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12:09 AM
@Xanne I went back and forth and back again.But then the comments convinced me.
@M.A.R. But there's a case to be made for not pressing all the buttons at your disposal all the time.
@Xanne His portrayal of Shylock in Merchant of Venice is considered problematic.
@M.A.R. I'm no fan of Perry, but he's not as horribly untalented as Sandler.
@M.A.R. Saying that makes me realize that it won't be over. He'll still have twitter access, or some kind of presence in the media. It's all about him.
 
@Mitch so the most enjoyable way to get back at him would be that if Biden's elected instead, by mid January his responses are down by half
@Mitch unfunny, not necessarily untalented. Check out Uncut Gems. It's either that Sandler's being Sandler is working in that one or he's some talent but has wasted it on a billion Happy Madison movies. Which would make you angrier
 
1:24 AM
@M.A.R. An allow list is sort of compound noun. Try verbing that and I'll retch.
Because the modifier is allow, which is already a verb.
It's a list that allows.
It's not an allow that lists. Damn it.
 
I'd prefer a pass list and a fail list.
 
Hurry before someone else faillists you it.
 
I'm not too worried.
 
Flaillist?
 
@M.A.R. Never.
 
1:27 AM
Seriously, I have such a hard time working up the energy to answer any of the questions we see here these days. I wonder that I was ever able to do that.
 
But thinked need to be playedlisteds.
Inflectionally speaking.
@Robusto Yeah.
 
Even comments are hard to gather energy for. I write out a comment and then I look at the question again and think, "Why?" And I delete it.
And I look with contempt on earnest souls who want to solves someone's petty problem.
There will just be ten more people in the coming week who have that exact same problem, or close enough to it, that the effort is as good as wasted.
Then there will be Hot Licks trying to appear clever.
Or Fumble trying to make equivocation look like erudition.
Or Basson Jassford earnestly applying his socket wrench to the problem.
 
You can always come to Latin.
We still have interesting questions.
 
@Cerberus You're not allowed such exhortations in English.
 
I should think I was.
I should fine you for speaking English at all here.
 
1:34 AM
Shouldn't exhortations to come to Latin be in Latin?
 
Mayhaps.
 
Besides, the only Latin I know is what I learned in high school.
And the language was deprecated after Vatican II, so ...
@Cerberus So? Let's hear yours.
 
@Robusto Hebrew came back. Why not Latin?
 
@Mitch I don't speak Hebrew, either. Is there no balm in Gilead?
 
Sanskrit then?
 
1:43 AM
It would remind me of GoToMeeting scrums.
 
haha
ha
wait
I always hear about some small village in India claims to still be speaking Sanskrit.
I find that highly improbable.
 
But who could disprove it?
 
@M.A.R. I'm still gonna go with untalented. Uncut Gems was pretty good, and he wasn't awful in it. But the rest of everything he's ever been in, it's like somegoofball off the street was placed in position to read a cue card.
@Robusto A linguist who actually knows sanskrit (and local indian languages, which is not hard to do if you're a sanskrit scholar).
 
She almost has a point, but is careful to use the same buzzwords.
 
1:53 AM
"Black people . . . who we are"
 
In case you thought Pence was any better than Trump.
 
Who are black people? She says she's sad that they treat blacks like an intrigue, but then she talks like black people are an intrigue
 
@M.A.R. 'denylist' is also a bit mallifluous.
 
@M.A.R. "Catering to a white audience" is what you do if you want to make money in America. If you took the money, you already sold out, and it's a bit late for grief about that. To be really principled, maybe she would give the money back?
 
Hah
Feels more like jumping on the bandwagon than having an epiphany
But who knows. People used to surprise you.
I haven't been surprised once in 2020, I think, hmm
 
1:59 AM
It is possible for the taste of success to turn to ashes in your mouth. But if it is a true experience then you don't talk glibly about it.
 
Best you get is Musk trying to help you dislike him
@Scrontch that is a hopelessly naive view, I would say that almost all of the worst genocides in the existence of this world has happened in the 20th century — Neil Meyer Nov 28 '18 at 17:51
Hmm, the assumption notwithstanding, is it true that the 20th century genocides were the most horrific in all history?
 
@Robusto I always wondered about that. Not that ashes are any great thing but really who would try that in the first place?
@M.A.R. There's so much that has been forgotten.
 
@Mitch put some sugar in your mouth and ignite it?
 
