English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

12:03 AM

@salman It is rather the mumbling that makes some words hard to understand, combined with the quality. Try to articulate each sound in a word more clearly. In other words, you're not mumbling at all!

As to the recording quality, I'd try to use a different microphone, or speak closer to the microphone, experiment a bit.

Do you have a smartphone? They usually have fairly good microphones.

Færd

1:06 AM

@salman The IPA symbol for ض is /ḍ/ or /ṣ́/. Apparently, this is how you pronounce it; while I pronounce it more like this. (Actually, mine is somewhere in between those two.)

Squidiemeister

Hello
I am looking for an English podcast or vodcast that might do analysis of political speeches and their use of rhetoric and various literary devices.

I have been searching but I can't really find any, could anyone recommend a good podcast or vodcast?

Thank you.

Færd

1:29 AM

@salman I don't know what specific suggestions I should offer you, but I think you have a long way to go before your English articulation is readily understandable. The noise in your second recording doesn't distract me much. A tip: try learning how to pronounce individual words before you put them together into a sentence. But that's not something you (generic you) should be able to do overnight.

For example your something (00:12) sounds like someting, preposition (00:19) like prowposition, etc. I don't want to overwhelm you; more practice will hopefully fix these problems bit by bit.

Cerberus

2:03 AM

@Færd I think the word intended was proposition, not preposition.

Færd

@salman I thought that was preposition, but turns out it wasn't! Neglect that part of my response.

@Cerberus Thanks.

Lawrence

5:22 AM

@Shafizadeh Try this instead: They share the same author.

Gigili

6:32 AM

What kind of tasks are defined for someone working as a hammersmith?

Googling gives me gibberish results, a place in Britain etc.

skill patrol

Perhaps making hammers.

Gigili

Mr.Smith making hammers is more probable

skill patrol

Valentin Tihomirov

1 6

Gigili

sad panda smiley

who exactly is he?

skill patrol

dunno

Gigili

6:48 AM

makes sense

Gigili

7:06 AM

I am your God and you must comply

terdon

7:48 AM

@Gigili Do you know what a smith is?

Sᴋᴜʟʟ ᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ

7:59 AM

Goldsmith, locksmith, etc.

A "hammer"smith sounds like some sort of ironsmith.

Gigili

8:40 AM

@terdon a worker in metal

A worker in metal who uses hammer?

Hammersmith?

terdon

@Gigili No, a maker of hammers.

Gigili

@terdon Ah! Thanks

terdon

A smith who works on hammers. Like a goldsmith is a smith who works on gold.

Gigili

What does a wood treater do?

Cutting?

terdon

8:54 AM

@Gigili No, treating. That's more things like varnishing and the like.

wordnik.com/words/treat

> transitive v. To subject to a process, action, or change, especially to a chemical or physical process or application.

Gigili

9:28 AM

What a dictionary

@terdon Thank you for your help

terdon

9:40 AM

You're welcome. And yes, wordnik is a useful tool.

Færd

I search on Google images for "folded hands", and it gives me pictures like this and this, which I have no problem with. But it also gives a lot of pictures like this one below, which I don't understand. Do people really call this position of the hands folded?

crl

10:40 AM

there are 1 billion of caucasians
there is 1 billion of caucasians

which one?

(there are probably more, just an example)

Anonymous

@crl There are a billion Caucasians.

Færd

@crl Are you asking whether you should use there is or there are with a plural noun, or do you doubt the use of are here because one billion seems singular?

Anonymous

The contracted form There's is widespread as an invariant form, but the uncontracted There is is much more likely to be viewed as non-standard with a plural postverbal NP.

user206384

@Færd Thanks for the feedback bro!

Færd

@salman You're welcome.

user206384

10:53 AM

@Cerberus Yes I do have a phone. I used my laptop's built-in microphone here. Also I live in a noisy neighbourhood so can't help it.

Færd

@snailboat I think what makes @crl doubt is that one billion of things seems different than one billion things. Might the first one be viewed as singular?

Anonymous

Oh, I see. The of was there on purpose and not just as a mistake?

user206384

Hi folks

Færd

I guess.

@salman Hi.

Anonymous

@Færd Hmm, I don't think so.

Anonymous

10:59 AM

It'd be easier to come up with judgments if we could come up with an example that sounds more natural to begin with.

