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Q: Word for addition/removal but not alteration

TravisPretend I have a list of things. Let's call it Bert. I'm looking for a single word which I can use that describes the change to Bert when I add or remove an item from Bert, but which does not apply if I somehow alter an item Bert is already carrying. I can think of several words that are generi...

 
12:49 AM
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Q: Which word can I use for a situation where a manufacturer artificially introduces restrictions in software in order to upsell more expensive products?

JonathanReezIt is often the case that model A and model B from the same manufacturer use the exact same hardware, but model A is a lot cheaper because many of its features are artificially locked down in software. This lets the manufacturer upsell model B while only producing one version of the product. Is ...

 
1:39 AM
I must quit saying opposite from. Opposite alone, or with some other preposition (eg to, of) always sounds better I guess.
 
2:05 AM
Tons of mondegreens there, eh?
From the composer's mouth.
For vespers....
Something about the choral version that Barber himself set his own already long-famous music to makes it fresh again. Why does this bring one to tears?
 
 
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Q: A word that means something is lacking lubrication?

Roger RivasExample The unlubricated gears started to churn and eventually were destroyed due to the friction I don't think unlubricated is an actual word which is why I am asking for another word that means the same thing.

 
6:19 AM
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Q: Word for people formally flanking a path

dukeregWhat is the word for the formation of people flanking a path as part of a formal occasion? It is usually full of military men in formal uniform. I believe it happens after some ceremonies where men in uniform hold out weapons above the heads of people walking through. e.g. "The procession moved...

 
6:34 AM
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Q: Is there a now meaning someone envious?

kalinkaSoz, not a native speaker. From where I'm from, we have a pejorative word for someone envious especially who envies or hates people for no reason. Like, he/she is envious about someone for having this or that.

 
 
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11:16 AM
Good morning
 
11:51 AM
@tchrist Choral music fan?
 
 
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1:52 PM
Hello.
 
Welcome
murmur/ˈməːmə/
it's the same part of word
mur mur
but why in the first part is long and the second is short
 
 
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3:20 PM
@Educ It isn't; that's just something that British people do when they write phonemic representations, because they believe that length is phonemic for them. We write /ˈmʌɹməɹ/ or /ˈmɝmɚ/. Length is not phonemic in America: there are no minimal pairs where one version has a long vowel and the other a short one.
 
yes that's what teacher wrote
/ˈmɝmɚ/.
 
@tchrist I think it is actually longer in some BrE accents though. I know it isn't in mine, but I think it would be in RE for instance.
 
I'd probably write it that way.
 
Quote of the day:
> When people say, "I've told you fifty times,"
They mean to scold, and very often do;
When poets say, "I've written fifty rhymes,"
They make you dread that they'll recite them too;
 
3:22 PM
heh :)
 
/ˈməːmə:/
 
@Educ Yes, I hear the first one longer in the British ones.
 
@terdon Nobody said that the tense vowels in beat and bait aren't held longer than the lax ones in bet or bit. What we're saying is that that length component isn't something that should go in slashes because it is not phonemic; changing it doesn't change the word. In brackets you might write it.
Contrast that with stress, which really is phonemic in English.
 
what about orange I wrote it like that : /Orændz/
 
Well, that's something of a hard one.
 
3:25 PM
@tchrist Ah, I see. My IPA-fu doesn't extend to that.
 
Orange is probable [ˈɔɹnd͡ʒ] as one syllable.
But as two it might be oh + rain + the beginning of jerk
 
@tchrist I'm using this website but I found that my professor worte things different
 
or oh + range
 
so and there is just few days before the final exam
so I'm not sure I just thing i'm gonna memorize
what she wrote
 
> Unconsciously she lean'd upon the other,
Which play'd within the tangles of her hair:
And to contend with thoughts she could not smother
She seem'd by the distraction of her air.
'T was surely very wrong in Juan's mother
To leave together this imprudent pair,
She who for many years had watch'd her son so—
I'm very certain mine would not have done so.
 
3:28 PM
@Educ An exam is only there to show that you can write what the professor wants you to write, alas.
 
What is the meaning of "by the distraction of her air"?
 
dunno
 
I'll ask on main site then.
 
