Hello @tchrist I hope you are feeling better now. =)

I understand that "bob the great", great is an adjective.. How about "bob the king". Is king an adjective or a noun there?

@barlop A noun.

In both examples, there is apposition.

@Robusto I wasn't judging the piece by the comments. I was judging the comments by the comments.

And the comments shed no good light on the comments.

Also no idea if he did the animations himself. Maybe that was some director's ideas about, well, I dunno what precisely.

@Cerberus would you say that "bob the great", great is an adjective, and Isee you say "bob the king", king is a noun. so, How do you determine when that word at the end of the phrase after "bob the", is an adjective or a noun?

or do you say it's a noun in both cases, so great in "bob the great", is a noun there just as king is in "bob the king"?

@barlop I suppose, in this context, you need to base it on the meaning.

The great normally means something else: either greatness in the abstract, or great people.

Not a single great person.

So in this sentence it has to be an adjective meaning "who is great".

@Cerberus As far as I can tell, all IE languages that have definite articles have the construct PROPER_NOUN + DEF_ARTICLE + ADJECTIVE/NOUN, and usually in that order too, not THE ADJ NOUN, although that can happen too. I'm not sure this is appositive; it seems like it’s a way of qualifying which of several people of that name you're speaking of. Sénèque le Jeune; Peter der Große; Plínio o Velho; Alfonso el Sabio; Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας; εν ημεραις ηρωδου του βασιλεως.

@tchrist Yes, I was thinking of those constructions.

But I'm not sure I understand the opposition you're suggesting between apposition and qualification.

Even qualifiers of generations come afterwards, whether it's Henry VIII, Robert Swan Mueller III, Bush senior, George junior, or Dumas père. We only insert the definite article in speaking for the generational ordinals in English, like Henry the Eighth. Romance doesn't read those ordinals aloud with a non-written spoken article the way we do in English, though,

Hm. George, the new postman, always forgets to close my postbox. George the postman, not George my son.

I'm just fuzzy on apposition in general in these cases.

You can see how deliriously past my bedtime it is. It's tomorrow already for the love of all the stars in the sky.

In some languages there is a tendency to use a comma separating the proper name from the ARTICLE ADJECTIVE/NOUN following, but not always on both sides as you might expect in apposition.

Apposition is not so clearly distinguished from some other phaenomena, I should say.

Hm, this has the full double-comma treatment:

> Sobrinho-neto de Plínio, o Velho, que o adoptou, estava com o mesmo no dia da grande erupção do Vesúvio (79 d.C.), mas não o acompanhou na viagem de barco até o vulcão em erupção que se revelaria mortal.

It is something that qualifies something else and is placed next to it (usually after) in an otherwise unusual way.

@tchrist I should not expect a single comma as a standard rule in any of the modern languages.

But you never know.

And people are known to be sloppy, in English as well.

Can verbs have appositives or just NPs?

Only substantives can have appositives traditionally, I should say.

Seems like it.

Here, no comma:

> Era sobrino de Plinio el Viejo, considerado como el mejor naturalista de la antigüedad.

Well, kind of but not for the Elder.

You might extend it to dual, combinatory adjectives.

He was nephew to Pliny the Elder, considered the best naturalist of antiquity.

But I don't think anyone calls that appositive, even though there is some similarity.

I feel like that "..., considered ..." has something in common with apposition.

Yes, it does.

Participial phrases could be said to be appositive.

Though I think we usually don't use the term for them.

Have you slept yet?

No...

Seems like a good idea.

Well, I have slept for an hour, but that was five hours ago.

You too.

Yes, I can barely see, let alone type, or think.

My problem is the opposite...

I finally get energy and become active past my bedtime.

Or at least past half-day.

Adrenal rushes from all-nighters.

It doesn't feel like adrenaline.

More like finally having fully booted up, the hourglass no longer spinning.

Well, if you saw the sun rise, then your clock will need resetting.

I mean, internal clock.

I see it rise very often.

My internal clock is the spinning hourglass.

Even after not sleeping, the dawn makes me more alert.

It makes me angry.

But anyway, I hope you'll be able to get some sleep.

At?

At it.

For beaming its malicious rays of light at me.

Being angry at not sleeping may not be conducive to its cure.

Indeed not.

Oh the burning beams.

But I usually fall asleep moderately easily.

Clubbers wandering out of clubs at dawn are much in need of very dark glasses.

At least initially—not after I wake up in the middle of the night. And it isn't due to stress.

Indeed, the walk of shame doesn't like the sun.

Well, adieu!

See, too many mistakes. I'm going to go back to bed now. I in a moment of weakness grabbed an after-midnight snack and then in an even greater moment of weakness fed the two gremlins a compensatory treat out of guilt for munching on something while they had none.

It's only 3 hours past my 'normal' bedtime.

Aww.

ok sleep now, night

Well, at least your and they had moments of pleasure.

Baye!

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@tchrist Thanks for undeleting/unlocking/unclosing. All those answers were very sober so they deserve to be made public here.

First snow.