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00:08

@Xanne Hey. Thanks for the reply.

I'll ask the question then. We shall see what happens. (Btw, I think it's exactly what you said it is – I said as much in the comments.)

RegDwigнt

00:47

@CowperKettle funny how shopped it looks. If they went there in person, all the effort was in vain because nobody knew how to hold a reflector.

CowperKettle

02:38

LITTLE BIG - LollyBomb [Official Music Video]

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Haha

RegDwigнt

09:11

@CowperKettle I prefer Skibidi. Closely followed by Faradenza. More authentic.

LITTLE BIG – SKIBIDI (official music video)

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RegDwigнt

15:31

Why do people keep saying "please provide some feedbacks on my musics".

What is this insanity. What is happening.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

17:58

@RegDwigнt *insanities

Sanitaries napkin

Oranges tree. Wait, this one's just weird, not wrong.

Mitch

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ What are the oranges of that tree?

RegDwigнt

18:27

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh, good calls.

RegDwigнt

19:12

> [redacted] has added discussion "Musescore v2 scores not compatible with v3 - longtime users screwed over" in group "Improving MuseScore.com"

Imported scores with soundfonts settings, patches (part properties + mixer patches/intruments) are either not retained or totally broken. [...] Developer Fail 101.
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Contacted email support and wax given a total jerkwad ahole canned response to go to forums for help? Really?
[...]
Let's see if we can get any response beyond some stray moron or musescore cuck forum troll who think they want to challenge me or want to defend a total jerkwad group…

Well. Someone's salty.

I can't afford to hire an orchestra, either. But I also can't afford to switch to MuseScore 3, so maybe that's their problem right there. Just stay with 2, duh.

Come to think of it, I'd rather hire an orchestra than upgrade software that runs just fine.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@RegDwigнt Insulting everything in reach is really old school, bruh.

RegDwigнt

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ah sorry, I omitted a crucial bit.

> Huh, I suppose after years of using MuseScore now with 100+ scores, all set, verified and tested in v2 with proper settings as well as.. professional experience with ui/user experience, development and being an extremely proficient tech/web/application user that this is right way to go.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I wanna participate in Dev fail 101, sounds like a productive use of life.

RegDwigнt

He is a professional ux experience and development.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Proficient web app user? Jeez dude, everyone knows how to Google these days.

@RegDwigнt I think they dropped a "cuckoo"

One flew over [redacted]'s nest.

RegDwigнt

19:24

I am contemplating if I should bite.

For I am a cuck forum troll.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Don't let me stop you

Use politically correct words and sugarcoat it. For extra fun

Alternatively, use the same tone

But the grandpas shouting at each other spectacle gets old really fast.

Sarcasm is also fun, and you're good at it, but it's sometimes hard to keep up

RegDwigнt

Dude. Duuude. It's me we're talking about, mkay?

I've managed bigger spectacles. Heck, my mom wears bigger spectacles.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Well, what if the debate of the century spanned for more than a day and you ended up in an unusually good mood tomorrow because you listened to some good music?

That hurts sarcastic artistry.

Sucks the soul out of sucking souls out of people.

RegDwigнt

Actually you've got a point.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Century, autocorrelation. Century.

RegDwigнt

19:30

Let me go listen to this guy's 100+ professional web scores first.

Maybe he's Beethoven and I will have to adjust.

By replying in German.

Thanks for the heads-up, brb.

Well, sheet. Whodathunk that.

He is a professional Web user. He's using a throwaway account to complain.

I hope in his capacity as a professional user he also uses a VPN.

Otherwise his main profile will look just like that in a minute.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Bummer. Let's check out Skeptics for some fun instead.

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Q: Do we get only about 22% oxygen while minimum required is 75%?

Sanjay Sachdeva claims that we only get about 22% oxygen while minimum required is 75%, and doing certain exercises will improve it - otherwise deficit of oxygen causes damage to brain cells and prohibits development. Is this true?

RegDwigнt

Well fuck. I composed a thorough and short reply. But they've deleted the post.

Now what.

Oh haha, he just reposted it right now.

This time prefixing his title with a "Warning to MuseScore".

Changed quite a bit of the body text, too. Or added to it, rather. This guy's on fire.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It'd be funny if their instruments literally caught fire

RegDwigнt

What instruments. He's a web user.

Probably never touched an instrument his whole life.

If he were a musician, he'd never complain about his work getting destroyed. As a musician, every bit of your work is always immediately destroyed the very second you're finished playing it.

