romanized: Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego) is a 1988 Soviet crime film directed by Aleksandr Proshkin. It was the last film of the Soviet actor Anatoly Papanov. == Plot == Summer 1953. After Stalin's death, one of his closest colleagues, First Deputy Premier and head of the MVD Lavrenty Beria, announces an amnesty for non-political prisoners and for political prisoners sentenced to not more than 5 years. As a result, many dangerous criminals are freed from labor camps. They organise gangs and begin to rob, kill and rape. In...
> Summer 1953. After Stalin's death, one of his closest colleagues, First Deputy Premier and head of the MVD Lavrenty Beria, announces an amnesty for non-political prisoners and for political prisoners sentenced to not more than 5 years. As a result, many dangerous criminals are freed from labor camps. They organise gangs and begin to rob, kill and rape.
 
@Robusto What do you mean?
The West pushed the East into extreme capitalism.
 
Stalin had a lot of super-expensive projects, like turning rivers into different channels in CEntral Asia, and he hogged up loads of prisoners for this. Beria slashed the projects, and released prisoners haphazardly. To improve his popularity with the people. But God was he haphazard.
 
Destroying much of its industry and society.
 
@Cerberus So Russia bears no responsibility for any of that?
 
For instance: Transpolar railway.
In the far, far north.
Beria slashed the project, and tens of thousands of prisoners were left just sitting on their hands. Instead of doing at least some work.
 
5:11 PM
@Robusto Well, Russia made the East into its weak 1980s self. So of course Russia did that. But I wonder, why do you ask?
 
@Cerberus Because you said it was the West's fault, presumably entirely, for what happened when the Soviet Union collapsed.
11 mins ago, by Cerberus
The West handled the opening of Eastern Europe in a radically wrong way.
 
Yes, it did that is a completely wrong way.
Historians and economists agree on that, it was devastating.
 
"The West handled the opening of Eastern Europe in a radically wrong way." - probably because 1) Nobody expected it all to collapse in a moment. 2) There were no experts on handling it in any way, haha.
 
They should have a) not introduced capitalism so radical, and b) introduced it much more gradually.
 
There was the Yabloko party in Russia, it proposed a very good gradual reform. But the Russian people did not vote for it.
 
5:14 PM
But what they did instead was completely ignore the socio-economic interests of the actual people of Eastern Europe.
 
How exactly did the West "introduce" capitalism?
 
It only gained some 7% of the vote at its peak. You cannot push a reform through with 7% of vote.
 
They didn't care whether what they did would cause massive unemployment and the collapse of industry.
 
RUssian people voted in their droves for the Communist Party in 1993, and for the Quasi-nationalistic LDPR party.
How could the West mend that.
 
@CowperKettle Unfortunately, it was the time of Neo-Liberalism in the West. So economists and ministers thought this was a good idea.
 
5:15 PM
My friends said "We voted LDPR, because its leader said that Russian soldiers will wash their jackboots in the Indian Ocean, after re-conquering Central Asia and capturing India." This was the idiotic mood among many in 1993.
@Cerberus Yes, the Chicago shool of economics
They thought that the more liberal, the better.
 
Yeah.
 
@Cerberus Actually, it was the time of neo-Conservatism in the West. In America, at least.
This is when the neocons took over.
 
Yes, which went hand in hand with Neo-Liberalism.
It was the same movement, and still is.
 
Today in Putin's Russia, the Chicago School of Economics is represented as a Western monster that plotted the throwing of Russia into the abyss, so that it become fractured and die. Like in the Lord of the Rings, some horrible creature of the deep.
 
That is probably not true.
It was more like the invasion of Iraq: not entirely ill intentioned, but misguided and careless.
> For public relation Hungary reconstructed 200m of the iron curtain so it could be cut during an official ceremony by Hungarian foreign minister Gyula Horn, and Austrian foreign minister Alois Mock, on 27 June 1989
 
5:19 PM
Yes, I think so too.
 
Funny?
 
Well, for public relations, Russian Empress Catherine reconstructed whole fake villages ))) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
 
@Cerberus I'm not sure I follow.
 
I signed a petition against invasion of Iraq back in 2003, although I was so happy then people later toppled his statue and slapped it with their slippers.
Because it was so blatanly clear that the whole "hidden weapons" stuff was invented.
If you want regime change, start with North Korea, it's much harsher.
 
@CowperKettle It is quite literally hell on earth.
 
5:23 PM
The problem is, there is no World Court. The international relationships between states are in anarchy.
Today the USA is the strongest, tomorrow some other state.
So there is nobody to gather and decide which country to "democratize".
 
@Robusto The likes of Thatcher and Reagan are Neo-Conservatives and Neo-Liberals, aren't they?
 
The former, not the latter.
 
@CowperKettle We all celebrate those!
@Robusto They are basically primary examples of Neo-Liberalism in politics, I should say.
 
@CowperKettle I thought Potemkin constructed those to please Catherine. She didn't do it.
 
Ah, yes
 
5:28 PM
> When the term [N-L] entered into common use in the 1980s in connection with Augusto Pinochet's economic reforms in Chile, it quickly took on negative connotations and was employed principally by critics of market reform and laissez-faire capitalism. Scholars tended to associate it with the theories of Mont Pelerin Society economists Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and James M. Buchanan, along with politicians and policy-makers such as Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan.
Neoliberalism, or neo-liberalism, is a term used to describe the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with free-market capitalism.: 7  A significant factor in the rise of conservative and libertarian organizations, political parties, and think tanks, and predominately advocated by them, it is generally associated with policies of economic liberalization, including privatization, deregulation, globalization, free trade, austerity and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society; however, the defining features...
 
OK, conservative in politics but "liberal" in promoting capitalism.
 
Yes, Neo-Liberalism is mostly economic liberalism.
There are some conexions with personal freedom and social liberalism, but the term is mainly used when discussing economic policies, and the function of the state in the economy.
 
5:54 PM
Shops reopened yesterday.
 
> Augustine was from the beginning a brilliant student, with an eager intellectual curiosity, but he never mastered Greek[72] – he tells us his first Greek teacher was a brutal man who constantly beat his students, and Augustine rebelled and refused to study.
His Greek teacher was too enthusiastic with his Patience hand paddle.
 
 
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@CowperKettle That was one reaction to that kind of abuse.
 

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