English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

12:24 AM

@Robusto Donald Trump has just tested covid positive. This is the mini-me version though.

12:36 AM

now I found registration fee of a conference is so expensive

in the past, the conferences I attended generally didn't require registration fees and some of them even subsided transportation or/and accommodation for participants.

I wonder why now conferences seem to generally become requiring so expensive registration fees.

tchrist

It really depends on the conference. Some are big and glitzy, targeting corporate pockets. Others are more academic and not so bad.

Robusto

12:52 AM

@tchrist I'm not sure I follow.

Oh, DT Jr.

Cerberus

1:10 AM

The people of Carcassonne being forced to leave their town unclothed by the crusaders against the Cathars.

It's funny how Facebook (and many American media) are even more prudish than the Middle Ages.

Captain Bohemian

is it only -2 degrees Celsius now?

I just opened the window but did't feel that cold.

Robusto

1:30 AM

@Cerberus The ones that weren't massacred by Arnaud-Amaury. "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius"

Cerberus

@Robusto Ah, yes.

Which is apocryphal, but still nice.

@Mitch Look, I've made a new table.

Robusto

@Cerberus Wikipedia doesn't call it apocryphal.

Cerberus

Order by percentage points of the world's population killed per year.

Robusto

> Reportedly at least 7,000 men, women and children were killed there by Catholic forces.

> Elsewhere in the town, many more thousands were mutilated and killed. Prisoners were blinded, dragged behind horses, and used for target practice. What remained of the city was razed by fire. Arnaud-Amaury wrote to Pope Innocent III, "Today your Holiness, twenty thousand heretics were put to the sword, regardless of rank, age, or sex."[63][64]

There are citations for the letter to the Pope.

Captain Bohemian

1:46 AM

I still think it's better to eat in a restaurant than self-cooking to eat because it's difficult to self-pan out delicious food for me.

tchrist

> Coronavirus infection rates dropped in Kansas counties that adopted mask mandates over the summer, while rising sharply in counties that didn’t institute such requirements, according to research published Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The weekly average for new infections per 100,000 people fell by 6 percent in the two-dozen Kansas counties that complied with a July executive order from Gov. Laura Kelly (D) that required masks in public, the CDC found. In the 81 counties that opted out of the order, the rate increased by 100 percent.

Captain Bohemian

it's like a lot of conferences have been postponed for 1 year due to the coronavirus pandemic.

tchrist

They have.

@CaptainBohemian A plenary session is a full session; everyone attends that one.

Captain Bohemian

I didn't find this until searching for a conference announcement for the assignment of the English language course teacher.

@tchrist then what is a session in contrast to a plenary session?

tchrist

> a. Of an assembly, conference, etc.: having all members in attendance; fully constituted, fully assembled; esp. attended by all participants, who otherwise meet in smaller groups. Now frequently in plenary session. Cf. plenar adj. 1.

It's a Latin loanword.

> Etymology: < post-classical Latin plenarius fully attended, complete (late 4th cent. in Augustine in plenarium concilium ) < classical Latin plēnus full (see pleni- comb. form) + -ārius -ary suffix1. Compare Old Occitan plenari , Catalan plenari (15th cent.), Spanish plenario (c1255 or earlier), Portuguese plenario (15th cent.), Italian plenario (13th cent.). Compare also plenar adj. and the Romance parallels cited at that entry.
With plenary indulgence at sense A. 1 compare French indulgeance pleniere (1636), Spanish indulgencia plenaria (a1450 or earlier), Italian indulgenza plenaria (1…

Captain Bohemian

1:53 AM

in my experience, all sessions of a conference can by attended by anyone who wishes to attend.

tchrist

Well yes.

But it means they're not running multi-tracked for that session.

Suppose that normally there are simultaneous sessions in Rooms 1, 2, and 3.

Those are happening at the same time.

In different places.

In a plenary session, they may direct everyone somewhere else, like some Main Auditorium. Or they may break down the walls between the Rooms 1, 2, and 3.

