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2:24 AM

@Mitch The plot thickened right there, and you apparently missed it.

room topic changed to English Language and Usage: Where all questions are always on-topic. And all answers always incomprehensible. And everything that is not forbidden is compulsory. [phrase-requests] [pronunciation] [single-word-requests] [synonyms]

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8:41 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad ns for domain in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (62): "Interested in knowing" versus "interested to know" by Mak. Huzaifa on english.SE

Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus But why do people keep wanting to hurt themselves and those around them? Why can't they just become non-smoking vegan communist? All I want is for the workers to seize the means of production.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +10 more (1286): ketodiettrial.com/keto-advanced-forskolin/ by brokarliksin on english.SE

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12:52 PM

An interesting infographic by OED: public.oed.com/how-words-enter-the-OED/graphic

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1:55 PM

@NVZ OMG. Nice. Should be required reading for all who ask 'is this a word?'

Also, poonami.

ew

2:34 PM

@Mitch For a second I thought you said punani.

Identify the part of speech: Sit down and rest a WHILE

WHILE according to me should be a adverb

but the answer says it is a noun

2:51 PM

@Robusto I'm sure that's been in the OED for a while longer.

@henceproved If so, then what is "a"?

@henceproved Can you replace 'while' with other things that are similar? What are their parts of speech?

Also, time nouns can act adverbially. "I'm leaving tomorrow". 'Tomorrow' acts like a noun and an adverb.

3:40 PM

@Cerberus So tell me a bit about making images of your C drive. Can you do that to move to a larger drive in the same slot?

@Robusto If you use the right software, you can do that without hassle.

I use a free version, which will probably require a bit of extra work if I want to put it onto a different driive.

I currently have a 512 GB SSD as my boot drive. Free space is about 48 GB. I want to upgrade to 2 TB so that I don't constantly have to mess with finding files to delete. Can I just create a disk image onto another drive, then swap it out? How does that work? In the past I've tried just copying everything over (a process that takes a LOOOONG time), and it didn't really accomplish that task perfectly.

Alternative is to upgrade to Win 10 on the new drive and then make that my boot drive.

backup-utility.com/edition-comparison.html

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So if you use the "Professional" version, you should be able to just click "make image" (or similar) in the programme and store the image on an external drive, then click "make bootable drive" (or similar), install your new SDD, boot from the external drive, and click "restore image" (or similar).

Great, thanks. I will look into it.

It's very quick and simple, in my experience.

3:47 PM

@Robusto I used something like backup-utility before. It worked. I just needed my OS info on hand to reverify.

Maybe it will also work with the free version, but they don't guarantee it. And maybe you can find a good free programme that will restore an image to a different drive.

I don't really care about spending $50 to make my life easier.

I didn't think you would.

AOMEI works well for me. I've used Paragon in the past, which also worked well.

Worst case scenario: it doesn't work and you have to copy files after all.

Well, yeah. I wonder about upgrading to Win 10 first, in order to keep apps registered (if that even works), and then swapping. Hmm ...

4:03 PM

Maybe upgrade after is best bet.

How do you mean, registered?

Matt E. Эллен

@NVZ TIL burkini entered the OED at the same time as TGIF

@Cerberus Windows apps need to be recorded in the registry or they won't work.

Mostly that's true.

@MattE.Эллен Did you also know that they named a whole country after that item?

Burkina Faso (UK: , US: (listen); French: [buʁkina faso]) is a landlocked country in West Africa. It covers an area of around 274,200 square kilometres (105,900 sq mi) and is surrounded by six countries: Mali to the north; Niger to the east; Benin to the southeast; Togo and Ghana to the south; and Ivory Coast to the southwest. The July 2018 population estimate by the United Nations was 19,751,651. Burkina Faso is a francophone country, with French as the official language of government and business. Roughly 40% of the population speaks the Mossi language. Formerly called the Republic of Upper...

The French made them spell it differently, I think.

Matt E. Эллен

@Robusto They don't like those English loan-words

No, they don't. I was amused to see that a restaurant at CDG airport listed saucisses américain instead of hot dogs.

Matt E. Эллен

4:17 PM

:D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto *americaines

The French tend to hold foreign loan words with a pair of tweezers at arm's length.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I bow to your superior francophilia.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto It's one of those things that bugs me when I notice it.

Part of which, I must assume, is due to you being homo sapiens canadensis.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

My first language was French actually.

on account of my mom being from Quebec.

4:20 PM

Heh. The item was probably in singular which is why I remember it that way.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It should still have the e. It's feminine.

Feminine, without the plural complement though.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

américaine, though, not américain

But thank you for that elucidation, M. Brillant-et-Nouveau. I always enjoy learning something new.

Matt E. Эллен

americanines

4:22 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, I understood what you meant by feminine ending.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's like hearing people speaking English, only using a/an wrong, and putting emphasis on the wrong syllable.

After the break I will regale you with an anecdote about la langue québécoise. (sp?)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I love anecdotes

Matt E. Эллен

hello @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I haven't seen you in a long time

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yeah I've been very busy at work

Matt E. Эллен

4:25 PM

good?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

you could say that

Matt E. Эллен

yes, I've heard the devil makes work for idle hands, so, better to be busy than be possessed by the devil

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The old job I used to have had some internal political strife and the business imploded. The owner of the Toronto branch of the company started a new company and we partnered with a new business to work with them. THAT business is way more successful than our previous partner, so we are way busier. I'm no longer writing much code and am instead managing two teams and co-managing a third.