Anonymous

That might require inventing an appropriate context for the example.

Færd

@snailboat Me too, but maybe in BrE it could be viewed as a collective noun. I'm going to search BNC for a million of and the like.

Anonymous

I doubt there's a relevant AmE / BrE distinction here, to be honest.

Anonymous

You need to come up with an example where you can conceptualize the billion as a single unit.

Anonymous

Like, maybe if you were separated things into units of one billion, and you put different billions in different places, you could say one billion is over here, and two billions are over there.

Færd

11:02 AM

Mhm. Like this one:

> The hospital cost 2.5 million -- a million of which was donated by an American-based drug company.

Which is about money.

Anonymous

Well, that's the same way you can say twenty miles is a long way to walk.

Færd

> Over quarter of a million of these are HP and other credit cases.

> Some half a million of our sons lie in Flanders fields

Okay. I'm convinced.

I don't think a number of could be regarded as singular in BrE either.

Without a special context that may present it as a single unit.

crl

@snailboat @Færd ok, thanks

In french it's always "il y a", so it's simple

"There are a billion lines of code in this software" < so that's the right way?

Færd

Normally, yes.

crl

it feels weird, (are + a) ok :) thanks

Færd

11:13 AM

@crl Does this look weird too: A number of my friends are black ?

crl

ah, no, ok

Færd

Then think of a billion of as a number of. :)

Lawrence

@Færd Having a million of these or of those sounds fluent, but not a million (or billion) "of" Caucasians. However, a number of Caucasians is fine.

Færd

Well, I didn't know about that.

crl

a million people, a million of things, that's what you mean?

Færd

11:26 AM

@Lawrence Why? Sounds diminutive?

Lawrence

@Færd Sorry, I don't follow. What sounds diminutive?

crl

against the superior status of Humanity

Færd

My bad choice of words. I mean why does it not apply to people?

Lawrence

@Færd It doesn't apply to any vaguely specific thing, it would appear.

Færd

Okay. Thanks for the input.

Lawrence

11:29 AM

@crl That might possibly be diminishing, but I don't think diminutive works as an antonym for treating as superior.

@Færd :)

crl

@Lawrence ah ok :)

Lawrence

@Færd I missed the edit window; read as "... to any (even vaguely) specific thing ...".

Færd

Okay :)

Steve DL

12:38 PM

Hi everyone. I have a question not very prone to search engines. What's the convention in British English for writing down how to spell a word? I'm transcribing a conversation where someone spells e.g Vienna. Do I use dots between each letter? Dashes? How do I end?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

1:32 PM

Hi. I don't have an authoritative answer. I've seen it done many ways. But I do have a video of a Japanese man playing a celery nose flute.

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Celery Nose flute: Lightly Row

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Færd

@SteveDL I searched BNC for "how do you spell" and got 106 results. Here's some of them:

> How do you spell snip? (SP:PS147) Snip (SP:KB3PSUNK) S N I P

> How do you spell it? (SP:PS147) There's snap S N A P

> how do you spell Ashley? (SP:PS147) (spelling) A S H L E Y.

> Andy, what's my last name?'' Willis.'' And how do you spell it?'' W -- I -- L -- L -- I -- S.

"Could you spell" gives 4 hits:

> could you spell playground? (SP:PS1SX) Yeah P L A Y G R O U N D.

crl

when you need to make sure: you can spell 'snip' with S like Suzy, N like Nicolas, I like Isabel(is it current in English?), P like Patrick

Færd

@SteveDL I don't know if there's any convention though. You could ask on the main site and include the British English tag.

Steve DL

@Færd thanks, I'll go with the common practice in the BNC. I just didn't know how to formulate the question to a search engine!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@SteveDL In addition to @Færd's results, which I've seen as well, I've seen once or twice someone spelled out the letter names: aitch e ell ell oh.

Steve DL

1:43 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 thanks, though not being English myself I would probably end up mistyping the sounds :-)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@SteveDL oh, me too, I'm not even sure of the ones I've just typed. we learn to spell the names of the numbers but not so much the names of the letters. I'd look them up.