Captain Bohemian

in my experience, this kind of activity having the division into room 1, 2, 3, ... occurs to education exhibitions rather than conferences.

Robusto

2:15 AM

@tchrist: Over 1,000 new cases in Bernalillo County alone. That's Albuquerque's county. My county, which was having single-digit cases throughout the entire plague, hit nearly 200 today.

tchrist

Robusto

Starting to be a hockey-stick curve.

tchrist

Look up by Raton Pass by Trinidad. It definitely is there.

Your Colfax County and Union County have that curve.

Even Guadalupe County.

Robusto

Only 8 new cases in Colfax.

Today.

tchrist

I'm looking at yesterday's data still.

Robusto

2:27 AM

2 in Guadalupe.

tchrist

Boulder County had 216 new cases yesterday, 236 the day before.

Robusto

All this makes me wonder: why are people so fucking stupid?

tchrist

Few indeed are the days that I do not say the same thing. And the older I get, the fewer.

We seem to have 7.6% positivity in Boulder right now.

Grand Junction ran out of ICU beds today.

Robusto

Yeah. Down here they're opening up a whole 200-bed emergency facility just for Covid in extremis.

I wouldn't want to be on the staff there.

I went to the grocery store today at 8:00 a.m. and it was full of people with jammed-full shopping carts.

tchrist

Hope you didn't stay.

Oh, the carts were jammed.

Not the store?

Robusto

2:44 AM

There's a limit of 75 people in the store at any given time.

1/4 capacity or 75, whichever is less.

tchrist

We're at the lesser of 25% or .... hm, maybe 50?

Well no, critical retail says 50%. That seems ungood.

Non-critical is lesser of 25% or 50 people.

That's our county hospital resources dashboard. Low on ICU beds.

Robusto

That's me in full get-up getting ready to brave Albertson's.

tchrist

I like the cape.

Good call on the eyes.

Robusto

@tchrist It's a hoodie, the one I throw in the laundry after shopping.

tchrist

No, I meant the big one flying up behind you. :)

Robusto

2:50 AM

Ah.

I leave the hat in the sun on my patio after.

tchrist

Clever.

You're just lucky you get to have sun that makes a difference even in the dark of midwinter.

Robusto

Good thing there's so much sun here. Perfect for sterilizing Covid.

tchrist

jinx

Robusto

I owe you a coke, yes.

tchrist

It turned cold again overnight. When I got up I had to turn the heat back on. It had gotten down to 62 inside overnight. But yesterday it got to 72 inside and I haven't had the heat on all week.

Robusto

2:54 AM

I keep the temp at 68. Off during the day, mostly. 62 at night is too cold.

tchrist

Yes. It is.

I didn't mean to.

Robusto

My house has great insulation, but there are limits.

tchrist

I collapsed in multiday work exhaustion and slept for nearly 12 hours last night.

Robusto

Refreshing.

I'm glad to be retired.

I don't have to worry about deadlines and angst and meetings and all that crap.

And my exposure to idiots is blessedly less.

CowperKettle

3:16 AM

Putin’s latest election dirty tactic: Label the opposition as ‘foreign agents’

CowperKettle

3:52 AM

Kingston Trio Hobo's Lullaby

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Captain Bohemian

4:05 AM

can the outside be turned to a refrigerator as it's below 0 degrees Celsius?

CowperKettle

4:40 AM

> STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden should rethink its decision not to recommend the use of face masks to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus amid a second wave of infections, the Royal Academy of Sciences, which awards the Nobel prizes, said on Thursday.

@CaptainBohemian What?

> Methods of destroying proofs, hologram shims and trial runs:
All final proofs, hologram shims and final runs shall be shredded or rendered unusable prior to disposal.

What could be the meaning of final runs in security printing?

CowperKettle

5:49 AM

УМКА "Гибель пивбара"

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My favorite singer

She travels across Russia and sings her songs. She is a translator too. This is a Latvian poem by Patatskas translated into Russian and made into a song.

