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5:00 PM
I'm not entirely sure of it, it's something I just thought to do..
 
I think the way you used it was perfectly fine.
 
@Tonepoet No, I meant the spelling difference.
There's no pronunciation difference between -ise and -ize AFAIK?
 
Let's pretend that never happened. XP
 
To non-native speakers: When did you learn how to pronounce 'disheveled' and 'omniscience' correctly? (Also, disheveled or dishevelled?)
 
But apparently Oxford considers "Promise" an -ize word.
@Cerberus I suppose you're just not used to somebody using the word wane anymore?
 
5:04 PM
For some reason I always (until recently) thought of dis-heveled and omni-science...
 
Perhaps you asked because the word "die" is more idiomatic in modern parlance.
 
@Tonepoet I think you're confusing me with someone else.
 
@Tonepoet No, it's just that I expected an antonym to that, initially.
 
@Keepthesemind I remember being surprised at learning the correct pronunciation of dishevelled.
 
@Cerberus Weird huh?
 
5:07 PM
Cf. prescient.
And pious, impious, impiety.
I presume you are familiar with the poem The Chaos?
 
@Cerberus Sure, it makes sense. But you (well: I) only learn when I actually tried to get it out of my mouth.
"The Chaos" is a poem demonstrating the irregularity of English spelling and pronunciation. Written by Dutch writer, traveller, and teacher Gerard Nolst Trenité (1870–1946), it includes about 800 examples of irregular spelling. The first version of 146 lines of text appeared in an appendix to the author's 1920 textbook Drop Your Foreign Accent: engelsche uitspraakoefeningen, but "the most complete and authoritative version ever likely to emerge", published by The Spelling Society in 1992–93, has 274 lines. To demonstrate the flavour of the poem, the opening lines are: Dearest creature in creation...
 
@Cerberus Aaah, well I don't know with who you socialize outside of E.L.U. and I don't recollect people using the word wane here, so it's just a hypothesis. It's a curiosity that I should be asked such a thing so it makes me wonder.
 
@Tonepoet I never asked you anything.
 
@Tonepoet It was I.
 
It was Keep.
 
5:11 PM
@Tonepoet Indeed, apparently people have used the word surprisingly little in this room.
wane wane wane
 
@Randal'Thor Nice
 
Ah, so I was confusing you with somebody else Cerberus. I offer my apologies.
 
No need.
I'm sure we look much the same.
 
@Keepthesemind So why did you ask?
 
@Cerberus Take those. You never know what they could be good for.
@Tonepoet I expected an antonym to that, initially.
 
5:13 PM
@Keepthesemind My inventory is full. I need to get back to town first, to sell some cuirasses.
 
@Cerberus Sorry.
 
No need to apologize.
 
By the way, is 'sorry' in English even close to the Dutch 'sorry hoor'? Or is it really like 'Surrey whore'?
 
@Keepthesemind Ah, I understand now. I used wane because Britain doesn't usually use the -ize spelling anymore, despite it seeming older. I thought that they must've used it at some point, but evidently don't anymore.
 
@Tonepoet Yup
 
5:17 PM
@Keepthesemind Haha nice.
Which phrase is it that you want to know more about, the English phrase or the Dutch phrase?
 
@Cerberus No, really. Do English speakers use the phrase 'Sorry!'?
 
I think it's a pronunciation question.
 
They do.
 
Maybe that guess was wrong.
 
2 hours ago, by terdon
Sorry, got carried away
 
5:19 PM
@Cerberus Who is terdon?
 
Aug 6 at 14:31, by tchrist
Sorry.
yesterday, by Lawrence
@Tonepoet Sorry, I don't follow this bit - 'more generally' than what?
@Keepthesemind A user.
 
@Cerberus So, they aren't Dutch?
 
No, he is half-Greek.
And half American.
But he used to live in England.
 
@Keepthesemind Just to help you in a more generalized fashion, you can see in Collins dictionary that Sorry is sometimes used as an interjection. Interjections are often used that way.
 
@Cerberus *apologise
:-P
 
5:21 PM
@Randal'Thor Ah, no, I follow the Oxford style with respect to Greek verbs.
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Or I try to, when I think of it.
 