You play a note, and it is gone. Forever.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

That's deep

RegDwigнt

19:42

You can play the same note again, but it will be a different note.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ not really, no. Me and @Rob keep talking about that all the time.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

You're good scuba divers

RegDwigнt

I am a professional scuba diver. Sorry, I mean a professional web surfer.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Same diff. I'm distracted by Idris Elba

RegDwigнt

To your defense, he is hawt.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

He's busy surviving mountains. And low movie ratings.

google.com/…

I want Liam Neeson's The Grey.

Now that is a movie.

RegDwigнt

19:45

Damn. My pineapple is showing. I read that as "Mountain between US". As in, mountain between the US. And wondered what the hell that even means.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ does he jump a fence in 16 cuts in it? If not, I know a better movie for you.

Bryan Mills jumps a fence

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M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Which one is that? Someone killed his dog?

RegDwigнt

No, that's Keanu.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Oh that was John Red. With Bruce Willis.

I keep mixing up Bryan Mills with Ra's al ghul.

RegDwigнt

I think you mean the Hunt for Red Heat. With Stallone.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

They're like identical twins or something.

RegDwigнt

19:50

Yes, something.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I have a theory that if Keanu Reeves removes his mask, we'll see Ethan Hunt.

RegDwigнt

Right. Right. Has anyone seen Ethan Hunt as of the last 15 years?

Oh shit. I am thinking of Ethan Hawk.

Well damn. I fell for my own trap.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

He's not avian

RegDwigнt

Most of us aren't.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

My hair is a bird.

Occasionally after shower

RegDwigнt

19:53

Nelly Furtado - I'm Like A Bird (Official Music Video)

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See, if Nelly Furtado can get away with that kind of horrible fake strings, surely so can I.

Damn, that's a good hook.

Who wrote this. They said she did, but well. Not to discredit Ms Furtado, but they always say that.

Produced by Gerald Eaton and Brian West.

I think West did some Maroon 5 and what's his face, K'Naan, or however it's spelt.

Eaton doesn't ring a bell.

OIC, wiki sez he actually discovered Furtado. As well as wrote Shake it Off. But not the Shake it Off that you're thinking of right now.

Oh and he actually worked with West on K'Naan. Hah. Funneh.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

20:12

Norwegian humor: skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/26532/…

RegDwigнt

20:26

Ugly Children's Clothing, eh?

What a marvellous name.

Also, Skeptics is still a thing? I might actually have a question.

> A story that every American football fan knows and has seen before. Your team is tied at the start of the forth. Eventually, they fall behind by 1 or 2 with only a few minutes left.

Read that earlier today. Immediately wondered if that's actually true. If every football team has been in that situation before.

How common are ties at the start of the forth. And note that only one team can fall behind. The other will automatically not fall behind as a result. So that halves the chances right there.

And of course they could always just stay tied till the end.

Robusto

20:46

@RegDwigнt (yawn)

RegDwigнt

@Robusto inorite, forgot all about it for the last 17 years.

Didn't even download any of her songs when I got Spotify.

Might go and change that actually.

If she's on there.

Robusto

I dunno, I guess I'm just old. All that shit sounds the same to me. It's like they put it all through a blender and then squeeze it out three minutes' length at a time.

RegDwigнt

That makes me worry what I will think of then-contemporary music twenty years from now.

Robusto

Sometimes they surprise you. Mostly not.

But if we don't listen, we never get to like anything new. So listen we do.

RegDwigнt

What I mean is that shit of today sounds all the same to me, but shit from 20 years doesn't. By Justin Bieber's standards Nelly Furtado is fucking Haydn.

So you're 20 years ahead of me, so to speak.

@Robusto yeah that's what I keep telling myself listening to Hindemith and Webern.

I don't fancy telling it to myself while listening to Bieber, though.

I'm not sure how it works.

Robusto

20:55

Speaking of Hindemith:

Paul Hindemith - Sonata for Flute and Piano- I. Heiter Bewegt

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I played that at my senior recital.

RegDwigнt

I don't think I know that one.

@Robusto so you are bananas. It's confirmed.

Robusto

I've never denied it.

RegDwigнt

No, you've never denied that I am a pineapple. The part about bananas I don't remember.

Robusto

Ah shit, I thought that was going to be the whole sonata.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto wait, I don't understand. Why is that beautiful and musical. Have you linked the wrong Hindemith.