CowperKettle

6:04 AM

> To soften the blow of defeat Fox's Geraldo proposes naming the vaccine after Trump. "It would be a nice gesture to him and years from now it would become kind of a generic name. Have you got your trump yet, I got my trump, I'm fine. I wished we could honor him in that way."

LOL

I got my trump, here's the injection bump, right on my rosy rump.

CowperKettle

6:40 AM

Bridge in Saratov

> Testing half the population weekly with inexpensive, rapid-turnaround COVID-19 tests would drive the virus toward elimination within weeks -- even if those tests are significantly less sensitive than gold-standard clinical tests, according to a new study published today by University of Colorado Boulder and Harvard University researchers.

sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201120142134.htm

CowperKettle

7:09 AM

> In an unfortunate result of translation, Pakistani diplomat Akbar Zeb will not become the next Pakistani ambassador to Saudi Arabia. Despite Mr. Zeb’s impressive career, the 55-year-old diplomat’s name proved to be the immovable hurdle. When translated into Arabic, Akbar Zeb means “Biggest Dick.” In a region that stresses modesty, particularly in public, this could not stand.

CowperKettle

8:33 AM

Faheem Mitha

8:49 AM

@CowperKettle This looks like something someone made up, but probably isn't.

themuslimtimes.info/2013/03/20/…

Or maybe it isn't true after all.

Faheem Mitha

9:18 AM

@M.A.R. Pretty much everything the Savage (or John, if you prefer) says is a Shakespeare quote. Not very realistic. Apart from the odd colloquial sentence.

Faheem Mitha

9:34 AM

A search shows this discussion in the Shakespeare Reddit - reddit.com/r/shakespeare/comments/hbkf88/…

Assuming anyone cares.

CowperKettle

9:56 AM

What could this mean - Sufficient due diligence to secure delivery?

"Results of a sufficienty performed comprehensive investigation of the supplier's ability to ensure secure delivery"?

Or "Results of a sufficient comprehensive investigation of the supplier, peformed to ensure (=to secure) delivery"?

(meaning, to ensure proper delivery of products/materials)

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Faheem Mitha

10:25 AM

@CowperKettle "due diligence" means careful checking, approximately.

"secure" as a verb can mean obtain. That usage is a bit old fashioned, though. Maybe it's just incorrect English.

More likely there's effectively a missing word there.

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha No problem with that

Faheem Mitha

So the intended meaning is something like "Sufficient due diligence to obtain a secure delivery".

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha Danke

Faheem Mitha

@CowperKettle Where is this text from, and what are you trying to do with it?

Mitchell van Zuylen

11:54 AM

I have a question on whether or not I can use the word "on" in this structure. I'm not sure what the functions/terms for this word is so it's proving hard to find an good explanation. It's as follows: "[ the data ] is split on gender and age"

I changed the actual sentence, because it does not make much sense without extra context. But, my question. Can I use "split on" like this? Or should I use "split by" or something else?

Faheem Mitha

@MitchellvanZuylen Some more context might help. But I'd probably go with "by" without more context.

Captain Bohemian

12:34 PM

I like to eat hot food, even for breakfast, but hot food takes time to prepare. I used to always to eateries to have hot food and seldom ate dry breads, but there is no such an eatery here.

CowperKettle

1:04 PM

@CaptainBohemian A microvawe oven helps!

tchrist

@CowperKettle And what do you make of that?

@Robusto One for you here: nytimes.com/2020/11/21/us/…

skullpatrol

at first I thought red meant republicans

tchrist

Indeed.

Captain Bohemian

1:25 PM

actually hot well-cooked food powers me better to work than cold dry food.

it's strange this dormitory doesn't even provide a microwave stove or restaurant for students

Faheem Mitha

@CowperKettle What is the source of this data?

