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12:08 AM
because he's a man (I fixed it to -ας)
 
12:22 AM
Well done!
The real Ancient Greek name is Ἰάσων, by the way.
 
omega, omicron. why do they make it so hard?!
 
12:45 AM
I know!
Archaic Greeks didn't have omega.
And eta was an h sound.
 
12:56 AM
these days Greek doesn't use the rough marks, etc., just the stress mark and diaeresis.
 
I knew about the lack of marks.
But not that it was now spelled Ιάσονας!
Now I understand your spelling.
 
You are learning Greek, aren't you?
 
Sort of. I had to stop because money became an issue, but I've been trying to go through an old "Modern" Greek grammar book. I don't know how relevant it is
I've tried Living Language books, but they're not for me
 
How old is the book?
What didn't you like about LL?
 
1:02 AM
I do the exercises and listen to the CD, but it's not going into my head. I don't know. Maybe there are too many rules
@Cerberus 1987
32 years old!
I think my main stumbling block is that I can't tell if I need to use the nominative or the accusative (is that the right one?) and so my brain is sort of frozen trying to understand what that is so I know if I'm meant to say Ιάσωνα or Ο Ιάσωνας
and I know there are equivalent things in English to a degree, but I keep forgetting which is which
 
@MattE.Эллен Hmm I think the new "pure" grammar had already been abandoned by then and they had switched to the current system, but I'm not quite sure.
There should be a huge difference between Katharevousa and modern Greek, so it does matter.
@MattE.Эллен You know nominative is subject and accusative is object, right?
 
How arth thee, yo engurishi speakoos.
 
@Cerberus right! I get mixed up which is which
and also which form is nominative/accusative in Greek :D
hi, @Nick. Are you a time traveller?
 
@MattE.Эллен Yes, I'm travelling time as we speak. At a rate of 1 second per second.
 
I think my main problem, really, is just I worry so much about making mistakes :D
@Nick sounds pretty fast. becareful
 
1:16 AM
@MattE.Эллен I wish it would be slower, yes. But alas, the controls are neither with nor within me.
 
there must be an app for that...
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@MattE.Эллен Hah, that I cannot help you with. Except that the letter nu is generally added for the accusative.
@Nick Oh, dear, you're getting older rapidly!
 
@Cerberus Which is fine really, if the side effect of it were not eventual death.
 
How unfortunate for you.
 
@Cerberus one thing I enjoyed finding out is that how mathematicians and scientists pronounce Greek letters is not how (modern) Greeks pronounce Greek letters :D I still can't pronounce Γ properly, but I get close enough.
 
1:22 AM
@Cerberus Is there literature on anyone who has conquered this withering away? I'm not fond of being offline for an eternity. There's just too many internet games I need to play.
 
@MattE.Эллен Yes, well, we borrowed them from Ancient Greek, so we can pronounce them the ancient way.
 
@MattE.Эллен That's Gamma. Capitalized.
 
@Nick Several beings have the potential, like various trees, but also jellyfish.
 
@Nick indeed, but as a native English speaker, and sad monolinguist, I cannot get my vocal chords around /ʝ/
 
@Cerberus That's the most useless creature to give away eternal life to. They sting and have no spines.
@MattE.Эллен That looks like a j ashamed of itself. What phoenetic is that?
 
1:25 AM
@Nick that the sounds of Γ in some circumstances
 
I'm inclined to think it's a 'ga' sound. But I could be wrong.
 
actually, I muddled it up, I can basically do that one, I just sub in /j/
the one I have trouble with is /ɣ/
 
/j/ as in gist, right?
 
@Nick as in "you"
/ju:/
 
O_O
ok...
 
1:27 AM
sorry, I using wikipedia style IPA
 
@MattE.Эллен Is this one a ga sound like in gehrlfrand?
 
IPA isn't 100% consistent in all walks of life
 
let's see ... IPA.. pretty sure it's international phoenetic something
 
@Nick it has no analogous sound in English
 
@Nick Yes, alas!
 
1:29 AM
but Greeks don't mind if you you just say /g/
The voiced velar fricative is a type of consonantal sound, used in various spoken languages. It is not found in Modern English but it existed in Old English {Baker, 2012, P. 15}. The symbol in the International Phonetic Alphabet that represents this sound is ⟨ɣ⟩, a Latinized variant of the Greek letter gamma, ⟨γ⟩, which has this sound in Modern Greek. It should not be confused with the graphically similar ⟨ɤ⟩, the IPA symbol for a close-mid back unrounded vowel, which some writings use for the voiced velar fricative. The symbol ⟨ɣ⟩ is also sometimes used to represent the velar approximant, though...
 
@MattE.Эллен Can we carry this conversation into the linguistics room? I'd like to hear what they have to say. You can also teach me phoenetics in the meanwhile.
 
Alas, I'm going to sleep. Sorry, Nick.
 