@Keepthesemind hyper-bowl
 
@Mitch What?
 
(Why was that starred?)
 
@Cerberus I felt like starring it.
And I did.
 
@Cerberus Well, I speak European English (as I prefer to call BrE).
@Cerberus I was hoping some of my cool sentences earlier would get starred.
Tough crowd.
 
5:23 PM
@Mitch Oh, I get it. You're saying that's wrong too?
 
@Keepthesemind Sorry! Yes!
 
@Keepthesemind OK well, thanks.
@Randal'Thor Contrary to popular opinion, Oxford is in Europe!
 
@Cerberus I starred it because someone else did.
@Cerberus Wembley, no.
 
@Mitch Not easy. English.
 
5:25 PM
@Tonepoet I'm afraid I cannot approve of it.
 
@Keepthesemind Every language is a pain.
 
It is a bit of a malformation.
 
What would be the beneformation?
 
The Greek part should be -onym.
 
Oh, that reminds me of an answer I wrote...
 
5:26 PM
And it is considered a hybrid if you combine Greek parts with non-Greek parts, which is something that is generally to be avoided.
@Mitch An anonym.
Or perhaps a dysonym.
Or a caconym.
Or a nonce word.
 
Who knows the word 'recombobulation' without looking it up?
 
@Mitch Square ape!
@Mitch That's different.
@Keepthesemind I know the word combobulation.
With re-, is it a repeated combobulation?
 
@Cerberus Did you know what it meant?
 
@Keepthesemind Well, it is a bit of a nonsense word.
It's pseudo-Latin, and it is a joke unto itself.
 
5:30 PM
 
@Keepthesemind Doesn't it just mean something like recombine?
As an antonym of discombobulate.
 
@Tonepoet He is correct.
The -o- is a linking vowel.
Only added if there are two consonants that would otherwise connect.
But your recommendations in that answer are correct.
 
Ah!
 
By the way, I think you would really enjoy and profit from learning some Latin and Greek! You'd like it.
 
@Mitch so you know me or you know me?
 
5:35 PM
@Keepthesemind Very nice.
 
@Cerberus That seems like the most stupid advice ever given. :)
 
Nah, Greek sounds fancy.
 
@Keepthesemind You're the most stupid.
Sorry, mijn naam is Corrie.
 
I mean that society may benefit from some people learning Latin and Greek, but as an individual advice it seems off.
 
You would clearly not profit from, it no.
 
5:39 PM
@Cerberus Prefix, not suffix.
Or affix for the generalized term for both.
 
@Cerberus flagged
 
@Tonepoet Hmm what, where?
 
That's not funny because I am an ape.
 
@Mitch What colour?
 
fuchsia
 
5:41 PM
The comment you made to Cris in that question I linked.
 
ooh ooh I have a joke.
 
When it goes before it's a prefix and after is a suffix, so you want to say "lexi-" is not a prefix.
 
What happens when a red ship and a blue ship crash into each other?
THe passengers are maroon-ed together
 
@Tonepoet Oh, oops!
You are of course correct. I have corrected it.
@Mitch Hah!
 
@Mitch Define 'joke'.
 
5:43 PM
I don't think Chris is coming back though. He only asked two questions and that one is old.
 
A joke is a display of humour in which words are used within a specific and well-defined narrative structure to make people laugh. It takes the form of a story, usually with dialogue, and ends in a punch line. It is in the punch line that the audience becomes aware that the story contains a second, conflicting meaning. This can be done using a pun or other word play such as irony, a logical incompatibility, nonsense or other means. Linguist Robert Hetzron offers the definition: A joke is a short humorous piece of oral literature in which the funniness culminates in the final sentence, called the...
 
@Tonepoet Chris?
 
@DEAD DEAD?
 
@DEAD The question I linked has the context.
 
@Mitch ...
You're the best.
 
5:44 PM
@Cerberus ooh that stings
 
@Mitch Well, I asked for this
 
That was hilarious; too bad it's not visible on the 'board.
 
@Mitch giggle snort
 
You know what would be terrible? If the starboard were moved to the left of the chat-room.
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@Tonepoet Last seen Jun 24.
 