CowperKettle

@FaheemMitha Twitter

Slovaks are doing good

skullpatrol

Twitter is also the sorcery of trumpet

Captain Bohemian

physical science is more profound than life science.

skullpatrol

Haven't you ever heard the Feynman lecture about seeing the universe in a glass of wine?

Captain Bohemian

1:40 PM

to study physical science counts on your analytical competence while to study life science counts on your memorization competence.

Is Feymann is Taurus?

skullpatrol

Born: May 11, 1918

tchrist

> To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour

Captain Bohemian

I just saw a facebook post in which someone quotes Feymann's remark which likens physics as sex. I think this is very inappropriate. That makes me think of that Feymann is Taurus.

CowperKettle

@CaptainBohemian Because Tauruses love sex?

CowperKettle

2:00 PM

> This day on November 21, 1905 – Albert Einstein's paper that leads to the mass–energy equivalence formula, E = mc², is published in the journal Annalen der Physik.

CowperKettle

2:39 PM

@tchrist It was just curious

I found it interesting that there are so many Catholic churches

Faheem Mitha

3:02 PM

@CowperKettle That's not a source. It's a social media platform. And I use the term "social" loosely.

/me wonders how sitting it front of a computer monitor and hitting keyboard keys is considered social.

Captain Bohemian

CowperKettle

3:40 PM

@CaptainBohemian Very witty!

Orwell of the Day: Three Russian schoolboys accused of terrorism by FSB for planning to blow up an "FSB Building" in Minecraft. Two are currently under house arrest, the third is in prison, awaiting a court hearing. lenta.ru/news/2020/11/20/kansk

It's not a joke, it's an actual news.

Captain Bohemian

serving our palate is such a tedious task that it is better to delegate it to chefs so that we can dedicate ourselves more to profound tasks.

Robusto

@CowperKettle It's an actual news. OR It's an actual news story (or item, etc.).

And the terrorists here are the FSB.

CowperKettle

4:35 PM

> In the event of collective security on the industrial estate or territory, the organization shall be a member of the collective security scheme and shall be member of a collective security scheme.

An oddly written sentence

> Any external entry and exit points, including those for goods and maintenance, shall be equipped with a security window or monitored by external television camera that allows security personnel to visually inspect those areas,
preventing unauthorized access.

"A security window". Must be some hardened window, hard-to-break.

Or is it "any narrow window for peeping outside"? Is there a definition for this?

Robusto

@CowperKettle I would suppose it means an observation window that has a clear view of whatever security dangers there might be.

The point is, it's being made equivalent to a security camera, so it's all about looking.

CowperKettle

5:17 PM

@Robusto Thank you!

I try to teach my friend Olli to speak English by messaging her in English in a social network

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I gifted her several books in English

Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich Mission

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99-th launch of Falcon 9

Robusto

@CowperKettle Is it Olli or Olya? Looks like the latter in that message.

Or is Olli a shortening of Olya?

Robusto

6:56 PM

@Cerberus: The beat goes on.

CowperKettle

8:39 PM

> The total volume of coronavirus infecting more than 53million people is just 0.2 fl oz and the total volume of the 53m cases of the disease worldwide is 8ml, with a normal teaspoon holding 6ml. TV mathematician Matt Parker came up with a figure, saying the virus particles are so small you could fit everyone single one in the world onto a teaspoon

Is this true? Funny

@Robusto Yes, her nickname is Olli, while her Russian name is Оля (Ольга)

Napoleon's last heir, Louis Napoleon IV, died in the Ango-Zulu War in 1879, fighting for the British Empire. Curious.

Mitch

8:56 PM

@Cerberus nice

Cerberus

@Robusto Yeah, that's terrible.

Africa has always been violent.

@Mitch I've also made a scatter plot, in case you're interested.

Using Datawrapper, which is free, online, and (in my opinion) far more usable than graphs in Excel or Libre Office.

Mitch

and now seeing it all like that it feels like there is a lot of cherry picking and questionable inclusion/exclusion going on. If the post WWII german repatriation counts, what about the muslm/hindu migrations because of the partition? Also, I fell like there should be quite a lot more incidents in the ~100,000 to ~500,000 range from all over that are missing.

