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SmokeDetector

00:30

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (71): fix grammatical or spelling errors ► clarify meaning without changing it ► correct minor mistakes ► add related resources or links ✏️ by kkk on english.SE

SmokeDetector

05:40

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (71): Is there a book or website or software with core English words that allow you to understand every English word? ✏️ by kkk on english.SE

CowperKettle

08:29

I'm more curious as to what is meant by "get a hair off her unpercieved" in the sentence above. What part of woman goes by the term of "her unpercieved" here?

Casu martzu

Casu martzu (Sardinian pronunciation: [ˈkazu ˈmaɾtsu]; literally 'rotten/putrid cheese'), sometimes spelled casu marzu, and also called casu modde, casu cundídu and casu fràzigu in Sardinian language, is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese that contains live insect larvae (maggots). A variation of the cheese, casgiu merzu, is also produced in some Southern Corsican villages like Sartene.Derived from pecorino, casu martzu goes beyond typical fermentation to a stage of decomposition, brought about by the digestive action of the larvae of the cheese fly of the Piophilidae family. These larvae...

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle unperceived means the woman shouldn't find out about it. IOW, be a creep

CowperKettle

Ah!

M.A.R.

That's how I interpret it. So get a hair and a pin off her, meaning it should be her pin and her hair, and don't let her find out

CowperKettle

M.A.R.

And that's on page 97. I wouldn't wanna know what goes on in the previous 96 pages

CowperKettle

10:05

Ural Republic

The Ural Republic was an unrecognized subject of the Russian Federation that existed from July 1, 1993 to November 9, 1993 within the boundaries of Sverdlovsk Oblast region. It was formed as a result of a referendum held on April 12, 1993 by Eduard Rossel.It was organized by a team of local politicians, one them Anton Bakov — he is also the author of the project of a currency for the Republic—the Ural franc. == History == April 25 - An issue of giving the status of Republic to the Sverdlovsk Oblast was submitted to referendum. July 1 - Sverdlovsk Regional Council adopted a decision on th...

For several months in 1993, there was the Ural Republic, but it really went unnoticed by the majority of people

CowperKettle

11:33

My first cassette tape player in 1990

The Soviet Union produced a huge number of different players.

In the 1990s the industry disintegrated.

I sometimes wonder whether it was right to open the market to foreign home goods.

Maybe it would have been better to set a 10-year protective period, in order to let the Russian industry get on its feet in the market situation.

Strangely, those of my friends who support Putin say to these thoughts that they don't care, they want better goods.

CowperKettle

12:01

A continuous feature of Russia’s propaganda involves false claims Ukraine’s run by America, the CIA, NATO and those pesky wicked west countries – basically anyone other than the Ukrainian people

M.A.R.

12:44

@CowperKettle it's the same shit everywhere. Here we constantly try to find ways to hate Turkey because they're not 'pure enough'.

Meaning, they don't try to be morons and dig a hole and isolate themselves from the world because of some ridiculous notion of a self-sufficient economy

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. I know very little about Turkey, except that Russians for some reason love to holiday there

They say because it costs a lot less than a holiday in Crimea, at the same time the quality of the service is much higher

Personally, I would spend a holiday in some mountains in Russia. It's a pity that I have spells of weakness.

@M.A.R. Are there truly religious people among the youth in Iran, or is it mostly lip-service, as it was in the USSR with communism? When people only pretended to believe in communism (like my mother and father) in order not to spoil their careers?

My mother said that she used to argue with her brother, who still believed in communism, in the 1970s. She said it was all bullshit, and did not attend the fake Soviet elections.

Bohemian relativist

13:04

that humans need to eat so often is a big trouble

has the pancake been hot enough?

CowperKettle

@Bohemianrelativist No pancakes for me! I have elevated total cholesterol, and was told by the doc to eat less fat.

Bohemian relativist

in this world, a lot of human labors are spent to make food.

CowperKettle

13:24

@Bohemianrelativist A lot less than it was 150 years ago.

In 1890, 80% of the citizens of the Russian Empire were peasants.

Only 30% were able to read, with the figure rising to 50% for the European Russia

It was just a second ago, historically speaking.