5:45 PM
@KitZ.Fox it's a Fozzy Bear joke of the day
 
@Cerberus Then I'd get some kinda disorientation syndrome
 
omg, star board. rofl.
 
@DEAD Exactly.
 
I can't read color-names in the wrong colors. It freaks me out.
 
Red.
Blue.
 
5:46 PM
Green is fast.
 
@tchrist stroop effect
 
Don't click!!
 
@Cerberus So red is a website in black?
 
@tchrist So we should find a mod called Black and a non-mod called Blue.
 
5:50 PM
@Randal'Thor And an RO called "Bold".
 
@DEAD Or a fox cub.
 
@DEAD bold! italic!
 
@Mitch normal
 
Poor Tchrist.
He must be DEAD by now.
 
If tchrist has a breakdown due to too much chromatic cognitive dissonance, will he have to withdraw from the election?
 
6:01 PM
I can take his place I assure you
 
@Randal'Thor Hmm?
 
Hmm, I see.
 
@Cerberus What's happened?
Feels too lazy to read the whole thread
 
20 mins ago, by tchrist
I can't read color-names in the wrong colors. It freaks me out.
 
6:07 PM
Yeah. You may forget which word's for which color.
 
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Q: Two words or names describing something which cannot exists without each part

StingeryI am looking for two words/names/terms that refer to something that as a whole cannot exist without each of the two. I am not looking for a term for the "whole" as this "whole" may not have a known name itself, as it is commonly defined by its parts. Each part is as important as the other. The tw...

It's a massacre
Everything is down voted^^
 
Would someone perhaps read this question and maybe answer/edit it? :
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Q: Words describing types of conversation

Jack MaddingtonI have three related questions, all concerning words descriptive of conversational habits. (1) How would you choose a word to describe someone who likes to talk about things around them and things happening in their whereabouts? [The opposite of absent minded] Actually, absent minded though wo...

I've posted an answer, but the OP is really not happy about it, and blames my possible mistakes on the whole site.
 
@Helmar yeah, because OP wants something like "complementary" or "dependency" and the answer are all like "peanut butter and jelly!" and "moon and stars!"
 
@KitZ.Fox He wants complementary and dependency which sound like yin and yang
@Færd That's because his questions are not very specific and almost none of them actually meets the prerequisites of this site. You can't please everyone.
 
I haven't checked his other question, but at least I believe someone can give him a better answer, whatever the state of the question is.
I don't justify his attitude though.
 
6:19 PM
Oh please Oxford... 1897 is not quite the 20th century. You guys got it right the first time, so why did you change?
 
@Færd It's a single word request that wants three words. It's highly unlikely one user finds three fitting words.
 
Especially if you're not clear about what you want.
 
@Tonepoet They are ahead of their time, thus 1897 is already 20th century ;)
 
@Helmar Actually, they've always been behind the curve. The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia was finished first and had just as many volumes as the complete A New English Dictionary on Historical Principles or rather, The O.E.D.. Oxford even had a considerable lead, since work on the O.E.D. began in 1857; work on the C.D.C. started in 1882, although the C.D.C. was adapted from The Imperial Dictionary
Dwight Whitney died though and work didn't continue on the full fledged edition of the C.D.C. Later editions, known as The New Century Dictionary are shorter than the final 1914 edition of the original.
Well, I mean it did continue shortly after Dwight Whitney's death, since the first edition of the gargantual book was complete in 1890~ and Whitney died in 1891 or so if I recall correctly, but I think the point is quite valid. The final V-Z volume of the O.E.D. 1st ed. was only published in 1927.
Now the 2nd Edition of the O.E.D. is quite another story. That has no rival, at least in terms of how voluminous and inclusive it is, as it's doubled in size from the first.
 
6:41 PM
Do you count an adaptation of another dictionary as a main work?
> The largest monolingual dictionary in the world, it contains over 450,000 entries for Dutch words from 1500 to 1921. The paper edition consists of 43 volumes (including three supplements), almost 50,000 pages. The dictionary was almost 150 years in the making; the first volume was published in 1864, and the final volume was presented to Albert II of Belgium and Beatrix of the Netherlands in 1998.
 
@Cerberus How do you pronounce Latin in Latin?
 