She had an air of distraction, presumably.
The real answer is that the author needed a rhyme.
 
SBM
Hello.
 
3:29 PM
yeah
 
That's what I thought, she kind of pretended to be a little distracted.
 
Putting on airs of distraction.
 
@tchrist Yes exactly
i'm not used to memorize things
I use trick to remember those phonetics
 
Not necessarily putting them on though: "You have a distracted air about you" or "You have an air of distraction" both make sense. Contrived, mind you, but grammatical.
 
SBM
Hope everyone has a nice 2018.
 
3:31 PM
for example when i found 'U' in word i know it's V versed
 
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Q: Meaning of "a certain air of"

RomanWhat does "a certain air of" mean? I met it in the Chapter 3 of "A Study in Scarlet" by sir A. C. Doyle: He was a man with some amount of self-importance and a certain air of command.

Also, definition 4 here: merriam-webster.com/dictionary/air
> a : outward appearance of a thing an air of luxury
b : a surrounding or pervading influence : atmosphere an air of mystery
c : the look, appearance, or bearing of a person especially as expressive of some personal quality or emotion : demeanor an air of dignity
d : an artificial or affected manner put on airs
 
or ===> /O:/
 
[ˈɑɹə̃nd͡ʒ]
[ˈɒɹɪ̃nd͡ʒ]
[ˈoɹæ̃nd͡ʒ]
[ˈoɹẽnd͡ʒ]
[ˈoɹẽnd͡ʒ]
[ˈoɹɛ̃nd͡ʒ]
[ˈoɹñ̯d͡ʒ]
[ˈɔɹə̃nd͡ʒ]
[ˈɔɹ̃nd͡ʒ]
 
oh tannenbaum
 
Both the first vowel and the second one are subject to a good bit of variation.
And the second one is nearly always nasalized, as though it were French or Portuguese.
I count four possibilities for the first vowel.
And easily that many again for the second one.
Stupid thing put the tilde on the wrong one, oh well.
 
SBM
3:40 PM
I wish I was IPA literate.
 
Worrying about narrow phonetics is really hard. Locking in broad phonemes shouldn't be.
That one should have been [ˈoɹ̃n̯d͡ʒ] .
Orange is hard for several reasons, but to say it's an uncommon combo of phones or phonemes in English is an understatement.
[ˈõ˞ɪ̃d͡ʒ] might be more reasonable, or [ˈɔ̃˞ɪ̃ⁿd͡ʒ]
There are probably fewer discrete phonemes involved than letters would indicate.
And I hope that's all the teacher cares about.
Not actual pronunciation.
Orange is the only word I can think of with "mandatory" nasalization in English.
But it happens lightly in words like ring and rang and range too.
There's also a (customary) neutralization of the tense–lax distinction happening before a nasal.
All these make the phonetics hard.
 
> 'T is said that Xerxes offer'd a reward
To those who could invent him a new pleasure:
Methinks the requisition's rather hard,
And must have cost his majesty a treasure:
For my part, I'm a moderate-minded bard,
Fond of a little love (which I call leisure);
I care not for new pleasures, as the old
Are quite enough for me, so they but hold.

(What is the meaning of "so they but hold"?)
 
Because different speakers will or will not have a bunch of these features, and may or may not even be able to perceive them.
It means that they're good enough.
They only just hold.
 
@SBM I prefer a stout or lager
 
As, so so means "even if"?
 
3:50 PM
No, it means "therefore".
"But" means only.
Or just.
 
Hm.. thank you!
It's much clearer than Aurora Leigh anyway
 
This use of but is quite common in poetry, but less so elsewhere these days.
 
@tchrist or yet
or 'not'
 
There are many questions on ELU about it with answers but a click away.
 
clicks
clicks again
argh, another click
 
3:52 PM
No butt clicks in this chat.
Native speakers always know the many senses of but, yet learners are seldom taught these.
 