Robusto

20:58

Hindemith - Sonata for Flute and Piano played by Paul Michell

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There we go.

It is very beautiful and musical. Why I picked it.

RegDwigнt

Well some of his heckelphon stuff is quite beautiful as well. Or whatever you spell that thing.

But he can be very incomprehensible indeed.

Which, then, is very much his point, of course.

Robusto

Dunno. I had such an antipathy toward him for his "Elementary Training for Musicians" and then this piece warmed me to him.

RegDwigнt

The thing with all this Neue Musik being impenetrable on purpose is, like. I dunno how to explain it. Like someone's telling a bad joke by prefixing it "don't you hate it when people tell the following bad joke". It's still a bad joke and you're still telling it.

Or lampshading in movies. Or video games. You're calling attention to the bad thing, but you're still doing it.

Robusto

Good music is never impenetrable. It doesn't necessarily leave a trail of sweets for you to follow, but it does lure you in.

RegDwigнt

Yeah.

Robusto

21:06

Whenever I hear anything really stunning and new my ear actually twitches. Literally. I wonder where that comes from.

RegDwigнt

Well, I'm not choosing the best words. I'm struggling to explain it. Maybe even to myself. But I hope the general gist is somewhat clear. If only to myself.

@Robusto I'm not sure I ever had that, but it's almost a deja-vu of that feeling now that you say it.

Robusto

Maybe I'll be somewhere where that music is unexpected and it comes out of nowhere and turns my head around.

RegDwigнt

BTW, back to Furtado for just one line. That's very much what I meant by saying "damn that's a fine hook". That's a very backhanded compliment coming from me. Music back then became all about hooks. Shitty throwaway verses, instantly forgettable, just to fill up the time between the repetitions of the one hook.

In some genres it's only become worse.

In others there's not even a hook to speak of anymore. Just porridge all around.

Robusto

Yeah. And then there's all that quantizing and autotune ...

It's all pressed, chopped, flaked, and formed. Blocks of shit.

RegDwigнt

Some people seem to do interesting experiments with those. I've seen analysis videos. Those were just as impenetrable to me as analyses of some of Webern's stuff.

Robusto

21:11

Francis Poulenc - Sonata for Flute and Piano

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Another recital piece of mine.

Thought not the senior one.

RegDwigнt

Well that's a household name.

Actually you may have linked it before.

I recognize the channel name as well.

Of course the chat search is still broken so who knows.

Robusto

Is it really?

RegDwigнt

Well it used to be that you'd just copypaste the video ID, from the end of the link, and paste it into the box, and it would find previous posts of that video.

No longer does.

Try C2dXTfjYPbE

Should at least bring up your post from a minute ago. Does not.

It's not just music, now the Internet is getting worse as well!
What will they invent next...

Robusto

The Internet is rapidly getting monetized out of existence.

RegDwigнt

> Ugh the double tounging part kills me

Well. Just play it all legato, then.

That's what I do and I never had any problems.

Robusto

21:16

Heh. No can do. Ya gotta tongue it as written.

Listen to the slow movement. It's really beautiful.

RegDwigнt

I'm a string player. I see a score, first thing I do I cross out all articulations and bowings, and write down my own.

That can get you a job as a concertmaster. Double tounging never will!

Robusto

But the other thing killing the Internet is willful ignorance.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto I'm two minutes in just that.

Robusto

You wouldn't think ignorance would grow with the easy and abundant propagation of knowledge, but grow it does.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto I don't know that it's even willful anymore. Not a habit, even. Is all people know.

Robusto

21:18

No, you're right. Ignorance is better than knowledge and small vocabularies are better than large ones. — Robusto yesterday

RegDwigнt

That is good. My vocabulary is plus plus not large.

They say ignorance is bliss. Nobody, ever, has said knowledge is bliss. Well I did just now, but I'll ignore that.

Hey yo hold on a sec, Mr Polenc you can't just quote Bach's Badinerie like that.

I might be typing but I'm still listening.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Call it an homage.

RegDwigнt

I can call it Susan if I want to. But a Susan by any other name... uh, what was my point again.

Robusto

Anyway, knowledge is the antithesis of bliss, at least initially. You have to grow into it, which may be why so few people really give that a go.

RegDwigнt

See I even mistyped Poulenc, so agitated I was. My apologies.

Robusto

21:23

I thought that was deliberate.

A sarcastic misspelling.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto well the more you know, the more you realize how little you know. Some people get discouraged by that. Cf. learning an instrument.