@Cerberus I don't know. However if if we didn't, the only dictionaries which would be valid are probably Samuel Johnson's and Noah Webster's.
 
@Færd You don't, because it's an English word!
 
Woo! Primary!
 
And I didn't even have to nominate for you ;)
 
6:44 PM
@Tonepoet Well, the OED is and was mainly original work.
 
@Cerberus So what's the name in Latin?
 
Lingua Latina.
You could abbreviate it as Latina.
 
Ah. Is it pronounced like the Spanish would pronounce Latino, but with an a?
I'm searching dictionaries. Don't wanna bother.
 
Yes, more or less.
So were you going to use this word?
 
I'm reading this book, Latin alive, but it's more about English I think.
 
6:48 PM
Oh?
 
@Cerberus Mainly but parts of it are derived from the C.D.C.. The O.E.D. cites the C.D.C. over 2,000 times according to the Wikipedia. Also it needs to be kept in mind that The Imperial Dictionary of the English Language is only 3 volumes by itself, so the C.D.C. is also probably mostly original.
 
Yeah. I may be able to talk about it when I read a bit more of it. Right now I'm just catching on.
 
@Færd First of all latin alive is a lie. If you cannot order a pizza in a language, it's not a living language ;)
 
I was just curious about the name, is all.
@Helmar The claim is that it lives vicariously through its daughters.
 
@Færd Well that it does, and it will haunt school children for eternity ;)
 
6:51 PM
In fact the C.D.C. serves as the basis of many of the popular modern dictionaries, and its heritage can be traced back to Noah Webster's dictionary since The Imperial Dictionary of the English Language was an attempt to render it more complete by including more British senses of the words dropped from Webster's and more scientific terms.
Worcester's Dictionary allegedly plagiarized from Webster's too.
Now Noah Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language is the byproduct of 28 years of personal study!
 
How do you prove plagiarizing in a dictionary? Did they use the same example sentences?
 
I don't think it was quite proven, which is why I said "allegedly" but Worcester assisted Webster in his work and it's claimed that he reused some of the same sources or some-such.
I may be spelling his name wrong.
Joseph Emerson Worcester (August 24, 1784 – October 27, 1865) was an American lexicographer who was the chief competitor to Noah Webster of Webster's Dictionary in the mid-nineteenth-century. Their rivalry became known as the "dictionary wars". Worcester's dictionaries focused on traditional pronunciation and spelling, unlike Noah Webster's attempts to Americanize words. Worcester was respected by American writers and his dictionary maintained a strong hold on the American marketplace until a later, posthumous version of Webster's book appeared in 1864. After Worcester's death in 1865, their war...
 
Damn, dictionary wars, sounds brutal.
 
Come to think of it, it's may be in part his fault that English orthography is so inconsistent. Webster's spelling reform might've been more successful if he hadn't intervened.
 
Fictitious or fake entries are deliberately incorrect entries in reference works such as dictionaries, encyclopedias, maps, and directories. There are more specific terms for particular kinds of fictitious entry, such as Mountweazel, trap street, paper street, paper town, phantom settlement, phantom island, ghost word and nihilartikel. Fictitious entries are included either as a humorous hoax or as a copyright trap to reveal subsequent plagiarism or copyright infringement. An outright forgery intended to mislead the reader on a matter of substance would not generally be classed as a fictitious...
 
7:05 PM
Oh yeah, I know about those and I think it's a shame on lexicography to do such a thing...
Oxford did it in an edition of N.O.A.D. but I forget the entry off-hand.
 
Yeah, if you do it in a large scale.
 
I read about a town where the plagiarist put up an actual town sign after the fact without there being any town.
 
@Færd It somewhat undermines the integrity of a whole work to do it even once really because now you have to doubt the validity of a word, even if it's in a dictionary.
 
> The fictional town of Agloe, New York, was invented by map makers, but eventually became identified as a real place by its county administration because a building, the Agloe General Store, was erected at its fictional location.
@Tonepoet I understand your point. You can never be sure that a false entry will do no harm, can you?
 
@Færd That was what I meant :)
 
7:09 PM
@Færd Exactly. A lie's always a lie, even if it's told only once by the liar.
At least dord was an honest mistake on Merriam-Webster's part.
 
Was it an entry?
 