@tchrist It's kind of a big one
I'm going to use that joke over and over til it kills me.
clutches chest
swoons
 
Is there ' grantie' in colloquial language
instead fo granted
 
??
do you have a sentence?
 
check this video
 
dunno it
 
oh... granite, not grantie
no it's a play on words
 
mondegreen
 
ah yeah
I love that series
 
sometimes people pronounce things a little off when they say 'take things for granted' and it sounds a little like 'granite' /'græ nit/
the last syllable almost not there
@Educ it's pretty amazing
not expected
 
Yeah my favorite one is In the court
State of Georgia
 
4:01 PM
He Juan’d it to go.
/wɑnɨd/
The dental-series stop disappears.
 
> Sweet is a legacy, and passing sweet
The unexpected death of some old lady
Or gentleman of seventy years complete,
Who've made "us youth" wait too—too long already
For an estate, or cash, or country seat,
Still breaking, but with stamina so steady
That all the Israelites are fit to mob its
Next owner for their double-damn'd post-obits.

(Why does he use the word "Israelites"?)
 
More idea-free offerings from me.
 
I'll ask on Literature SE
 
I'd do that, thanks. It takes a lot more context than I myself possess.
 
when someone use the following express: " Do you understand English language ? "
means that you are stupid and can't understand anything even you're native americain
 
4:06 PM
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Q: Meaning of "Israelites" in Byron's Don Juan: "That all the Israelites are fit to mob its next owner for their double-damn'd post-obits"

CopperKettleFrom Byron's Don Juan: Sweet is a legacy, and passing sweet The unexpected death of some old lady Or gentleman of seventy years complete, Who've made "us youth" wait too—too long already For an estate, or cash, or country seat, Still breaking, but with stamina so steady That all t...

 
Metaphore
 
Sometimes even native ameriabels cannot understand some things.
 
@Educ Native Americans speak Navajo.
:)
In America, Indians are often known as Native Americans.
 
a member of an American Indian people of New Mexico and Arizona
ah I see
 
Meaning descendants of pre-European settlers.
 
4:09 PM
i mean native speaker of english
 
I know. :)
It's a tricky phase.
 
:)
yes
 
"American whose native language is English" is tediously long, but reasonably accurate.
U.S. people whose first language is English.
@CowperKettle Thanks!
 
> Man's a strange animal, and makes strange use
Of his own nature, and the various arts,
And likes particularly to produce
Some new experiment to show his parts;
This is the age of oddities let loose,
Where different talents find their different marts;
You'd best begin with truth, and when you've lost your
Labour, there's a sure market for imposture.

(I wonder what's the meaning of "when you've lost your labour")
By the way, shouldn't one keep the word order: "I wonder what the meaning of "when you've lost your labour" is"?
 
4:26 PM
@CowperKettle yep
 
But this way it looks so clumsy
> Bread has been made (indifferent) from potatoes;
And galvanism has set some corpses grinning,
But has not answer'd like the apparatus
Of the Humane Society's beginning
By which men are unsuffocated gratis:
What wondrous new machines have late been spinning!
I said the small-pox has gone out of late;
Perhaps it may be follow'd by the great.
I LOL'd
 
You can't say "I wonder what's the meaning of foo".
It's not grammatical.
 
nods
 
@tchrist I'm not sure if that is a yes or a no.
 
4:29 PM
I was just broadcasting my current playlist. :)
But yes.
Somebody doesn't know English, alas. It cannot be "Sir Attenborough's", only "Sir David's" and that only if you feel inclined towards honorifics.
"Sir" as an honorific takes a first name, not a last name.
The production values here are really impressive.
 
I'm not sure what I think of English choral music, but they certainly have unearthly and unworldly covered.
 
5:23 PM
@FaheemMitha The Taverner mondegreen is to hear them saying "Though I say I'll dance for joy".
It's actually "O Isaiah, dance for joy".
 
@tchrist I don't recall having heard the term mondegreen before. And yes, I looked it up.
Oh, it's an invented word.
 
The Taverner uses harmonies seldom heard in the Common Practice Period.
@FaheemMitha Yes.
 
I usually can't understand lyrics well enough to make out the words.
 
Then the singers have failed.
 
@tchrist Indian is a nonsense term in this context.
Though people don't like it when you point that out.
@tchrist I think I probably just have poor listening/comprehension skills.
 
5:29 PM
@FaheemMitha In the common context of American English, "Indian" refers to the pre-Columbian peoples of these lands.
 