Matt E. Эллен

:-o

congratulations on the promotion

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Thanks

It's a nice change, I really didn't like the platform we work with

I've also taken an executive role at my LUG, which takes surprisingly more time than I thought.

Matt E. Эллен

4:30 PM

what does an executive do at a LUG? are you a human kernel module?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

we make decisions for the rest of the LUG.

Matt E. Эллен

ah!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

LUG = Lego User Group (basically a weird acronym for "Lego club")

Matt E. Эллен

I thought it was Linux User Group :D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah I guess the acronyms are from the same family of "x User Group" from the old days of the internet.

We're very busy a LUG this year. One of our members is running a Lego convention in Toronto.

Matt E. Эллен

4:38 PM

wow

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So we are planning lots of builds.

Matt E. Эллен

how many attendees are they expecting?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

the "convention" part already has over 100 people registered. The "public exhibition" part, I don't know. 25k sq feet of display area is what they've got available.

So anyone planning to visit Toronto this summer could do worse than to come Aug 10,11 and visit BrickAssembly

@Robusto The Académie Française uses tweezers; the public gobbles down les hambeurgeurs du McDo avec relish.

@MattE.Эллен The dogs of war

Matt E. Эллен

the puppies of power

4:42 PM

@Robusto Oh, the registry.

Right, quite a few programmes require that. Such a fuss.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇: So here goes. When I was in my 20s I had a girlfriend who spoke fluent French. She had studied for a few years in Paris and then lived in Montreal for another year. She became so habituated that she would sometimes forget English words. She was also a smoker. Anyway, she became aware that quebecois apparently had mixed feelings about Parisian accents, and said the Parisians referred to that dialect as "canardien" (sounds like ducks quacking).

@MattE.Эллен a poonami of ... well, just a poonami

ew

walking the dog

Matt E. Эллен

a poonami while walking the dog? I am never walking your dgo

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 sounds like it'll be a popular event

She would often speak English so as not to give offense with her Parisian accent (so she said). So one day she needed cigarettes and a disposable cigarette lighter, so she went into a store and spoke English to the clerk until she forgot the English word for cigarette lighter. She stammered a bit, then reached in her purse for her spent lighter and held it up, saying un briquet quois.

@MattE.Эллен haha no.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

4:46 PM

@Robusto heh. The Quebecois say the French speak "avec le bec en trou d'cul d'poule"

It's weird. Why the hell don't animals have to wipe their butts after the take a crap.

Whereupon the clerk seethed with rage and angrily told her "Mademoiselle, je parle francais !"

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm not taking your French dog for a walk either

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 hehe

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto heh

4:47 PM

Anyway, that's the anecdote. Flaws in the story, if such there are, may be attributed to my memory and her embroidery.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattE.Эллен I hope so

@Robusto in my experience Quebec likes France more than France likes Quebec.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, America can't seem to get enough of royal weddings, so go figure.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

there's a lot I don't understand about America, I gotta admit.

Also, is quois the right word there? That's how she spoke it.

I think the idea with not wanting to use the Parisian accent was that it might put people from Quebec on the defensive.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yeah. I'm not really sure how strong their attitudes are there about that. Probably depends on where you are.

As for her briquet, I'm not sure what she would've been saying. I just call it un briquet.

4:58 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I assumed it was equivalent to "a lighter thingy" or "a lighter like this" ...

Ostension.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah, probably

Hello @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 will you be coming to chat more regularly now?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Probably not

But today I'm taking things a little easier than I have been the last few weeks

Oh OK. I guess we won't see you or Kit in chat very often anymore.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

A mod can ping me like Reg did and I'll appear

5:05 PM

I can also ping you even though I am not a mod. I know how to do it.

@MattE.Эллен I don't know burkini. I only know bikini.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Jasper I don't know if your pings will work if I've been away too long

Hello!

Matt E. Эллен

5:27 PM

@Jasper en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/burkini

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Have I told you that I'm on Windows 10 on my new computer?

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Jasper is all excited about it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

What?! How?

5:43 PM

@Mitch That's what they use their tongues for.

Captain Bohemian

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 it turns out moderator can ping one no matter how long (s)he hasn't gone to the chat room.

Come winter, a brief warm-up and work-out for me means coming down with a cold.

Messed-up immune system.

Or general constitution or whatever. I don't know the reason.

Captain Bohemian

a good way to keep away from chill in winter is not using cold water to wash your body.

but winter won't persist for long, I think.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:02 PM

@CaptainBohemian yup, that's how Reg pinged me

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6:29 PM

@CaptainBohemian I've also heard the exact opposite of that: cold showers prime your body for the chill.

Neither advice is a general truth, probably.

7:10 PM

> Fun note: this piece of mine was written as a draft in october 2016!

How is that a fun note.

It is barely a note.

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8:42 PM

@RegDwigнt So is C#, but if you play it right it can be fun.

I guess that guy doesn't know how to play it right.

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