I mean, the Mongols are peace loving, horse riding, grass-land living.
 
It'd probably just caramelize
 
2:03 AM
@M.A.R. Is that how you'd do it?
I mean is that supposed to blow up or something?
 
@Mitch I can't have a mouth transplant
Unless I'm Nicholas Cage
@Mitch it'd caramelize
 
@M.A.R. That doesn't sound very comfortable.
 
Yeah. Never try this at home.
 
@M.A.R. ??? The sugar or the ashes?
Is that like a way to synthesize fertilizer?
or make lye?
 
If it's sugar with a little ash, it's get on fire
@Mitch how does that come into this
 
2:06 AM
rummages around kitchen
pulls out sugar
 
@Mitch No
 
gets some newspaper
 
Fertilizers often have N or S
 
reads the comics first, I'm not some monster
burns the paper in a dish
 
2:07 AM
@M.A.R. I don't know, I'm not the chemist here.
 
> Pathei mathos — in suffering we learn. The words of the Greek tragedian Aeschylus continue to echo in my mind.

Our suffering today in America is finally teaching us that we need to fight covid-19 for real; we need to pursue not just mitigation — slowing the spread of disease — but suppression — getting back to near zero case incidence. But just because we grown-ups have had to learn from suffering doesn’t mean the kids should.
 
@tchrist so it was a curse
 
Asclepius might do us more good these days than Aeschylus,
 
Pathei Mathos b****es!
 
We should really be wondering who'll be the place to go after this. Will it be Europe? Or willl most everywhere else just start bypassing the US, less emigration, less brain drain.
New Zealand?
 
2:10 AM
Hello.
What do you mean by "the place to go"?
 
It's Mitch being Mitch
 
Not Brazil.
 
Morgen
 
@M.A.R. It's not like that's a new thing.
 
I should sleep
 
2:11 AM
@M.A.R. You should. Also, take a nap tomorrow afternoon.
 
@Mitch reaches new heights sometimes
This IS tomorrow.
Or Sparta.
Mostly tomorrow
 
@Cerberus When things suck in your country, people feel like they want to go somewhere. Who in their right mind and also listens to the news would want to come to the US now?
 
What do people like about Butler. I don't like him
 
@M.A.R. It' s pretty hard to become -more- like oneself.
 
@Mitch You are suggesting America is now "the place to go to"?
 
2:13 AM
You're doing it subconsciously
 
@M.A.R. Tomorrow is the part of the day after you wake up from a long sleep.
 
@M.A.R. Betsies!
 
Unless you're a vampire. Then it gets all weird.
 
People migrate to rich countries all the time, so why would America be or become any different?
 
@Cerberus It used to be.
 
2:13 AM
> More than 1 million immigrants arrive in the U.S. each year.
> 2.4 million immigrants entered the EU-27 from non-EU-27 countries in 2018.
 
We didn't have to colonize a bunch of overseas places to get immigrants.
 
IIRC the US was >50% immigrants
 
And I'm sure Australia has a similarly high number of immigrants, proportional to its population.
 
Sheep immigrants
 
@Cerberus The Narrow Sea is not the Great Ocean.
 
2:14 AM
@M.A.R. All countries were once 100% immigrants...
 
@Cerberus well there you go. people were reading the news the past ten years.
 
Has 150 million sheep by now
 
People have always migrated to rich countries, and I don't think that will change.
 
@Cerberus That's a bit of a stretch of the word.
 
@Cerberus of course, but this one was probably defined as native born vs. born elsewhere
 
2:15 AM
OK.
 
@Cerberus Not true
 
Drumpf is an immigrant
 
Well, of course (former) colonies in sparsely populated places are wont to attract many immigrants.
 
@Cerberus Norway has refugees, which while a kind of immigrant, is sort of not by choice.
 
@tchrist Those apes must have come from somewhere.
If not, their ancestors must have.
 
2:17 AM
That rift valley thing huh
 
Unless they give you choice on where to go.
 
We all came out of the sea.
@Mitch Uhh a refugee is an immigrant.
 
@M.A.R. Und sein Gross Vader could never English speak gut.
 
@Cerberus It's kinda embarrassing but you have these . . . things growing out of your shoulders
 
Oder father, I forget.
 
2:18 AM
Of course Norway is more difficult to reach from poor places than e.g. Greece.
 
@Cerberus sure, but the host country is really saying, before they show up, yes we'll take a handful of those guys.
 