@tchrist Yes I know. It's still terrible technology.
"pre-Columbian". Hmm.
 
Do you understand how infinitesimally inconsequential India has for many centuries been to America?
Nobody ever thinks of India when they hear about cowboys and indians. Nobody.
 
@tchrist There are lots of Indians in the US. Though I think that usage is also getting less common.
 
Someone ten thousand miles away may think of it ten thousand times more often, for they are themselves deep in the culture of India. But America and its founding and development, no, that is not.
Political correctness isn't going to eliminate this.
I live in the West of America, the last of the frontier, where wars with the Indians are still fresh in our minds. You can't politicate that away. :)
Thought arguably, Alaska is still frontier country.
When the denizens of India cry "WE'RE MORE IMPORTANT! THERE ARE MORE OF US! STOP USING INDIAN TO MEAN YOUR PEOPLE NOT OUR PEOPLE!" we hear them not.
 
Neither Indian or Native American is really sensible terminology. But Native American is arguably less insane and disrespectful.
 
5:35 PM
For they are ten miles away.
Times a thousand.
 
@tchrist I doubt anyone in India cares. I do, personally.
They're too busy not starving and stuff. And if they are not starving they are busy trying to make money.
 
Indians themselves normally use the name of their tribe to describe themselves.
 
I've actually never heard an Indian objecting to that terminology.
 
And they do not.
 
@tchrist Pardon?
 
5:37 PM
Indians don't mind being called Indians.
 
@tchrist Sorry, I'm confused. Do you mean Native Americans? By Indians I meant Indians.
 
@FaheemMitha That sentence doesn't work for me.
The Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) is an agency of the federal government of the United States within the U.S. Department of the Interior. It is responsible for the administration and management of 55,700,000 acres (225,000 km2) of land held in trust by the United States for Native Americans in the United States, Native American Tribes and Alaska Natives. The BIA is one of two bureaus under the jurisdiction of the Assistant Secretary for Indian Affairs: the Bureau of Indian Affairs and the Bureau of Indian Education, which provides education services to approximately 48,000 Native Americans. The...
 
See what happens when one wildly misuses terminology.
 
It's not a misuse.
 
@tchrist Sorry to hear that.
 
5:38 PM
That's the etymological fallacy.
The Bureau of Indian Education (BIE), headquartered in Washington, D.C., and formerly known as the Office of Indian Education Programs (OIEP), is a division of the U.S. Department of the Interior under the Assistant Secretary for Indian Affairs. It is responsible for the line direction and management of all BIE education functions, including the formation of policies and procedures, the supervision of all program activities, and the approval of the expenditure of funds appropriated for BIE education functions. The BIE school system has 184 elementary and secondary schools and dormitories located...
 
@tchrist Arguably neither Indian nor Native American are sensible terminology.
But NA is preferable. But I'm repeating myself.
 
The etymological fallacy is a genetic fallacy that holds that the present-day meaning of a word or phrase should necessarily be similar to its historical meaning. This is a linguistic misconception, and is sometimes used as a basis for linguistic prescription. An argument constitutes an etymological fallacy if it makes a claim about the present meaning of a word based exclusively on its etymology. This does not, however, show that etymology is irrelevant in any way, nor does it attempt to prove such. A variant of the etymological fallacy involves looking for the true meaning of words by delving...
 
Bottom line - the people who murdered the native inhabitants of the North American continent don't get to name them.
 
@FaheemMitha Are you Hopi or Zuñi? That's their argument for why it is wrong to call the ancient Puebloan peoples Anasazi, the Navajo word for "ancient enemy".
This is a matter of much grief here.
Or at least, in the lands of the Four Corners.
And thereabouts.
 
@tchrist I think people should be free to name themselves. But mostly the Natives are dead, so I suppose naming is among the least of their concerns.
 