The problem with words compared to towns is that you can't just go there and look if something is there.
It's almost impossible to disprove the existence of a word.
 
@Færd Yeah, the fake word's origin was as a dictionary entry in some printings of the New International Dictionary, first ed. if I recall correctly.
There was a systematical mix-up. The entry was supposed to be D. or d.
 
@Helmar Not if you give a suitable, falsifiable definition for the existence of a word.
@Tonepoet Maybe they lied about it being being a mix-up!
 
@Færd Sure but the process of dictionary inclusion is a trade secret.
 
7:14 PM
Unless they admitted it right away after publishing the dictionary.
 
@Færd Such a standard would have to be mostly subjective because words primarily exist in the mind of their interpreters.
There's a pretty good general consensus though.
 
True. There should be an algorithmic test that a potential word can be put to, so that we find out if it's a word or not.
 
@Færd That defeats the point of a fictitious entry doesn't it? How do you ensure all of the buyers know without giving it away to the plagiarists too?
 
I meant that if they revealed its being a false entry only after quite a while, then maybe it was a lie. But if they admitted it right away, it obviously wasn't.
 
Admitting to a lie doesn't make it not a lie, although it does redeem it somewhat.
 
7:21 PM
You said it was a mistake.
 
D. or d. was a mistake.
 
What does it stand for anyway?
 
Density.
 
Ah.
 
Esquivalience from the 2005 New Oxford American Dictionary is what I'm complaining about though.
 
7:23 PM
It doesn't even look like an English word.
 
It does to me, provided that equivalence is a valid word.
 
What other words begin with esqui-?
 
Esquire.
In fact, it kinda looks like a juxtaposition of esquire and valiance come to think of it.
 
Okay. Dreamland's are calling out to me.
See ya.
 
G'night @Færd
 
7:29 PM
@KitZ.Fox Only minutes left for someone to drop out!!
please please please please please
 
@Mitch Were you hoping someone would drop out?
 
@MετάEd Whuh? Are you asking me? Was I thinking out loud again?
No, no particular person.
 
The only thing that looks worthwhile about it is the ability to merge threads and none of you are going to use that often.
 
just I don't see the benefit of an entire week for the primaries.
 
I would probably merge all of the can not/cannot questions together.
 
7:40 PM
@Tonepoet merge threads? of what?
 
Merging is a thing on S.E.
 
?? and not on ELU? who are you replying to?
 
You can combine two dupes. into one question to keep all of the answers.
I'm just saying out of all the things moderators can do, that high enough rep. users can't, that's the only one that looks interesting to me.
 
the mod queue is what they get. a lot of policing of people getting out of hand and sockpuppets and such. but yes, handling migrations and merging.
 
@Mitch The mod queue is probably what they deserve.
:D
 
7:45 PM
@MετάEd the voting population get the candidate they deserve
shudders
@MετάEd "You sir for your considerable achievements and exemplary character, get this ... mop"
 
@Mitch Need to figure out how to fix that.
 
"No, the handle of the mop is not some rare teak made from the last surviving forest on earth. It's just a mop"
 
user227867
8:34 PM
Hello @mitch thanks for your replies lol
 
You went to Ankgor what?
@JasperLoy You were very Buddhist earlier
 
user227867
I was looking at the youtube video manager analytics and discovered that sometimes the number of views can decrease which makes it all the more mysterious how they are counted.
 
@KitZ.Fox Oh...it's only four days? That I can survive.
@JasperLoy That is weird, like people unwatch it or something.
 
Oh man I wish I could unwatch some videos.
 
user227867
I don't understand why people like beer or wine. They just taste terrible. I tried to like it but just can't.
 
8:43 PM
haha. remembers some videos 'd rather not remember
stops hahaing
@JasperLoy I know! blech!
but people really get into how different they taste.
 
user227867
It seems that chat now shows your parent site rep instead of total rep...
 
mine shows my total rep.
 
user227867
Oh, I kept refreshing and they just show the parent site rep, maybe a bug.
 
9:00 PM
@Mitch yeah, the duration of the election doesn't change.
Hi @Jasper.
@Mitch I just watched that last week!
 
@KitZ.Fox Watched what? Is my unconscious dredging up quotes from movies?
 
