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@RegDwigнt if you don't use one of those things to edit code, what are you doing with your life? sounds like a clandestine hellscape of Pavlovian proportions.

Arg, why won't this CSS work?

It works when I remove the bit in square brackets.

@MattE.Эллен That is a very difficult sentence.

Are you as much in choc as I am?

Emotionally, this feels worse than a big terrorist attack.

And it's still going on!

Such horror.

@MattE.Эллен A clandestine hellscape as big as a Pavlova? YUM!

Wait. Wait wait wait.

A pavlova as big as a clandestine hellscape.

I mean, if you like meringue and all that.

@Cerberus I don't know how to feel about it. I was just there a few months ago. It feels unreal.

@Mitch Quite.

It's just incredible: how could this happen?

So many monuments have been damaged or destroyed by fires breaking out at the roof during construction works.

This doesn't seem like the 21st century.

I watched a live stream on the YouTube channel of the German State TV, and someone in the YouTube live chat suggested it was Russian hackers.

Bleh.

Trollspeak.

I think few people in Russia would want to destroy Notre Dame.

Only Hitler and IS do such things.

I believe Hitler's generals thwarted his plan to blow up all monuments of Paris upon retreat.

Even most Nazis wouldn't do this.

@RegDwigнt The communist revolutionaries didn't destroy major Russian churches, did they?

They just converted them into musaea of atheism...

@RegDwigнt: Here's my mind going off the rails. I dreamt last night that I had come up with an excellent pun in German involving amerikaner and anmerken but when I woke up I couldn't remember or even dope out what it was.

@Cerberus Indeed not. :(

I was looking forward to visiting it.

@Cerberus A form of iconoclasm?

@Færd Have you been there?

It will be rebuilt.

No.

Had seen mesmerizing videos of it.

@Robusto Well, no clasm!

It is or was perhaps the most important building in all of Europe.

Older than Taj Mahal, more beautiful than the pyramids.

That's a grave loss.

@Færd It's perhaps better in the videos unless you see it on a slow day. The crowds are horrible, especially going up in the tower. You literally are cooped up on a narrow stone stairway and stuck there while the slowest people ascend.

@Cerberus Is it a total loss?

It seems some of the outer walls are still standing, and the exteriors of the belfries.

But the fire is still burning.

Wow. That is terrible.

Everything might yet collapse.

It seems both belfries are burning inside.

And there is still the big fire in the central nave.

The blaze looked surreal. How could there have been so much inflammable stuff in there.

The internal structure is mostly wood.

There there are the pews, the staircases, etc. etc.

The works of art.

I thought it was marble..

Tons of wood, fabric, and no doubt plastic in maintenance areas.

The walls and towers are a kind of stone.

Persepolis was burnt down to.

Another tragedy. But that happened in the 3rd century BC, or when was it?

But that was deliberate, and thousands of years ago.

And what about the Library at Alexandria? Imagine if we could have all that back.

Yeah.

So expendable are we and our stories.

But Notre Dame survived the French Revolution and both World Wars.

First the National Museum at Rio de Janeiro, and now this.

I suppose a building is easier to recreate than the contents of a museum.

I should think the French would rebuild it.

They will.

Still, it's not entirely the same...

> The fire destroyed about 90% of the art collection in the museum with only meteorites and some paleobiology specimen kept in steel cabinets surviving the inferno.

^ Rio.

The most important museum on the entire continent.

Probably most artifacts in Notre Dam had been copied many times.

You are right that this is comparable in its horror to loss of human life.

Do they know how it happened yet?

@Færd What do you mean, exactly?

@Robusto No. It may be linked to construction work in the attics.

> la prochaine heure sera déterminante pour pouvoir sauver le beffroi nord de l'édifice, notamment.

The northern belfry may yet be saved...

@Cerberus That they can replicate the whole thing.

Some Cardinal in the US was saying "the best thing we can do is send our love and prayers" ...

@Cerberus Burning down villages as they leave, though, that was OK.

Love and prayers and a subway token will get you a ride in Manhattan.

"Thoughts and prayers" has become such an irritating cliche.

It's what the NRA has for the victims of mass murder.

@Robusto I wouldn't turn it down

Let them shove their thoughts and prayers up their asses.

@Færd It's all cliche

Word.

There's lots of tapestries and wooden chapels and other flammable art in there, but there's also a lot of sculpture that I figure would be more or less preserved (except if physical trauma from falling walls).

I dunno how marble reacts to fire.

It can get very hot in a closed space.

I'm sure with heat it ain't good, likely to crack?

What I remember most about it (of things that other people don't tend to mention) is the great number of high quality incidental art. The wood sculpture of the railings, and small chapels on the side, wood decoration on doors. The large but dwarfed-by-the-space pulpits.

sigh

Yes. Not to mention all the carvings on the tympanum, etc.

@Færd Yes, they will do so. But it's not the same thing.

@Mitch There is a difference between bad and worse.

@Robusto Very badly.

I believe many of the buttresses had been reinforced by metal, which may or may not be strong enough to keep them standing now.

I doubt whether many of the countless sculptures on the exterior can even be repaired.

Some had been removed for the renovation works.

And they saved some artifacts from inside as the fire began.

> Le secrétaire d'Etat auprès du ministre de l'intérieur, Laurent Nunez, annonce que « le feu a baissé en intensité ».« On peut penser que la structure de l'édifice est sauvée, notamment le beffroi nord », précise-t-il, tout en souhaitant rester « extrêmement prudent ». Une information confirmée par un porte-parole des pompiers, qui affirme que la structure de la cathédrale « est sauvée et préservée dans sa globalité ».

The fire has lessened, and the structure of the building may be preserved.

@Cerberus yeah.

I'd appreciate it if my message were de-starred. It can be unnecessarily offensive out of context.

@Færd Done.

Thanks.

In case there's nobody here, you can also flag your own message.

Okay, good to know.

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It seems the damage is less serious than believed earlier!

You wouldn't think so if you saw this, but the vault is mostly intact!

They said everything had collapsed, but apparently not.

The wooden roof above the stone vault (voûte) has been destroyed, and so have many of the leadlights, no doubt.

There is a big hole in the vault where the spire collapsed.