5:43 PM
@FaheemMitha The exonym is despisèd.
The Ancestral Puebloans were an ancient Native American culture that spanned the present-day Four Corners region of the United States, comprising southeastern Utah, northeastern Arizona, northwestern New Mexico, and southwestern Colorado. The Ancestral Puebloans are believed to have developed, at least in part, from the Oshara Tradition, who developed from the Picosa culture. They lived in a range of structures that included small family pit houses, larger structures to house clans, grand pueblos, and cliff-sited dwellings for defense. The Ancestral Puebloans possessed a complex network tha...
> In contemporary times, the people and their archaeological culture were referred to as Anasazi for historical purposes. The Navajo, who were not their descendants, called them by this term. Reflecting historic traditions, the term was used to mean "ancient enemies". Contemporary Puebloans do not want this term to be used.
It's hard to argue with them that they don't have the right to self-naming. But it's even harder to make the other term go away.
Where do you stand on Welsh? :)
Welsh meant foreigner. The name for the people, and for the language, is different it its own language than it is in English.
Cymric, Cymraeg, Cyrmry
Where cym is pronounced /ˈkəm/
The Navajo word for Navajo is Diné. :)
 
folks! how do you transcribe this word : 'passport'
britsh
 
@FaheemMitha The most honest thing we can say is that the English language has often been bad at naming peoples that are not English ones.
 
ˈ/paespɔːt/??
 
/ˈpæspɔɹt/ for me but I'm a rhotic speaker.
Who's unaffected by the TRAP–BATH split of southern England, which occurred after colonization so did not reach these hither shores.
I don't know if Brits say pahspoht
 
our professor worte it like that /pɑːspɔːt/
 
5:53 PM
I imagine. You replace phonemic /r/ with a long mark in Standard Southern English phonetics.
Go ahead, try to make them say parse pote :).
 
hahaha
 
I'll pass on that
 
@tchrist did your people who made this kind of music
 
This is why vowel length is not phonemic in American English: we have phonemic /r/ instead.
@Educ Sounds Kumrick to me. :)
Who are not, for the most part, "my" people per se.
I have a wee strand of Kelt in my heritage on my mother's side, but it is diluted across many generations and the English do not care to speak of it.
 
yes I see what kind of music that belongs to your race
 
5:58 PM
That said, the mountain bluegrass music of the Appalachian and Rocky Mountains owes much to the Kelts.
@Educ I don't know that I think of myself racially.
 
Okay I'll try to search that on youtube
 
Composer Aaron Copeland is generally considered one of the best classical composers to capture the sound of Americana, which considering his own Jewish heritage, is ironic.
Folk music.
 
Probably well done.
I grew up knowing English ballads and folksongs.
 
Cool
 
6:02 PM
And by "English", I do indeed mean from England. American culture came from there, and while it has taken in many other strands since then, that remains our cultural core.
Negro spirituals injected their own strand.
"Oh Shenandoah" is an American folksong; "Gypsy Rover" is likely Irish; "Greensleeves" is English. We learned all those.
Woodie Guthrie wrote "This Land Is Your Land". "America the Beautiful" is at its roots a hymn, a paean to America.
Most folksongs have no author.
They're traditional.
Those are all songs I sang as a small child.
So those are all songs "of my people".
It should be no surprise that the folksongs of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales should have been brought to America.
> Appalachian music is the music of the region of Appalachia in the Eastern United States. It is derived from various European and African influences, including English ballads, Irish and Scottish traditional music (especially fiddle music), hymns, and African-American blues.
These things all blend together.
That's often the music favored by folk musicians here in the Rocky Mountains, too.
Music from the British Isles, twice removed as they say of cousins.
But not wholly nor solely from there.
> Immigrants from England, Wales, Ireland, and Scotland arrived in Appalachia in the 18th century, and brought with them the musical traditions of these countries. These traditions consisted primarily of English and Scottish ballads— which were essentially unaccompanied narratives— and dance music, such as Irish reels, which were accompanied by a fiddle.[
Fiddle music.
 
very intersting
we gonna study culture americain in semster 3
yes i know ENGLISH means ENGLAND
 
Yeah it's comes from Ireland
 
That's well done.
 
am I right
 
6:18 PM
Yes, usually that's what English means.
But American English is no less English than British English is.
They all started at the same place, and let the tides of the world wash over them.
(I'm mixing the old meaning of "tides" = "times" with the newer meaning of ocean tides.)
 