Wow. 1 hour and so many voted already!
@Mitch yes! Scrubs, actually.
Or maybe I'm misremembering.
 
@JasperLoy It's an acquired taste. You have to ease into it. Or force yourself. Or don't bother.
 
@KitZ.Fox I wondered how that got so high so quickly.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 or mixed drink cocktails with fruity stuff to cover up the nasty alcohol taste.
 
@Mitch Maybe, but IME that leads you to acquire the taste of the underlying spirits, i.e. vodka or whatever you're mixing
 
9:10 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 do you mean start to like the accompanying alcohol?
 
2016 Moderator Primary. Voting has started.
Hey @MattE.Эллен can you update the pins in the election chatroom? I have to go make dinner.
 
thanks
don't forget to vote
 
I won't :D
Well, I mean, I already have!
 
9:24 PM
@MattE.Эллен and @KitZ.Fox Why are you not one of candidates in new election?
 
@Shafizadeh we're already moderators. moderators are added to, not changed
 
ah, but @tchrist isn't a moderator like you?
 
he's a moderator of a different SE site
 
ah
@MattE.Эллен One question, Being a SE's moderator is your job? Or you get money of SE?
 
All moderators are unpaid volunteers.
 
9:28 PM
It is a voluntary position. Not my job.
 
well why you want to be a moderator? What's its benefit?
 
You can merge questions and get early access to privileges reserved for higher rep. users.
That's my understanding of it.
It also gives your opinions on policy a little more clout I guess.
Jeff Atwood on May 18, 2009
We believe deeply in community moderation. That's why we appoint Pro Tempore Moderators and, ideally, democratically elected community moderators for every site in our network. But what do community moderators do? The short answer is, as little as possible!
 
@Shafizadeh I want to keep the signal (good questions and answers) to noise (bad questions and answers) ratio as high as possible. I really like the site and I want to keep it good
 
@Tonepoet that's not fair enough .. moderator can spend their time on a real job and make money by that .. SE's reputation aren't valuable at all
@MattE.Эллен ah ok :-)
 
9:49 PM
I think moderators should be multiplied not just added to.
 
You want more of me?
 
hahaha .. not really .. you are enough for us .. ( and even you are kinda too much :-) )
 
Man, I have humpty-zilllion notifications waiting in my inbox. Did those Reverse-911 calls go out again or what?
 
user227867
@KitZ.Fox Hi! Are you working at home now?
 
user227867
@Shafizadeh Nice beard you have.
 
10:01 PM
@JasperLoy Are you serious or making me fun?
 
@Shafizadeh Jasper's a nice fellow so I think it's a legitimate complement.
 
well thanks @JasperLoy
 
user227867
@Shafizadeh It should be 'making fun of me' and not 'making me fun'. =)
 
well I don't know English very well, sorry ;-)
 
user227867
From what little I know about your English, I think you should read more English novels to improve your English.
 
user227867
10:08 PM
You haven't really absorbed enough of the language to study grammar books seriously yet.
 
agreed
 
user227867
The absorption or assimilation stage is very important.
 
@MattE.Эллен that would be dividing you
 
@Mitch that's just inverse multiplication
 
It's an integral domain
Field me another
Holonomic somethety something
 
user227867
10:20 PM
No math jokes in this chat.
 
It's math jokes all the time!
What fruit can you open from either end?
An abelian grape!!!
Wacka wacka!!!
 
user227867
Geezis.
 
What fruit is equivalent to the aciom of choice?
Zorn's lemon!!!!
Another few exclamation points!!!!!!!
 
user227867
Geezis.
 
How many Germans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
One
Hilarious!!
I'll be here all night!!
 
10:25 PM
The Wiener Schnitzel is great.
 
Threat or promise? Your choice!!
@MετάEd I'll have the beef Wellington instead.
Wait...no... Changed my mind, chicken-fried steak please.
 
@JasperLoy no, eating dinner.
 
user227867
@KitZ.Fox Before you told me that phone earphones could be used to listen to sound on the computer, I didn't know. Now I get to listen to much better sound than before, hehe.
 
11:19 PM
@Mitch Wait, they make steaks out of chicken-fried chicken fries now?
 

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