@Robusto you are too kind.

Robusto

Always.

The first time I ever picked up a flute I was really impressed with myself, how easily I came to play it. I had a lot to learn.

RegDwigнt

Figures.

Oh so it takes me from Poulenc to Ravel, eh. Well I don't mind if I do.

Is it because they were both French? That's racist. Also, Ravel wasn't even French.

Jesus Christ, what is that articulation.

Ravel - Introduction et allegro pour harpe, flûte, clarinette et quatuor à cordes (1905)

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I can't claim I've seen it before.

Robusto

Funny, but I haven't either. But YouTube took me elsewhere, to this:

César Franck: Sonata for Flute and Piano in A Major, Galway, Argerich

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RegDwigнt

I know the name. I don't know anything else.

Well I know Galway and Argerich which should be Algerich?

Robusto

21:29

Which I also not only hadn't heard but didn't even know about. It must be a transcription, right? I mean, I was searching for serious shit to play and I never saw this?

RegDwigнt

Oh haha it actually is Argerich. I've been wrong forever.

That's ärgerlich.

Robusto

Da.

Yep, it's a transcription.

Violin Sonata (Franck)

The Sonata in A major for Violin and Piano by César Franck is one of his best-known compositions, and is considered one of the finest sonatas for violin and piano ever written. It is an amalgam of his rich native harmonic language with the Classical traditions he valued highly, held together in a cyclic framework. == Background == The Violin Sonata in A was written in 1886, when César Franck was 63, as a wedding present for the 31-year-old violinist Eugène Ysaÿe. Twenty-eight years earlier, in 1858, Franck had promised a violin sonata for Cosima von Bülow. This never appeared; it has been...

RegDwigнt

> What a sound......you will believe first to listen to Debussy....

Dafuq that even means mate.

Robusto

Dafuq do I know.

RegDwigнt

Thing is, I actually might believe it. But we'll never know!

Robusto

21:32

I think they mean you'll think you're listening to Debussy. Which I certainly don't.

RegDwigнt

Oh.

You are right.

At first you might think you're listening to Debussy.

Robusto

Not even at first. It is so not Debussy.

RegDwigнt

Well. That's why I try to stay away from posting comments comparing things to things. I don't always succeed, but I always try.

Because any comparison of X to Y tells the reader exactly nothing about either X or Y. It only tells them exactly everything about yourself.

When all you know is Star Wars, you compare every film score to Star Wars.

Robusto

Maybe.

I never had the Star Wars music as my musical entirety, so I can't relate.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto well yeah if I know for a fact that you know a shitton of things, then yes I can trust you with your judgment. But this is the internet. Nobody here knows anything except Star Wars.

Or Debussy. Which they only know because John Williams stole from Debussy, duh.

Robusto

21:36

I actually subbed into a woodwind quintet for a few gigs and that was one of the pieces they played at "educational" concerts. Meaning the music had to be "relatable" to people who knew nothing about music.

@RegDwigнt He stole from everyone, didn't he?

RegDwigнt

You know, that waltz of mine you heard just earlier, someone elsewhere commented "Beethoven would be proud". I was like what the actual fuck. Do you know anything about anything at all. I facepalmed myself so hard, it's still hurting. That was two weeks ago.

Good thing they didn't say Debussy. I would need to be hospitalized.

Robusto

Beethoven would be proud? Wow, that is wrong on so many levels.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto yeah. Wasn't it Tantacrul with that video on Williams stealing everything?

@Robusto it's more levels than there are levels. It's levels all the way down.

Robusto

Wanna hear the most egregious example of musical plagiarism? Listen to the score for the film Gladiator. It's like a puppy ate up a bunch of Stravinsky and Debussy and Ravel and puked up undigested clods of all of them.

They even stole from other movies.

RegDwigнt

I have that score on CD.

The theme from the Barbarian Horde was one of the first pieces I transcribed for two violins.

Robusto

21:42

Oh, forgot to mention Holst.

RegDwigнt

Actually, I have the entire score for piano solo.

Used to play it quite a bit.

These were the days when Hans Zimmer still stole music.

Robusto

What does he do now? Buy it honestly?

RegDwigнt

And had Lisa Gerard to spice it up.

@Robusto no, now he only steals Braaaaaams. From himself.

Robusto

OIC

RegDwigнt

The funniest comment I read or heard about Interstellar is that Hans Zimmer fell asleep at the organ.

And it's not funny at all.