AH I see
 
this music is calm
and I can let it play in background when I Study
Thanks
 
This one is a "reel", so much more lively.
 
wondeful! I enjoyed it Thanks
 
6:24 PM
Here's an original composition by Edgar Meyer with Bela Fleck and Mike Marshall that I think is fabulous.
 
they all use Violin
 
It's very exciting fiddle music, deeply rooted in traditional American fiddework.
@Educ That's because I'm trying to show you what fiddle music is like in American folk tunes.
 
Yes, I see.
 
Where "fiddle" is the low-brow way to talk about "violin", which is higher-brow, if you would.
 
the commun thing between all of the old music is Violin
 
6:27 PM
That's a good observation, possibly even a deep one. Think of gypsy music!
 
they use only voice humain and violin
If I have power I would like to go to that age to experience it
 
Zigeunerweisen, or "Gypsy Airs" was written by a Spaniard in 1878. The Spanish know gypsy music.
Now listen to our last trio's rendition of that famous tune:
The violin solo part there is Edgar.
And the instrument is a bass viol, a double bass!
Not a violin, though God alone knows how he can do that.
And I've watched him do it, live. It's real.
@Educ I think that's because the violin is said to be most like the human voice.
 
wow
yeah
 
@Educ It really is stunning, isn't it!
 
Yes it's
I would like to ask you
I see tool used in Game of thorn is like violin
what its name
 
6:33 PM
Where?
 
I don't remeber the episode
 
Soundtrack?
Oh.
It quite likely was.
 
wait
 
Howard Shore used the Hardanger fiddle in his music for Rohan in the Lord of the Rings films. That once is distinctive as well.
> The Hardanger fiddle is considered the national instrument of Norway; it was chosen by the composer to reflect the Germanic traditions of the Rohirrim.
 
 
6:36 PM
That is a harp!
Ancient.
 
AH
yes
check it here
 
There is a word in music, arpeggio.
 
"With harp, dulcimer, and lute"
 
7:04 PM
It is 00:04 in Yekaterinburg. The year is 2018.
The firecrackers and all other artillery has started.
It won't stop until about 3 am
Thus far, 2018 is a nice year to live in.
The first 8 minutes were okay.
We'll see how the remaining minutes will turn out.
> But Julia mistress, and Antonia maid,
Appear'd like two poor harmless women, who
Of goblins, but still more of men afraid,
Had thought one man might be deterr'd by two,
And therefore side by side were gently laid,
Until the hours of absence should run through,
And truant husband should return, and say,
"My dear, I was the first who came away."
came away is a curious phrase
Since "to come" means to approach, thus it's a bit oxymoronic
 
NVZ
7:20 PM
Happy new year, all!
 
Same to you! Naya Saal Mubarak Ho! S Novym Godom!
 
7:37 PM
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Q: What do you call a person who wants a package to be delivered to him?

Hassan SelimSo in shipment systems the word would be "recipient", but that word is from the point of view of the shipping company, what would it be called from the point of view of the person ordering the package? To give more context, I have a system where a user can either be a courier or "someone who req...

 
What do you call a person who wants catch up sessions
person who think that he will fail in normal session of exam
 
I'd call him a student
 
person who don't believe in himself so he prefers catch up sessions
so still student :)
 
Word of the day: instep
> Anthea bade me tie her shoe;
I did; and kissed the instep too:
And would have kissed unto her knee,
Had not her blush rebuked me.
 
Definition of instep
1 : the arched middle portion of the human foot in front of the ankle joint; especially : its upper surface
2 : the part of a shoe or stocking that fits over the instep
@CowperKettle Could you identify the irrelevance statments
among those
1. Reading is important for developing all language skills.
2. Reading broadens one’s knowledge.
3. Reading enriches one’s vocabulary.
4. Reading develops both active and passive language performances.
5. Children must be introduced to writing early at school.
6. The more you read the better you write.
7. Writing skill does not always involve conscious rules.
8. Grammatical rules are not enough to produce good text.
9. Writing involves rules of discourse. which go beyond the sentence.
10. Writing involves both structure and contents, i.e. form and ideas.
it's irrelevance statement
I think the 11 good handwriting is an art
because in all the staments we talk about how writing is benifit
and 12
too
 
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