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12:39 AM
@Mitch There is a difference between hearing voices and merely thinking with a metaphorical voice in your head, and some people don't know that and think they have schizophrenia. I have a feeling some shrinks don't ask their patients properly and misdiagnose them. After all, shrinks can be quite stupid.
@englishstudent If you notice, that collection of sites has lessons for many languages, not just English. But I don't buy any Living Language products myself to learn languages, because I think there are better alternatives like Teach Yourself or Assimil.
There are usually three adjacent T in this chat: terdon, Tonepoet, and tchrist.
 
 
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2:28 AM
@Mitch He's not?
@Mitch I learned from Stony that 'blue' can be a euphemism for 'pornographic'. So that's a choice.
But it's just a wish for sweet dreams, really.
 
3:31 AM
@Færd It can, but this might be considered a dated usage for people under 50.
Not sure.
 
3:41 AM
@Færd Sure he is:
7 hours ago, by Færd
Someone's eyeing up a hottie on the opposite sidewalk and, not paying no attention to where they're going, they BUMP! into you. What do you tell them?
 
 
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6:40 AM
@Mitch No point only eyeing. You must talk to them. That is what I intend to do very soon, lol.
 
 
3 hours later…
10:05 AM
I just went to the park to walk for two hours.
 
10:22 AM
Has anyone here watched The Ring, the English movie? I am thinking of watching The Ring, The Ring 2, and Rings.
@Færd I think both blue and porn are beautiful. These two words go well together.
 
 
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3:29 PM
Is there a verb that describes "doing someone's job while they are absent"? In particular, teaching while the regular teacher of a course is absent.
"substituting for" perhaps?
 
4:09 PM
@skillpatrol Hello, pal.
 
Hi pal @JasperLoy
 
@JasperLoy I have been listening to "conversations" lessons there on livinglanguage.com and have almost finished that part.
I used to listen to English podcasts on the internet before coming here. They are similar to movies in many way lel.
 
@englishstudent You can also practise reading them out yourself. That would be additional benefit.
 
I agree. That's a good trick
 
> The things you know you don't know aren't half so bad as the ones you don't.
 
4:16 PM
There are many language resources for learning foreign languages that people can use in different ways. Two people can use the same resource in different ways and get different benefits.
@tchrist It probably means the ones you don't know you don't know rather than the ones you don't know, I think.
 
@tchrist good quote but what's that in reference to sir?
 
@englishstudent I think there is no need to call everyone in this chat sir. =)
 
ok :D
 
Especially when you don't know their gender ;)
 
When I see someone call everyone sir, I immediately assume he is from India. =) It seems a common practice.
I am aware of the singular they but I don't like it. I still prefer using him. =)
 
4:20 PM
@JasperLoy Even if you accept that he/him is gender neutral, sir most certainly isn't. So calling someone whose gender you don't know "sir" can be quite strange.
 
We should not even have actor/actress and lion/lioness. One word is enough for one thing. See, we don't have doctor/doctress! Are we going to have two words for every thing?
@terdon There are some people who even identify as neither sir nor madam. They are in-between.
 
Yep
 
i.e. Bruce Jenner
 
@englishstudent What do you mean when you say 'lel' at the end of a sentence? YOu've done that a couple times, but I don't understand it at all. Is it a funny spelling of 'lol', or is it Singlish, like 'la', or something else?
 
The Adobe reader I am using now has so many options under preferences that it makes me faint.
@Mitch I was also wondering but got too lazy to ask.
 
4:24 PM
@Szabolcs yes, substitute works. Probably depends on the full sentence however.
 
Well, I used to work as a waiting staff in the past and people liked it when I called them sir (males) but @terdon is right, here I don't know people's genders so it can be grating and strange.
 
@JasperLoy I am usually lazy too but that one is just...I have to know!
 
@Mitch It is just like lol but I change the vowels in lol's "o" with "e" sometimes.
 
Actually, I would hesitate in saying people like it unless they told me explicitly so. I for example don't want people calling me sir or madam. But it is standard practice in some letters and some occupations.
 
@englishstudent BUt that doesn't ... correspond to anything that I know of. Is that something you've seen elsewhere? Is it supposed to correspond to how you pronounce it?
 
4:25 PM
@Mitch lel
 
Soon they will have lal and lil and lul.
 
> Lel (and variations including lal) resulted from the use of random vowels substituted in place of the 'o' in LOL. These vowels were used in an attempt to be different from the millions of internet game fags. The word however, in essence, still means LOL.
 
@englishstudent that's hilarious la
 
This abomination of the language is what you get when you have descriptivism and not prescriptivism. =)
 
@JasperLoy lul that!
 