Right, his dad couldn't speak English without a heavy(-breathing) Germy accent.
 
@M.A.R. Oh, those are not embarrassing to me. They're just my snake hair.
@Mitch Perhaps Norway can control how many refugees arrive, but most European countries certainly cannot.
 
Iceland.
 
They is, they try, with limited success.
 
2:19 AM
Greenland, but that's North American.
 
@tchrist It's probably easiest for Iceland, after Ireland and Britain.
 
@Cerberus most of the sparsely populated places in the US and Australia did not attract immigrants. The immigrants tended to stay in near the big port cities when they arrived.
 
Islands can do that.
 
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@Mitch Even so, immigration was driven by economic expansion, which was driven by expanding into new lands for exploitation.
 
2:21 AM
@Cerberus so much has happened lately, I can't remember what happened to the Syrians. Were they allowed to stay in Greece or were they pushed along or out?
 
It is now different, yes.
 
@Cerberus Nobody -wants- to immigrate to Norway.
 
I told you: the Narrow Sea has never done any good at drowning the invaders. Well except that summer of 1588 when all the Flemings made like lemmings and drowned.
 
@Mitch There's no "the" Syrians.
We have tons of Syrian refugees here.
 
I mean I'd rather there than Russia any day but still.
 
2:22 AM
And so do many other European countries.
But most fled to other Levantine countries.
 
@Cerberus Was that a bad use of 'the'?
 
@Mitch Tons of people want to!
 
@Cerberus OK.
 
@Mitch Your question suggested that "the Syrians" were a group which travelled together and experienced the same things.
 
The one person I know who was a refugee and ended up in Norway was super glad to get out.
 
2:24 AM
One thing about immigration is that the receiving country isn't always as expected.
 
@Cerberus The ones who got to Greece, the place you mentioned.
 
@Mitch You mean the antediluvian zone, pre-posteriorly.
 
You wouldn't believe what tales the human traffickers in Africa tell their clients.
 
Slave trade.
 
@Mitch Many, many Syrians have travelled to Greece over the course of many years. Each has his own story. Some stayed in Greece, some went back to Turkey, some back to Syria, some went on to other European countries...
@tchrist Not quite.
 
2:26 AM
@Cerberus Next best thing.
 
@Cerberus People who come to the US same.
 
@tchrist More like a scam.
@Mitch I'll believe it.
 
The Co-Yo-Tes do the same.
 
@Cerberus What?
THere's only one kind of Syrian.
 
Wot wot?
Oh, OK.
I forgot.
 
2:28 AM
They all left Syria, trampled a field in Hungary, something about Germany, and then they fell off the news.
 
Something on the order of 10,000 seekers from the south have perished in the desert trying to reach the promised land north of the Rio Bravo del Norte over the past couple decades or so.
 
@Cerberus I mean everybody in the world should know by now the health insurance tragedy in the US.
But immigrants don't realize that you -must- get a car to survive.
 
I wonder how many have perished in the Middle Sea trying to reach its more northerly strands.
 
@tchrist haha there was a trivia question not half an hour ago about that, and all I could remember was 'del Norte... Rio somethety something del Norte'
Hey @tchrist would you happen to know if Spanish people are thinking of emigrating away from Spain because of global warming/desertification?
I mean it's pretty dry/mediterranean right now, it wouldn't take much to push it towards arid.
 
@tchrist More.
 
2:35 AM
The rain in Spain falls mostly en la sierra.
 
Does sourthern Spain already have lots of desalinization plants for water?
 
@Mitch I'm not so sure how well those poor people read the news...
 
> In the arid Spanish Mediterranean city of Torrevieja, Europe's biggest desalination plant stands idle six years after construction began. The plant is finished; it just needs a power hookup to operate at full capacity. But it has few buyers for its water and would cost too much to run.
 
@Mitch I don't see why: the only part of the economy seriously affected by droughts is agriculture. For drinking water, solutions can always be found (in a rich country like Spain).
 
@Cerberus Despite @Robusto's experience in midnight meetings, it's like the entire higher education system in India is geared towards sending their kids to any possible American university.
 
2:37 AM
Why American?
 
@tchrist Have people already left? Population maps make Spain look pretty sparse compared to Benelux/Nortwest Germany
 
Five years later: One of Europe's largest desalination plants located in Spain could have its output trebled to help meet municipal and agricultural demand. The Torrevieja desalination plant currently has an overall capacity of 240,000 m3/day, with current output pegged at 135,000 m³/day.
@Mitch Did you sill coffee on your keboard agan?
 