That's how funny it is to me.

Cracks me up every time.

Robusto

21:44

Heh.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto that's a good point I was thinking about just the other week.

Who the fuck would even know the name Holst if not for John Williams.

Robusto

raises hand

RegDwigнt

Okay, tally's one.

Anybody else?

Thought so.

Thing is, Zimmer is doing all kinds of interesting things on the technical level.

Took him three months to find that one note for the Joker.

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It's a distorted cello.

Robusto

One way I was lucky was my father was an audiophile and had an extensive record collection. Also he would listen to WFMT FM, the Chicago classical music radio station.

RegDwigнt

And I still haven't listened to the score for, what's that WWII movie of Nolan's.

Robusto

21:48

@RegDwigнt Well, that's what a sound artist does, not a composer.

RegDwigнt

In that one he experimented with that one trick where the pitch seems to go up and up and up indefinitely. What's the name of that, Jesus. Why am I so bad with names now.

Robusto

Like a gliss?

RegDwigнt

@Robusto very much so. Which makes me question so many composers these days.

@Robusto no, a repeated motif, rising by a second or what have you.

But with new instruments coming in at strategic points an octave lower, and old ones dropping out unnoticeably.

Let me google.

Nintendo famously did it for the neverending staircase in Peach's castle in Mario 64. Should be easy to find.

Robusto

SOUNDBREAKING | The Making of the Song: Imogen Heap | PBS

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I like her, btw.

RegDwigнt

Shepard Tone!

That's it.

So yeah. I've been told that, like, large parts of Dunkirk, or maybe even all of it, have it as a basis.

Robusto

21:51

Hmm.

RegDwigнt

Endless Stairs 10 Hours - Super Mario 64

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The sound illusion that makes Dunkirk so intense

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Robusto

". . . it is appropriately called the continuous Risset scale or Shepard-Risset glissando." So gliss wasn't totally out of bounds.

RegDwigнt

I guess.

But I also guess we both thought of that other gliss when you said that.

Robusto

David Bedford used that trick in The Odyssey to suggest Penelope's continuous, never-finished weaving.

RegDwigнt

The original thingie seems to be a gliss in that understanding.

But that's not what Mario or Zimmer do.

They use actual notes. Which only makes it more amazing IMHO.

So anyway.

I don't think I told you of that concert I went to like two months ago.

Every two years the local high school for music gives an opportunity for a handful of composers fresh out of school to have their music rehearsed, played, recorded, and broadcast by a state symphony orchestra.

Robusto

21:56

@RegDwigнt Well, as a violinist you know a gliss doesn't have to be a scale.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto exactly. Or rather, my point is that it's anything but a scale.

You literally glide with your finger.

Robusto

Yup.

A piano gliss, however ...

RegDwigнt

So that's the original sine wave thingie. No notes. Just a constant glide.

@Robusto yep. And now we know why violins rule and pianos drool.

Robusto

We always sorta knew that.

RegDwigнt

So anyway. Back to my point again. But I'll cut straight to the chase. Five contemporary composers. All doing the same shit. Not a single melody, not a single motif, barely a single note, even.

One was from Austria, one from Mongolia, one from Japan. The other two also from some corners of the world.

All doing the same shit. Bartok pizz take to the extreme; glissandi.

The trumpets played by standing their instrument on their knee and slapping their flat hand against its side.

The clarinets and flutes played by blowing air into the G hole.

That lovely first flute, with her golden instrument. She had to blow into the finger holes from the side. This went on for a good hour. What a disgrace.

So yeah. Why I'm saying that. Ties into your point.

Not composers. Sound engineers.

Robusto

22:03

Yeah.

I had to laugh when someone "corrected" me about the open-hole keys on the flute. He digested a bit of Wikipedia and informed me that these were for playing quarter-tones, etc. Which is weird because you'd think if a flute was going to play quarter-tones they should be available throughout the entire scale, not just those centered around D, E, F, G and A, right? Also, I've never even heard people playing quarter-tones on a flute. Fucking with intonation? Sure. But not that.

Well, I gotta go shopping or we won't have any dinner tonight. Sucks when I have to cook, yeah? Anyway, cya later.

RegDwigнt

My violin teacher, who plays in the orchestra, but didn't play on that day, she told me the next week they had a rehearsal and on half the cellos the C string broke. I told her about the pizzes they had to play. She said yeah now I understand.

CU.

Ima go hit the bed or sumthin.

RegDwigнt

23:18

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