4:26 PM
lyl
sometimes :D
 
@Mitch Well, la seems to be predominantly Singlish, but I don't know la.
 
@JasperLoy prescriptivists ruin many things themselves.
@JasperLoy la la la
ha ha haha h
I made myself laugh with that one
 
5555555
 
@Mitch I decided to use la at the end because it works very well with I don't know, really. I don't know la is so common.
 
I was about to do that one
www
 
4:28 PM
Jaja
 
@englishstudent Oh. You're Spanish, not Indian?
 
There is a yoghurt here which is called llao llao and people tell me it is Spanish, but I don't know, and I don't know how they read the name.
 
@JasperLoy John McWhorter has a language pdcast and his most recent one is the use of 'like' in English (and how kids these days ruin their speech by sprinkling 'like' all over it like) and he is very descriptive about it (as a linguist should be) and noting that there is a 'end of sentence' usage and I just realized that that is a lot like 'la'.
 
llao llao yoghurt is very expensive and I tried it once. Nothing special at all.
 
He said that it is very Irish-English to use end-of-sentence 'like' to say 'this sentence I'm not sure about what do you think'
 
4:30 PM
@JasperLoy The ll doesn't exist in English, it's sort of like yao yao or shao shao depending on Spanish dialect.
 
@JasperLoy that's at the beginning of the sentence. What could that possibly mean?
 
@Mitch I think like is very popular among teen girls in American movies, lol. They will say things like Mitch is like so cute, lol.
@terdon On that point, do you know which are the dialects in this case?
 
The sh sound is South American. Argentinian or Uruguayan, for example. But not every SA dialect uses it, and no I don't know the full list.
 
@JasperLoy I can't deny that teen girls say that, even popular teen girls. I can't confirm it either. I can confirm that usually they say things like 'Who?'.
 
@JasperLoy There are problems with that.
 
4:36 PM
@terdon that sounds like a joke from an American military movie from the 80's, where the cadet has to respond to a female senior officer and doesn't know whether to say sir or ma'am. hahhaha 50 pushups now you maggot.
 
I know Indian speakers like to say I have a doubt for I have a question.
 
@JasperLoy I have doubts about that
 
Or to say Kindly do this for please do this.
 
please do the needful
@englishstudent you may notice that people here (ELU chat, and possibly other SE chats) aren't too into using all the internet slang abbreviations. Like 'u' or 'ur' for you or your, no one ever uses those here.
 
@Mitch That's because they act too high and mighty, lol.
Windows 10 has this irritating thing called Action Center in the taskbar which if turned off can make me not read important messages.
 
4:42 PM
@JasperLoy Windows 10 has this irritating thing called 'Windows 10'
haha hahah aha
mdr
I'm dying
 
I have been using Windows 10 for a few months now. Nothing particularly great. It has crashed three times so far.
 
because
you know
microsoft
 
It might be because my hardware is not the greatest, but still this should not happen considering I consider myself a careful user.
 
@JasperLoy it's 2017. OS's should never crash
 
@Mitch Wow, time flies. I wish I could go back to 1996, possibly the best year in my life, and do things differently from there.
 
4:44 PM
all processes should be sequestered. if there's a problem with any particular process, it's problems shouldn't affect others.
especially OS specific processes.
 
Although this constant “sirring” comes off as the verbal marker of obsequious sycophancy by kowtowing toadies like so many mendicant paupers clutching at one’s hemline, they do this without understanding what a terrible cultural faux pas they’ve committed, because it is normal in their culture but not in ours. These intentions to be polite come off as exactly the opposite. — tchrist ♦ Jan 27 at 12:41
 
like memory management, process scheduling, even wet sprocket toading.
 
That's probably why you don't enjoy getting sirred or madamed, right Jasper?
 
@tchrist Well, yes, it feels like people are kowtowing to me.
 
@tchrist yeah. 'please do the needful' sounds almost... almost like they're telling me to do it.
@JasperLoy kowtow. Is that from Mandarin or... dang I should just look it up.
 
4:47 PM
I come from a culture where kowtowing is common in a metaphorical sense in society, but as you all know, I do not belong to this culture in Antarctica and will leave for Arctica as soon as I can.
@Mitch I don't know.
 
wikipedia says: "borrowed from kau tau in Cantonese (koutou in Mandarin Chinese), " 叩头
So the answer is almost 'yes'
 
No towing services for cows, so the tipping question never arises.
 
@Mitch Oh yes, I can confirm that is kou tou in pin yin.
 
unlike tea which is from Southern Chinese (Cantonese...ish) and chai from Northern (Mandarin-ish)
I just read the article on tea on wikipedia.. So ask me anything.
and I'll tell you to go read the wiki article.
They are a bunch of liars.
 