@Cerberus I don't know. English speaking?
 
That may helps Indians a bit.
 
@tchrist haha no It's late and my eyes are tired
 
2:40 AM
Though I'm sure most of those people settle for the 'best' university that will take them, regardless of language?
 
> La población española ha aumentado alrededor de un 36% desde 1975: se ha pasado de un país con 34,2 millones de habitantes a otro de alrededor de 46,9 millones, pero este aumento de la población no se nota en todas las zonas por igual. Durante estos años, en los que el país ha sufrido una revolución económica, amplias regiones del país se han visto afectadas por movimientos migratorios de gran calado desde las zonas rurales hasta las grandes ciudades.
> Cada año, este proceso de pérdida de población se deja notar en las áreas que se han venido en denominar por los expertos 'la España vacía'.
 
@Cerberus I'm sure there are a lot of Indians who emigrate to UK for school too. Australia too (even closer). But I'm in the US and I see a lot. so that's all I can claim anecdotally.
 
> Este movimiento de población de los pueblos a las ciudades lleva provocando años que amplias regiones de la península queden despobladas con regiones con densidades de población que compiten en los ránking europeos con Laponia Noruega.
 
@Cerberus Because postgrad every program has some English nowadays no matter what country?
 
2:42 AM
(I don't think people are arbitrary in choice of where they go, it's hard to learn a language right as you show up to class)
 
@tchrist -every- population in the world has left the farming countryside for the rich cities...but is this saying that the change is much much more pronounced in Spain?
@tchrist I thought the south of Spain was a little more populated, but wow, it's like Norway. Or even the Alps.
 
It's been going on for thousands of years.
There used to be forests.
 
@tchrist They can't -all- have left for Central and South America?
 
The Romans cut them down to burn to make concrete with. Something like that.
 
2:46 AM
@tchrist ooh ashes.
and sugar.
That's what @M.A.R. claims anyway.
ashes, sugar, some cotton and oh what the hell sprinkle some crushed cockroaches on it.
TA DA!
no more eyebrows.
 
This could have used a native English speaker helping it, but read it anyway.
> At large part of Spanish territory suffers from desertification. Different numbers are being reported: one fifth of the land is currently at risk of turning into deserts (1); 31.5% of the land is already affected by desertification (2). In the Guadalquivir river basin, for instance, years of over-abstraction to irrigate rice fields and olive groves have led to serious water deficits (3). In coastal areas, the water shortage and land-loss problem could be exacerbated by sea-level rise and subsequent salinisation processes (1).
 
@Mitch I see lots of Chinese students here. But I'm sure you do, too?
Also lots of Indians, also employees at computerish companies.
 
But really, when you study Spanish history, there has been a huge amount of outmigration.
 
@Mitch That, and people are willing to learn a language if they are really ambitious.
@tchrist Even so, only, what, 7% of our land area is built-up areas?
 
@Cerberus How many acres of old-growth forest remain?
 
2:51 AM
@Mitch I think we have had this same discussion, about the same map, before?
The way the countries look doesn't represent their population density.
 
You know the answer: ZERO ACRES.
 
@tchrist Probably zero, as in most other European countries.
 
You destroyed everything.
 
But about one quarter is forests.
And I'm sure we now have some forests left alone long enough to look "wild"...
 
Your flying insects are gone. Why? Who would break a butterfly upon the wheel?
 
2:55 AM
I think it's nitrogen and pesticides.
We're working on them.
But I think a large proportion has disappeared in your country as well?
 
It's the monoculture.
Yes, pesticides too.
But fields and fields of sameness, and nothing to eat nor drink for the creatures whose land you took from them.
 
But it happens also in the forests.
Because of the nitrogen from fertilisers and other sources.
We're working on it.
 
I for one do not claim to understand that element of it.
Why nitrogen?
 
Cabinet has introduced new laws, and we are seeing farmer's tractors blocking our streets and squares on a weekly basis in protest.
 
The oxen must be on strike.
 
2:58 AM
@tchrist I think nitrogen makes the soil "richer", which decreases species variety.
Plant variety results in animal variety (ecosystem).
 
Yes.
 
But maybe there is more to nitrogen.
I forgot.
 
I don't see how that affects the forests.
 