Færd

@SteveDL I'm not sure if that's a common practice. They may all be from a transcription of one English class written by a single person. Let me check...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

English alphabet

The modern English alphabet is a Latin alphabet consisting of 26 letters (each having an uppercase and a lowercase form) – the same letters that are found in the ISO basic Latin alphabet: The exact shape of printed letters varies depending on the typeface. The shape of handwritten letters can differ significantly from the standard printed form (and between individuals), especially when written in cursive style. See the individual letter articles for information about letter shapes and origins (follow the links on any of the uppercase letters above). Written English uses 18 digraphs, such as ch...

(link goes to letter names)

Færd

@SteveDL I suspect that's the case here, and my results don't necessarily represent a common practice.

Anonymous

Yeah, I think you can probably find more than one convention out there.

Anonymous

1:52 PM

Snail. S-n-a-i-l. Snail.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I'd probably use caps.

Anonymous

Yeah, I was thinking about that.

Anonymous

I've found examples in all caps and examples that aren't in all caps.

Anonymous

Snail. S-N-A-I-L. Snail.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

sure. I just think the upper-case letters are easier to distinguish on their own.

so lower-case might not be wrong, but upper-case would be better IMHO

Anonymous

2:02 PM

The CMOS gives this example: "My name is Phyllis; that's p-h-y-l-l-i-s."

Færd

@SteveDL And I searched on Ngram Viewer in the British subcategory for "how do you spell", "How do you spell", etc. Found about 10 relevant results so far, ALL of which had hyphens between the spelled letters. Some were in all caps, some not. You can explore for yourself too, and try other things like "spell the word" etc. It's case sensitive. :-)

I did it on Ngram Viewer because I didn't know how to search the British subcategory from the main Google Books site.

Anonymous

Putting hyphens between the letters is the first convention that comes to mind for me.

Naseem

Examples
My name is Alexey Tumanov.
How do you spell your last name, please?
That's T as in Thomas, U as in Utah, M as in Mary, A as in Alice, N as in Nellie, O as in Oscar, V as in Victor. That's Tumanov.
How do you spell your first name, please?
That's A as in Alice, L as in Lewis, E as in Edward, X as in X-ray, E as in Edward, Y as in Young. That's Alexey.

My name is Anastasia Roschina.
How do you spell your name, please?
That's R as in Robert, O as in Oliver, S as in Samuel, C as in Charles, H as in Henry, I as in Ida, N as in Nellie, A as in Alice. That's Roschina.

Anonymous

> A proficient signer can fingerspell ᴄ-ᴏ-ʟ-ᴏ-ʀ-ᴀ-ᴅ-ᴏ in less than two seconds.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I agree with hyphens or dashes.

Færd

2:07 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 :))

Lawrence

As for delimiting the word, it's easiest with dashes between each pair of consecutive letters. Otherwise, just use any appropriate punctuation: a colon to start, or a pair of commas to delimit, or a full stop at the end, or, of course, quote marks. You could also use anything other than a single letter at each end of the word if you don't want to use punctuation.

Anonymous

That's another example from the CMOS, this one using small caps because it's in reference to American Sign Language.

Anonymous

And their convention is to use small caps for ASL.

Damkerng T.

This code may be useful: Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliett, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu.

MετάEd

Whiskey may be especially useful.

Damkerng T.

2:17 PM

nods -- I also like it that Romeo and Juliett are together.

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. This one may not: Aisle, Bdellium, Cue, etc.

4

Damkerng T.

No, it's knot!

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. Are we back to the disagreement thread again? :)

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence Disagree to agree to disagree. :P

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. That's plain disagreement :) . In both senses.

Damkerng T.

2:21 PM

No, that's two disagreements. :P

user206384

How is my pronunciation of words in this recording? Here: vocaroo.com/i/s0JFTZ4Fsfpp

Gigili

Could a mod ignore users?

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. It takes only one to disagree and two might disagree disagreeably, but three can get really confusing.

@Gigili Yes, of course. Whether they would or should is another matter.

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence My perceptrons agree!

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. Glad to hear it! :)

Damkerng T.

2:29 PM

@Gigili This is strange. Your name sounds like the name of a user I know. Your avatar looks like theirs, too, but you seem to be a different user. (And if I recall correctly, that user is a mod.)

@Lawrence My perceptrons are glad, too!