@Cerberus oh? post it!

Cerberus

@Mitch datawrapper.dwcdn.net/1drMi/1

@Mitch The partition is in it!

But, yes, there should be a ton more atrocities throughout history, many we know nothing about.

Mitch

@Cerberus nice!

Cerberus

@Mitch I can still change it.

The size of the bubbles and the vertical axis may be somewhat confusing to people.

Mitch

9:07 PM

@Cerberus Oh...I must have missed it. also, the khmer rouge killing fields?

Cerberus

But I feel that making things proportional to world population is a lot more meaningful.

Mitch

@Cerberus yeah I get the size of the circle (but that's a questionable measure) but the y-axis is total number right?

Cerberus

I also feel it is more meaningful to correct for how long it took: if you kill tons of people in a short time, that feels like a worse atrocity.

@Mitch Nope, read it!

Mitch

@Cerberus I would think proportion of the accessible population would be more relevant. The atrocity is not aliens affecting the entire globe.

Cerberus

Vertical axis is total death toll, as a proportion of total world population at the start of the event.

@Mitch I suppose it depends on your ultimate objective as a reader.

Mitch

9:10 PM

@Cerberus right

@Cerberus Oh, OK. Yes it is confusing.

Cerberus

One more thing to consider is that some events took hundreds of years, during which the world's population grew a lot. So the proportion of world population at start of event is less relevant.

@Mitch I wanted to show the impact on the world's population.

If some event kills 10% of the world's population, that is a big deal.

In that regard, nothing comes close to the Mongols, so they're at the top.

But the Near-East slave trade is also high, as a proportion of world population when it started; but that seems misleading.

Mitch

@Cerberus I think it should be number killed out of number of local population. eg conquest of Ireland 400K out of (whatever the population of Ireland was at the time).

Cerberus

@Mitch OK that would indicate how cruel it was, perhaps, but less so how terrible an event it was for mankind?

Mitch

@Cerberus I think that only really affects a couple of really long lived atrocities.

@Cerberus We're globally concerned now, but back then the relevance was more to the much narrower population affected.

Cerberus

@Mitch Actually, when a war took 10 years instead of 5, that halves the number of people killed on average per year.

@Mitch Certainly. So both perspectives are relevant/interesting, I'd say.

There is a problem with locality, though.

What's the locality of the Mongols?

Mitch

9:14 PM

@Cerberus for something like that I'd say that it doesn't really say much to say the 10 year one was 1/2 as bad (if same number of people killed).

Cerberus

And what of the Slave Trade?

Mitch

@Cerberus everywhere they went.

@Cerberus yes, that is difficult to measure. but then so was the death toll too probably

Cerberus

@Mitch It will be equally bad in proportion of world killed (vertical axis). But it will be half as bad in brutality, your chance of getting killed in a certain period of time (bubble size).

Mitch

@Cerberus qualitatively that's pretty obvious, and the data confirms.

Cerberus

@Mitch But how large is that? Just their path and a few km alongside? Or all of Eurasia up to Vienna?

@Mitch Oh, yes, the data are super unreliable to begin with.

Mitch

9:17 PM

@Cerberus yes. but in terms of a single persons life they probably don't care as much for themselves whether their chances are reduced by half if you count 10 years instead of 5. at the end you're dead or not.

Cerberus

But it's just very hard to choose what the 'locality' of the Near-East Slave Trade was. People from all over Europe were captured, but they were usually captured in certain regions of the Mediterranean, praesumably.

@Mitch Maybe not! Or maybe they can flee the war after a year. Maybe the troops are only in their region for one year. So it could matter, or not.

So, anyway, I agree with your that locality can be relevant; but it is very hard to decide which places should be included, and then there is the impossibility of determining the population of the various regions of Eurasia that the Mongols conquered.

And the population probably changed a lot during events that took a century or more.