@MattE.Эллен oh, it's just a fricative. It should be some buzzing sound, then, no?
@MattE.Эллен Alrighty then, some other time o/
 
I really am muddled. I can't remember which is like "yuh" and which is like "guh".
but not really like either
anyway! too bed before I misspell my own name
@Nick yes :D
 
Alexa, please describe the phoenetic symbols in the name Yu-Gi-Oh
@MattE.Эллен night night :)
 
 
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2:33 AM
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4:26 AM
@RegDwigнt: So we were looking for a deli in Tucson this past week and Google found us a "European Deli" which turned out to be Russian, or at least Eastern European. I took this picture of this snack display. Are these legit Russian items or Ukranian or Kazakh or something like that?
We didn't try any. Just had sandwiches. I had a lox (they spelled it "lux") sandwich.
They also had Greek-ish canned food, like stuffed grape leaves, etc.
BTW, I surmised that the snacks were sunflower seeds. Because, like, sunflowers on some of the packages, etc. That's a lotta kinds of sunflower seeds.
 
 
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1:53 PM
@Robusto looks legit Russian to me. I recognize the brand in the middle of the lower shelf, деревенские. The one on the top left rings familiar, and I think I've seen the big red M logo before, but I could be wrong. The others I don't know, but all the packagings are certainly in Russian and no other Slavic language.
I'm not into sunflower seeds, but all of Russia is crazy about them, especially women. My grandma and mom and all the aunts used to eat them by the tons. The constant sound of them crackling the seeds open and then spitting out the hulls will stay with me forever, as will the sound and smell of the seeds being fried in their shells in an open pan.
 
2:15 PM
Russia also doesn't believe in olive oil, it's all sunflower oil all the way. And it tastes awesome, because it's not raffinated. You can't get that stuff in the West. Same as with corn. I loved corn as a child, but in the EU I stopped eating it altogether because you can only get sweet corn here, which tastes like shit. The corn we have in Russia is called fodder maize here and farmers keep 100% of it to themselves to feed animals. No money can buy it in any store anywhere. Sucks.
 
2:41 PM
@RegDwigнt Thanks. I'm not into sunflower seeds either, but I will eat them in a pinch.
You can get unrefined oils, including sunflower oil, in America. Just look for "expeller pressed" oil, which is (or should be) untreated. See this article.
Also, can you get corn meal in Europe? That is made from the kind of corn you're talking about (i.e., not sweet corn).
Cornmeal is a meal (coarse flour) ground from dried maize (corn). It is a common staple food, and is ground to fine, medium, and coarse consistencies, but not as fine as wheat flour. In the United States, very finely ground cornmeal is referred to as corn flour. When fine cornmeal is made from maize that has been soaked in an alkaline solution, e.g., limewater (a process known as nixtamalization), it is called masa harina, which is used for making tamales and tortillas. Boiled cornmeal is called polenta in Italy and is also traditional dish and bread substitute in Romania. == Types == There are...
 
 
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4:17 PM
Yesterday I was wrong. Today I am right:
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A: Are these PPs or non-finite clauses – or something else entirely?

tchristThere aren’t any prepo­si­tional phrases here, be­cause al­though one typ­i­cally iden­ti­fies the words to and for as prepo­si­tions, they are here func­tion­ing as com­ple­men­tiz­ers of in­fini­tive clauses, not as prepositions. Your sen­tences 1 and 2 do not con­tain prepo­si­tional phrases be...

 
 
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6:07 PM
@Cerberus Yeah, I could imagine.
We went out today for breakfast and I heard more of their dialect. Newlyweds with a newborn. So sweet they melted me.
Ah and the baby practically mopped the floor crawling all over the place wherever we went, with the full blessing of the parents. "A little dirt can't do no harm!", the would say, which reminded me of your messiness.
And @Mitch's.
 
6:22 PM
must "on the one hand" be followed by "on the other hand"?
 
7:02 PM
@Færd Ew. The 5 second rule has been scientifically shown to be an exaggeration. It's really the Zero second rule. Once it touches the floor, e coli.
 
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@CaptainBohemian 'Must' is so absolute. I'm sure there are instances where it might be OK. But in general, if you imply you are going to give an alternative, you should totally give it.
As to wording, 'on the other' might be OK.
It might be a little cliche to use this. You might want to find similar alternatives for alternatives.
 
@Mitch so you mean it's fine if I compose a sentence involving "on the one hand" and then following it with something without "on the other hand"?
I mean a sentence with "on the one hand" to refer to something and without "on the other hand" to refer to another thing.
@Mitch I was indeed just consulting Thesaurus to look for alternatives but can't find one.
 
 
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8:43 PM
@CaptainBohemian No, I don't think it's fine. To every reader, they'll be looking for 'on the other hand', and it'll be extremely disconcerting to not find it.
 

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