I remember the long shop queues I had to stand in when I was a boy, before 1992.

You could only buy bread without a long queue

And by 1991, there were long queues even before bread shops

In order to buy some kefir, fresh milk, cottage cheese, we awoke one and a half hours before the stores opened, and went to take a place in the queue.

The queue amounted to dozens of people, and by the time the shop opened, you had slim chances of bying anything if you just arrived by that time.

After some 30 to 40 minutes in the queue after the opening of the shop, we bought dairy products and went home. In about half an hour after that, the shop was empty, with all products gone.

And now I can just buy fresh dairy anywhere anytime, even via the Internet.

Soviet socialism was really a marvelous invention.

In the school, we were having a small party for some reason, and everybody brought something - teacups, teaspoons, sweets. One boy brought a can of coffee. We thought he were crazy. It was impossible to buy coffee, and he just brought it to be freely drunk by all of us, so generous.

CowperKettle

14:07

> Provide valid stability data for batch No. Н15 (for the time point of 36 months).

I wonder how to put it better. "For the 36-months time point"?

"As of 36 months"?

Mitch

14:34

@M.A.R. Wait...and Iran is pure? It's pretty multi-ethnic.

@CowperKettle ??? Pancakes have cholesterol? or fat?

SmokeDetector

14:48

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RegDwigнt

15:00

@Cerberus thank you. I'm going with "Nederlandse tekst door Arie van der Ent", then.

(Also made the "der" lowercase, otherwise it's weird.)

I do want to emphasize that there's a lot of original effort that always goes into any solid translation, so that's a good point actually.

That it's a lied is obvious from context.

I don't know Arie, I just found their lyrics by googling.

Otherwise I could just ask all these questions to themselves, I suppose...

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Oh, yes, der should be lower case always.

Your final versions looks perfect.

Arie will be a man.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus well frankly you see every which permutation on the Internet, van der, Van der, van Der.

@Cerberus that's sexist! I now have to ban you according to the EULA.

Cerberus

In Holland, the rules for those are slightly more complicated.

Bohemian relativist

if you do academic work, you always lack time, because you always have more you wish to delve into.

Cerberus

In Flanders, you just capitalise the first word no matter what, then don't capitalise any articles or praepositions elsewhere in a surname.

In other countries, people are wrong.

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RegDwigнt

15:07

@Bohemianrelativist I always lack time anyway. That's why I never do any academic work.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Ban me! Arie is short for Adriaan.

RegDwigнt

Yes, but what if she identifies as a het.

Bohemian relativist

if you do service work, you don't lack time that much, because you wouldn't wish to do service to others that much.

Cerberus

Then I'm sure she won't mind.

It can correct you if autos wants.

RegDwigнt

Funny sidenote: Hete is a German slur for a heterosexual.

Cerberus

15:09

Oh, I'm Greek, so you must always use Greek grammar with me.

RegDwigнt

Yes, Germans have slurs for heterosexuals. Get with the programme, America.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Hete is Dutch for hot. Hete meid is one of the commonest search terms on the Internet.

RegDwigнt

So you can have a hete lesbian meid. That's brilliant.

Cerberus

Sure.

Hete lesbienne.

Hete lesbo, more likely.

Hete lesbische meid, why not.

RegDwigнt

Yes, yes, give me more terms to google.

Taking notes.

Anyway, while this is more fun, I do have to now go and fight with the new YouTube Studio to actually add the nederlandse tekst to the subtitles. Wish me luck. Shouldn't take more than a couple years. I'll be back immediately after that!

Also, isn't it The Oscars tonight? I forgot they even existed.

CowperKettle

15:26

Famous Russian doctor detained by the police for giving an interview to BBC TV during the peaceful rally on 21 April.

The BunkerFurher is having a fit.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt You need a capital there!

M.A.R.

15:40

@CowperKettle A small portion of the youth is religious. A larger portion just mouths back whatever they're told in their theology textbooks. I think, but I don't know for sure, that most of these younguns experience quite a lot of disillusionment once they're, say, 18. So really it depends on your definition of "youth". I think that the age of disillusionment would be higher here than what you're used to in Russia or America.