Mitch

Most of these 'things' are events, whether it's over a month or a war over a few years. I think the data collection is very problematic.

Cerberus

So I'm not sure locality is practicable.

@Mitch Quite.

Mitch

@Cerberus anything during 1300's affected considerably by the black death. But then... even so, I don't think the change in world population (or change in local population) is that meaningful. It's not like the underlying population is changing -that- much for all these <10 year events.

Cerberus

@Mitch Yes, but things like the two events of slavery are affected.

Mitch

9:25 PM

anyway, I'm not sure what the ranking is really telling us. It's like the list of tallest mountains or longest rivers. "Yes, the Nile is the longest. OK, now what?"

Cerberus

It wins?

The Famines in British India took 130 years.

Mitch

Sure, but what? A weekend trip for two to Puerto Vallarta?

Cerberus

@FaheemMitha will be pleased they are included amongst the worst 100 atrocities in world history.

Mitch

@Cerberus What about all the other famines everywhere?

Cerberus

@Mitch Apparently, the author things they are less bad or not caused on purpose.

> European colonization of the Americas Americas 1492 1890 398

This one is also affected by duration.

Mitch

9:27 PM

@Cerberus It is a nice place to look up your favorite atrocity and see exactly -how- mad you should be.

Cerberus

> Hundred Years' War France 1337 1453 116

This one less so, because of the Plague.

> Warring States China -475 -221 254

@Mitch Yeah!

I do think Percent of world population killed in event yearly is interesting.

Mitch

And reminds you of atrocities that are not just European (for those of us with a eurocentric education)

Cerberus

Sure.

The chart also shows you how bad WW2 was historically.

Highest death toll, yes, but not of the world's population.

By far.

On the other hand, when you look at the yearly death tool of WW2, it is in the top 4 ever.

Mitch

@Cerberus I think it's be interesting to know if the population of Ireland at the time was 410,000 vs 1,000,000. The rest of the world barely registers in relevance.

Cerberus

So you can look at the y axis (the former) or bubble size (the latter) to assess the importance of WW2.

@Mitch What if only certain parts of Ireland were affected?

Ireland should have the easiest locality, and yet it's still complicated.

So I agree with your point 100%.

But I'm not sure how to do it in practical terms.

Mitch

9:33 PM

OMG I didn't scroll down. That's why I didn't see a whole bunch.

criminy

Cerberus

Hmm you shouldn't need to scroll?

Mitch

but I still can't find the khmer rouge killings

Cerberus

Let me see.

Mitch

@Cerberus in your jpg of the sorted list, not the big graphic with bubbles

Robusto

@Cerberus It would be interesting to see what would happen if you put the Black Death (14th century) on here to give everything else some scale.

Cerberus

9:36 PM

@Mitch OK that's Democratic Kampuchea.

But it seems I accidentally forgot that one in my chart!

Mitch

@Cerberus There's always nuance to be found in anything, but really, some things are pretty easy. here's the border, say the numbers for it. Yes, the slave trades from multiple quasi-literate areas to multiple other ones will be difficult to count, but others pretty strqightforward.

Cerberus

Because I suspect it deserves to be there.

@Mitch Why would a border be very significant.

Mitch

@Cerberus hints at what is politically controlled. not perfect, but better than nothing.

@Cerberus Also that's a pretty cynical (or overly skeptical) way of thinking. It is naturally assumed that -everything is counted by borders (even when borders are porous) and it takes a lot of extra nuanced analysis to do it without assumption of borders.

uno momentito...

el momentito se acabo

Cerberus

@Mitch It may be interesting. But it's still terribly hard to find those numbers for the periods in question for all atrocities.

@Mitch Honestly, I often wonder why so many people do that. It seems neat, but it's often totally misleading.

Think only of how people often compare the populations of cities.

They take whatever figures they can find, which are often official city borders.

Then compare cities whose borders were established in wildly different ways for very different reasons by governments.