I think there is essentially only one tea species. The different teas you get are from different methods of processing.
 
4:50 PM
they'll say anything to support their whacked out tea agenda
 
I don't drink tea these days. Mostly coffee instead.
 
@JasperLoy In what way do you mean 'metaphorical'? Politeness is common to all cultures, but some more so than others.
 
But it isn't the same everywhere.
 
@JasperLoy there are biological systematizations that are finer grained than species. 'veriety' I think. and Indian teas are distinct varieties from the Chinese ones. (i.e. not just processing methods)
@JasperLoy I drink tea mostly, except the one day a week I'll drink coffee (as long as it is highly sweetened and chocolate and milk, so that it doesn't taste at all like coffee)
 
@Mitch It's more like sucking up rather than being polite. That's what I had in mind. But yes, there is sucking up everywhere, but I think there is a more extreme form of it as well.
 
4:55 PM
@Mitch Et tu Mitch? Why OS's instead of OSs?
 
@JasperLoy like the recognition that someone else is of higher social status, people usually are overly polite, offer things to them they wouldn't to someone of their own social status, or use terms of address that are special?
 
Did anyone test for himself USB 2 and USB 3 to see if the latter really can transfer large files 10 times faster for a thumbdrive?
 
@terdon hahhaha. I don't care! Or rather I make up my rules as I go a long. Like that. 'A space long'.
 
@Mitch Something like that.
 
@JasperLoy which ones?
 
4:56 PM
@Mitch But, but, we need rule's!
 
In the US, sir and ma'am are less common (still more common in the South). but not overly polite, and no offers of things.
 
@Mitch All those and more.
 
Frankly, if you want some tea, there's the stove and kettle, make it yourself.
@JasperLoy what kind of more? I'm curious.
 
hello people.
 
4:58 PM
@Hellion Hello.
 
All those things make me tense and anxious, never know if I'm doing it right.
 
I have an obnoxious observation to make.
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Q: Comma and Rephrasing of " and when needed"

JanaI am writing a Cover letter and my paragraph reads as follows: (the last line sounds somewhat clumsy to me). I demonstrate ample professional experience in the academic writing sector and communication sector acquired at prestigious international universities, research centers and organizatio...

 
@Hellion nice. please observe.
 
Shouldn't the OP's background as an international editor and writer have equipped her with the skill to craft that final sentence in a more clear, concise and when needed compelling manner?
 
4:59 PM
@Mitch Like maybe someone comes in to the hall and people have to stand and rise even though he is not of a rank that people have to stand and rise in other countries.
 
@Hellion haha. yeah totally.
also. it's proofreading.
 
@Hellion You look like someone on Math SE who also uses the word obnoxious frequently.
 
also, it's either needs extra commas around when needed, and an extra oxford comma, but that would shoot the readers eyes with too many commas.
@JasperLoy that's pretty obnoxious
 
@Hellion I am not talking about this case, but in general, lots of people do jobs that are not suitable for them because they lack the necessary skills.
 
@Hellion Or, for that matter, the first.
 
5:02 PM
@Mitch Or when I went for an interview and someone told me to read the book which describes the achievements of the interviewers when I don't care who they are and they are nobody to me and I was only there because they forced me to.
 
@JasperLoy sure, but it's just a bit ironic that someone comes to the site asking for writing advice about how to sell their skill at writing.
 
Talking about lacking the skills to do their job, there are math teachers here who think that the empty set containing the empty set is the same as the empty set.
 
Also I don't think I've ever posted on Math.SE but if I do I'll try to work in the word "obnoxiously" at least a couple of times.
 
@JasperLoy Camellia sinensis is the species of plant that tea comes from, but you're right, most of the drinks are differentiated by preparation process mostly amount of 'oxidation' (less is greener, more is blacker)
 
@Mitch You know, what I said just now I said because I read Wikipedia 9000 years ago on tea. =)
 
5:05 PM
@JasperLoy Some people need ego boosts
 
Some Most
 
@JasperLoy I could edit the article and add some BS which then you wouldn't know. And then I'd win the game. Game over.
what's the markdown for cross out ? Was that it? weehoo! that's it! Thanks @skillpatrol !!
 
@Mitch I would like to share a secret with you. At home, I usually tell my mum in response to all these small people thinking they are big (not physically): At my level, I only listen to my mum and the Buddha. Now I sound bigoted instead of the people I claim to be bigoted.
@Mitch That day, I actually saw a Wikipedia article with crap sentences. Some prankster actually managed to do it but it was removed in a few minutes.
 
@Mitch np pal.
 