All I know is that it's all about nitrogen now.
 
But yes, they found that in Germany, in set-aside forests long untouched. And it was there, too.
 
2:59 AM
The nitrogen enters the forests through the atmosphaere (rain?).
It is a local effect.
 
@Cerberus most likely, there are multiple ways to present the data so really only the most general of trends and non extreme statements should be made... eg Spain seems less dense outside of big cities whereas benelux/NRW are more dense.
 
Several studies report a substantial decline in insect populations. Most commonly, the declines involve reductions in abundance, though in some cases entire species are going extinct. The declines are far from uniform. In some localities, there have been reports of increases in overall insect population, and some types of insects appear to be increasing in abundance across the world. A 2020 meta-analysis published in the journal Science found that globally, terrestrial insects appeared to be declining in abundance at a rate of about 9% per decade, while the abundance of freshwater insects has...
 
So anything emitting nitrogen near protected areas of nature (which are nearly everywhere) has to do lots of stuff to prevent it from entering those areas.
 
The fields that we knew are no more.
Depopulated.
 
@Mitch Yes, but there was also something about the dots on this map that makes it extra unclear.
For example, Spain, France, and Germany have similar degrees or urbanisation.
But you can't tell that from the map.
 
3:02 AM
@Cerberus STEM classes are 50% South Asian, 50% East and Southeast Asian (no Japanese) and 10% Americans who can't add up percentages.
Qualify that...in masters programs.
 
Yeah.
It is also a problem here.
 
@tchrist That doesn't sound good for Spain (or the others, but my discussion is about Spain)
@Cerberus I'm just thinking of driving around in different parts of those countries.
 
Extramadura is very dry and empty. Both of them.
 
I thought there was only one Extramadura
 
3:06 AM
There is a sere and august beauty to it.
 
It must have grown.
 
Estremadura Province (Portuguese pronunciation: [(ɨ)ʃtɾɨmɐˈðuɾɐ]) is one of the six historical provinces of Portugal. It is located along the Atlantic Ocean coast in the center of the country and includes Lisbon, the capital. The name of this province (and also the Spanish Extramadura) originates from the Spanish and Portuguese struggle with the Moors, and the Christian reclaiming of their land in the 12th century. These provinces were called Extrema Durii, which means "farthest from the Douro River."During the 19th century, Estremadura was the only province in the kingdom that did not border Spain...
 
I've been to the south coast of Spain and that is packed dense constant civilization.
 
@Mitch No shit.
 
But I don't know about off the coast.
 
3:08 AM
There's a lot of agricultural land.
Vaqueros didn't come from nowhere you know.
Cowboys.
 
Will they still be able to water all the orange trees?
 
@Mitch Who knows? Ask the almond barons of California the same question, mutatis mutandis.
 
Fruit trees produce enough value that it will be possible to water them.
Maybe the cost of some cheaper crops will become too high because of water shortage, I have no idea.
 
@tchrist Makes sense... except there is a large watersource that waters all that agriculture in Southern California, right? (as opposed to Spain)
 
Take the train from Madrid to Sevilla and you will go through places where you can see nothing but fields of olives as far as you can see in every direction. Then half an hour later, the same of sunflowers.
 
3:12 AM
The high-value crops usually take up little space but use lots of water.
 
@Mitch NO!!!!
 
I wasn't considering moving to California though... too densely populated.
 
They steal it from the aquifer. It's fallen like ten yards. The LAND.
 
@tchrist All I know about water resources in California is from the movie 'Chinatown'. And that was in the thirties.
 
Some twenty years ago, I went to see a documentary about the Colorado river and how it was dried out to a trickle by the time it reached the sea.
 
3:14 AM
@Mitch Look up Land subsidence in California.
@Cerberus Yes.
Cadillac Desert (1986), is a history by American Marc Reisner about land development and water policy in the western United States. Subtitled The American West and its Disappearing Water, it explores the history of the federal agencies, Bureau of Reclamation and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and their struggles to remake the American West in ways to satisfy national settlement goals. The book concludes that the development-driven policies, formed when settling the West was the country's main concern, have had serious long-term negative effects on the environment and water quantity. The book was...
But it's gotten way worse now.
 