Mitch

9:51 PM

yes, I cede that borders (or really 'area under political control' or furtherly vague 'named entity') are not particularly robust (but are somewhat more robust when people are writing things down as part of government statistics.

Cerberus

They can be highly relevant for various purposes.

Mitch

@Cerberus Oh yeah, there's all sorts of those things.

annexations

non-counting of some populations (like citizens vs slaves in ancient Greece)

Cerberus

Oh, sure, there is that, even.

But look even at the map of Amsterdam.

Mitch

take that graph by US county of majority religion. it makes it look like the US is half baptist, half catholic. By population (forgetting county borders, it is not at all)

Cerberus

Lots of large, built-up areas are not counted as part of the city.

Only the coloured neighbourhoods are officially Amsterdam.

Mitch

9:54 PM

what is 'per wijk'?

Cerberus

They don't even connect.

Per wijk = per neighbourhood.

Mitch

ok

do you mean areas outside of the numbered ones are built up with lots of people living there (ie not just business centers)?

Cerberus

Suppose to wanted to cycle from the area to the left of area 88 to the right of area 95. You'd cross several different municipalities, and you'd cross Amsterdam twice.

@Mitch Yes.

All the grey areas are where people live, except the (too smooth grey) aeroport in the lower left.

Whereas area 4 is mostly port, and area 7 pastures and villages.

Maybe area 88 is partly pastures as well.

So the city proper is just incomparable with other cities.

Xanne

10:12 PM

The United States has “standard metropolitan statistical areas” that ignore the local boundaries of cities, suburbs, etc., to take care of unincorporated areas. I’m sure the European Union has some comparable statistical techniques, e.g., so that the Vatican is part of Rome & Italy.

Beverly Hills is totally within Los Angeles but not part of the incorporated city.

Cerberus

@Xanne There are several geographic units like urban area and agglomeration.

But those are not without their issues either.

You always have to make choices.

Robusto

> According to medieval historian Philip Daileader, it is likely that over four years, 45–50% of the European population died of plague.

Cerberus

I think that estimate is on the higher side...

Robusto

I've heard others at about 33%

75-200 million dead worldwide.

Over seven years.

Cerberus

Yeah, it was pretty bad.

Robusto

10:26 PM

It is the scale on which to measure bad, period.

Cerberus

It is said, though, that the sudden availability of land and food once so many people had died provided the survivors with much better lives, and a huge economic boom...

Robusto

Yeah. But after you bury your family with your own hands, I don't think that would be a great deal of comfort.

Mitch

@Cerberus Yay!

separating the wheat from the ... those unlucky enough to die from the plague

Did the plague encourage more sanitary measures? city services like rat killing? smaller family gatherings at christmas?

or is all that just monday morning doctor-backing?

Cerberus

@Robusto Indeed not.

@Mitch I think so, though not smaller gatherings.

Mitch

I feel bad for the rats

every body blames them

and just expect that fleas do what they will do

and the coronavirus bats

they were minding their own business

Cerberus

10:39 PM

Mitch

and then some dude bit their heads off.

did not expect that.

Cerberus

Naah.

Mitch

that cat is just waiting for the right moment

Robusto

And the lion shall lie down with the lamb.

skullpatrol

11:26 PM

or the trumpet will blow the same tune with or without experiencing coV

tchrist

11:52 PM

@Robusto I wouldn't read anything into how your new-case-count today looks more like Thursday's than like Friday's. Saturday is usually less than Friday because not as much reporting is done.

Captain Bohemian

how to reverse stomachache when it shows in the beginning?

tchrist

@CaptainBohemian Impossible to say without identifying the cause.

If your stomach aches because you're hungry, eat.

Captain Bohemian

I have eaten a piece of bread and some corns and tomatos when I felt it's like stomachache may start later, but still let it start.

tchrist

It could be that the acid in the tomatoes bothers your stomach.

If that were the cause, then you might head off the ache by consuming an antacid tablet or equivalent.

Captain Bohemian

I don't have a tablet now.

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