@JasperLoy The Buddha is overrated
If you meet him in the road you're supposed to kill him.
 
5:08 PM
@Mitch Another secret. At home, I usually tell my mum: These people think they are one level above me, but they don't know they are ten levels below me.
 
But that seems a little extreme. Maybe you should just give him the stink eye, then let it be.
make him worry a little but that's it
 
@Mitch When I saw the title of the book I didn't even want to open the cover anymore. It's probably crap.
 
@tchrist Well that is true and strange at the same time. I have worked some low level jobs and I have noticed that people secretly like when you give them respect like “sir” etc. but then when you are direct and them and not sycophantic and toady like you say, then, quite often they take it the wrong way, like “Look at your status and the way you talk to me!”.
People are idiotic more often than not. Sorry if that’s rude but I don’t mean anyone in particular, just making a general observation about the world.
Also if someone calls you a sir and they are not making a mistake like they can know the gender from your name then why is that sycophantic? Maybe it is cultural but I don't follow. Maybe I'm programmed that way.
 
@englishstudent Well, many people have ego problems.
 
Yeah =)
 
5:10 PM
@englishstudent From your chat you don't seem like a non-native speaker. You sound quite native already.
 
Thanks =)
 
@englishstudent everybody has ego issues, but some cultures may play it up more than others
 
Time for some food!
 
@JasperLoy YOu just have to be polite and look at the book and say something nodescript like 'Wow, this must have been quite an accomplishment. Such a sign of erudition and effort! Look at the binding how strong it is. The font is clear and readable, yet one each page there are many letters..."
 
@englishstudent "Look at your status" is a cultural gaff.
The hierarchical lordliness is offensive to us. :/
 
5:16 PM
@JasperLoy yeah (respnding late to this). I feel like if people were only told that those voices are random things from your own head, just think of them as dreams, then that might give them a strategy to deal with them.
Also psychologists are people too, they're not perfect. You'd think they'd know enough things by now to help, but they're not perfect.
in the US clinical psychiatrists/psychologists also have to go through talk therapy themselves as part of their job qualifications. a it of the snake biting its own tail, but still gives them perspective on their own patients by being a patient themselves. Hopefully they have their problems under control.
 
They can't even define "consciousness."
 
I don't think that really hinders them terribly. The vague "what you say to yourself without speaking" is probably sufficient. Most people's problems are substance abuse, OCD, anxiety, depression which aren't really 'train of thought' centered.
 
hmmm...
but doesn't abnormal psychology need to compare to something?
if that's what you mean
 
6:37 PM
@skillpatrol sure. but for the instances I gave would you use 'average' consciousness for the comparison?
 
6:56 PM
Some movies are so boring that I stop at 20 minutes into it.
Strange that Kit and Matt are not here on some days and both here on others. Maybe they are playing a game with us, lol.
 
@JasperLoy Or maybe we're playing them and we ourselves are not here. And the game is with our self.
bites own tail
ow
 
Sure you could say "average" consciousness, but my point is that there is no agreement on what consciousness is? @Mitch
It's like a rug they sweep all the unknowns under :-)
 
7:13 PM
Whatever you're calling consciousness, even if it onl partially overlaps mine, even if you can yourself not decide on exactly what it is, is any of that relevant to the problems I mentioned?
 
is it a problem?
I'm not trying to be argumentative :-)
The brain is complex.
 
@skillpatrol sounds reasonable.
 
 
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8:51 PM
The problem with some single word requests is that they ask for a word that has to satisfy so many requirements at the same time that it actually does not exist!
Then someone comes along and gives a word that doesn't satisfy the requirements, and the asker says it is perfect!
In this case, it seems that neither the asker nor the answerer knows what he is doing.
 
Skill or skull? Patrol or petrol? LOL
 
Some answers are upvoted because the user has a high rep, or because it contains difficult words or technical words, not because they are good or correct.
 
This isn't the OED.
 
8:57 PM
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Q: What word can be used to describe mathematically increasing dimension?

script8manI'm looking for a concise way to describe expanding the dimension of an object, i.e. taking a square and turning it into a cube. In order to turn a square into a cube, you _____ it into three dimensions.

Don't get what he is trying to ask for.
A square is a square. A cube is a cube. One does not simply turn a square into cube. That is called magic.
 
Transform
 
I would closevote this as not a real question.
What word can be used to describe turning skillpatrol into skullpetrol?
That is how this question reads to me.
 
mutate
 
I don't like all the comments on that question, except the one by David which asks why people are commenting and not answering, lol.
 
Like a Ninga turtle :-)
 
9:08 PM
What word can be used to describe turning Donatello into Leonardo? =)
 

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