@Mitch Not the racist sort of pure, the religious sort of pure.

They think that Turkish people have given in and become Westernized. Well, I mean, that's obvious but it's considered a bad thing for the often older religious people here.

CowperKettle

17:29

CowperKettle

17:45

Eating a clock is time consuming, especially if you go back for seconds

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Sal Rahman

18:05

Is there a word for someone who is "naively generous"?

The closest word that I can think of is "simp", but that only applies to someone who has a romantic interest in someone else.

What would be a better word?

Cerberus

I think "naïvely generous" or simply "naïve" would do?

CowperKettle

Raëlism

Raëlism, also known as Raëlianism, is a UFO religion that was founded in 1970s France by Claude Vorilhon, now known as Raël. Scholars of religion classify Raëlism as a new religious movement. The group is formalised as the International Raëlian Movement (IRM) or Raëlian Church, a hierarchical organisation under Raël's leadership. Raëlism teaches that an extraterrestrial species known as the Elohim created humanity using their advanced technology. An atheistic religion, it believes that the Elohim have historically been mistaken for gods. It holds that throughout history the Elohim have created...

A religion that does not admit the existence of gods yet revolves around the Bible and combines the Swastika and the Six-point star as its symbol.

No, it's not from an episode of South Park.

I just came across an ad on Facebook that led me to this Wiki article ))

Cerberus

18:20

Pronounced realism?

Sounds highly realistic.

Like the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Sal Rahman

> Is there a word for someone who is "naively generous"?
>
> The closest word that I can think of is "simp", but that only applies to someone who has a romantic interest in someone else.
>
> What would be a better word?

For context, I'm trying to find a word that is polar opposite of someone who people would describe to be "cynical"; that is someone who strongly believes that there is no "good in people's hearts", and that "everyone is out to look for themselves," and that the only way that the world works is that "everyone works for their own self-interest, otherwise nothing would get done."

Cerberus

I think naïve comes pretty close?

I don't know what context you wanted to use this word in.

CowperKettle

@SalRahman Could doting fit the purpose?

A doting person could be naively generous to the one he dotes on.

Sal Rahman

"A cynic will bemoan people's self-interest"

"A ____ will believe in people's good intentions"

What would go in the blank?

CowperKettle

18:38

idealist? daydreamer?

Goody-two-shoes?

The History of Little Goody Two-Shoes

The History of Little Goody Two-Shoes is a children's story published by John Newbery in London in 1765. The story popularized the phrase "goody two-shoes" as a descriptor for an excessively virtuous person or do-gooder. == Plot == Goody Two-Shoes is a variation of the Cinderella story. The fable tells of Goody Two-Shoes, the nickname of a poor orphan girl named Margery Meanwell, who goes through life with only one shoe. When a rich gentleman gives her a complete pair, she is so happy that she tells everyone that she has "two shoes". Later, Margery becomes a teacher and marries a rich widower....

@SalRahman you can try google-searching "cynic antonyms" -- this request will bring up some thesauruses

Or thesaura. Or thesauri.

M.A.R.

Thesaurages

Sal Rahman

Funnily enough, I was reminded of a word "pronoia". I did not find that in a thesaurus.

So I look up "pronoid". That word exists. Haha.

CowperKettle

Pronoia (psychology)

Pronoia is a neologism coined to describe a state of mind that is the opposite of paranoia. Whereas a person suffering from paranoia feels that persons or entities are conspiring against them, a person experiencing pronoia feels that the world around them conspires to do them good. In 1993 the writer and Electronic Frontier Foundation co-founder John Perry Barlow defined pronoia as "the suspicion the Universe is a conspiracy on your behalf".The word may have first appeared in 1982, when the academic journal Social Problems published an article entitled "Pronoia" by Dr. Fred H. Goldner of Queens...

Xanne

21:28

@SalRahman An optimist, perhaps.

Optimist is usually considered the opposite of pessimist.

Cerberus

21:47

Or philanthropist.

As in a lover of mankind.

RegDwigнt

22:55

@Cerberus not if I want to grind your gears I don't.

Ugh. Pinged myself again!

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