California's Central Valley subsides when groundwater is pumped faster than underground aquifers can be recharged. The Central Valley has been sinking at differing rates since the 1920s and is estimated to have sunk up to 28 feet. During drought years, the valley is prone to accelerated subsidence. California periodically experiences droughts of varying lengths and severity. The Central Valley is an agriculturally productive region dependent on large volumes of irrigation water. This region is considered arid to semiarid and is reliant on infrastructure to deliver water. The Central Valley is prone...
 
See, like 10 yards.
 
It seems that water comes from the Sierra Nevada also
 
Well where would you expect it to come from, the Sierra Quemada?
The Sierra Quemada is in Texas: burnt mountains, not snowed-on mountains.
 
The faucet?
with a hose?
Lake Tahoe?
Oh that's too far north
 
3:19 AM
Much water flows into Lake Tahoe, but it has only a single outlet: the Truckee River, which dead-ends into Pyramid Lake, which is endorheic.
 
desalinization plants with nano-carbon-thorium batteries.
@tchrist Remind me not to use the bathroom after someone with endorrhea.
or maybe that's the perfect roommate.
 
You can't go there. You aren't an Indian.
So don't worry.
Pyramid Lake is the geographic sink of the basin of the Truckee River, 40 mi (64 km) northeast of Reno, Nevada, United States. Pyramid Lake is fed by the Truckee River, which is mostly the outflow from Lake Tahoe. The Truckee River enters Pyramid Lake at its southern end. Pyramid Lake is an endorheic lake. It has no outlet, with water leaving only by evaporation, or sub-surface seepage. The lake has about 10% of the area of the Great Salt Lake, but it has about 25% more volume. The salinity is approximately 1/6 that of sea water. Although clear Lake Tahoe forms the headwaters that drain to Pyramid...
 
I must bid you farewell, fellow chatters.
Until next time!
 
Happy dreams.
 
adieu
 
3:21 AM
looks askance at Tchrist's bed-time
Adieu!
 
Of crimson and clover.
Over and over.
 
ascientia!
or what ever those parthenoner's say.
 
They say of the Acropolis...
 
what is the place in Paris?
argh the pantheon.
which makes more sense
so late my eyes -and- brain are losing it.
 
3:27 AM
OMG..
"Moving on..."
but I should too.
later!
 
Already.
> The U.S. shatters its single-day record for new cases, with more than 75,000.
As clashes over face-covering mandates and school reopening plans intensified throughout the United States, the country shattered its single-day record for new cases on Thursday — more than 75,000 with some numbers still to be announced, according to a New York Times database.
> This was the 11th time in the past month that the record had been broken. The number has more than doubled since June 24.
Doubling in three weeks. Well, now we have an exponent.
Which means we can work out how many new cases we'll have on Monday, the 2nd of November, assuming a constant doubling rate until then of course, which is unlikely.
Half a million, anybody?
Pathei mathos
 
 
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Wha_? The question is edited into a whole new thing, why should we even bother to edit it out instead of deleting it
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Q: When and where was “portfolio career“ first used?

FrecklepawThe expression portfolio career meaning: the fact of having several part-time jobs at once, rather than one full-time job: A portfolio career is suitable for people who want to have a variety in their work life. (Cambridge Dictionary) Etymonline has no information about the origin of the ab...

 
 
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10:40 AM
@tchrist There’s also a recent report that some of the reported cases are retests, i.e., second or third positive on same person. As I recall Florida was implicated, but this may be widespread, in accordance with a requirement that all positive tests be reported. Negatives were not reported, in some places. One wonders how long this has been going on. This kind of duplication does occur in new systems.
Also, @tchrist, some hospitals are now testing all children coming in, regardless of the presenting problem, so the identified incidence among children is going to go up, whether in fact or only as counted. So the raw data seems less reliable than we thought. There is a study underway on people who’ve had Covid-19 (and a control group) but results won’t be available for several months—this would get at the immunity question.
 
@Mitch I want a lawyer
 
 
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12:01 PM
@M.A.R. we can't provide professional lawyers, but SE does a good trade in rules lawyers, if that'll help
 
 
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1:03 PM
@MattE.Эллен I want my money back.
 
@Xanne Hospitalisations should provide a more accurate picture.
And large-scale blood samples.
But of course there is a delay.
I think testing is good for controlling outbreaks, but not really as an indicator.
 
1:21 PM
@Robusto sure. there's a transaction fee of £3000.
 
@MattE.Эллен are you a Nigerian prince?
 
@M.A.R. no, but I know one who wants to smuggle some money out of Nigeria, and is will to let you keep some of it...
 
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