Gigili

@Lawrence Weird. They're supposed to hear users' voice, how do they do that with having some users in their ignore list?

"with" is not needed there

damn edits

@DamkerngT. What can I do about it?

Lawrence

@Gigili Sorry, I'm not a mod. I was just pointing out the differences among ability, reality and obligation. Nevertheless, I suspect flags go through different communication channels, regardless of ignore lists.

Damkerng T.

@Gigili I don't know. So, do I know or do I not know you?

Gigili

@Lawrence I know you are not a mod, since you are not blue. I was just trying to discuss an ambiguous condition with you.

Damkerng T.

In any case, my memory is not that reliable. In other words, I could be wrong about anything I've said. :-)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:35 PM

@Gigili do you have evidence that a mod is ignoring a user? But even if they weren't using the "ignore" feature, they could still ignore whoever they want to ignore.

Gigili

Not referring to flags, I meant generally.

user206384

I think mods are users too so they are free to choose who they ignore. They don't have any obligation to talk with anyone. At least that's what I have gathered by spending some time on the internet.

Gigili

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 either way they're not eligible for being a mod.

Lawrence

@Gigili What's the underlying issue?

Gigili

@DamkerngT. Well, I don't know whether you know me or not.

Damkerng T.

2:38 PM

I remember a user whose name and whose avatar look pretty much like yours posted some nice answers on ELL.

But like I said, my memory is not that good.

Gigili

@Lawrence There is no specific issue.

Damkerng T.

We also talked to each other a couple times in this chat room, IIRC.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Gigili well, perhaps. But surely there are other mods that user could turn to?

Gigili

@DamkerngT. Hmm, I am a regular in this chat room. But never answered a question over there on ELL.

Damkerng T.

@Gigili I see. I must've misremembered!

Gigili

2:43 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Probably. But getting the problem solved via a different route does not make the aforementioned mode eligible for the position.

@DamkerngT. Yeah, well, OK, thanks for your purchase.

Damkerng T.

Yay! My purchase was successful! (I hope I'll have no problem with the bill next month!)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Gigili I dunno. mods are people, maybe they have reasons for not wanting to deal with every single user.

For example: the mods seem to be under no obligation to actually come to the chat.

only Matt and Kit come here regularly.

The rest of the mods, presumably, are handling flags and stuff on the main site.

answering meta questions. etc.

If a random user's meta questions are being answered, and their flags handled, I'm not sure they can expect or demand that a mod pay special attention to them.

Lawrence

@Gigili In that case, what is the motivation behind your question about mods and their ignore filters?

Steve DL

Thanks everyone! @Færd I have no idea how to search through these either, hence the asking. @Naseem, @DamkerngT. unfortunately I'm transcribing audio, so I can't just change what was spoken to use "A as in Alpha" and so on

Anonymous

I'm a moderator on Japanese.SE, which makes me blue in chat even over here in ELU chat, but I'm free to pretend this room doesn't exist if I want. I have no obligation to listen to users here as a moderator. I'm here because I like chatting about English, just like any non-blue user :-)

Damkerng T.

2:56 PM

@SteveDL Understood. The NATO code was posted as additional information to Naseem's. (BTW, it'd go like Tango-Uniform-Mike-Alfa-November-Oscar-Victor, I think, if we used the code.)

Anonymous

I can put people on ignore, too. I don't use the ignore function, but I could if I wanted to.

user206384

Between Onelook and Wordnik which is better for non native speakers (like me)?

user206384

Dictionaries.

Gigili

@Lawrence being filled with curiosity

Damkerng T.

@salman I guess it depends on what you need from dictionaries.

Anonymous

2:58 PM

OneLook is a great resource. It links to lots of dictionaries, all of which you should evaluate independently.

user206384

ok thanks @DamkerngT. @snailboat.

Lawrence

@Gigili In the Stack Exchange model, the primary function of mods is to act as human exception-handlers. On a site like ELU with many high-rep users, many 'moderation' functions are handled by users of various rep grades.

Anonymous

I suggest using multiple dictionaries on a regular basis. Macmillan is a good start :-)

Gigili

@snailboat They can ignore users, but they shouldn't because that way they might miss something.

Anonymous

You might also like the LDOCE.

Anonymous

3:00 PM

Or the CALD or OALD.

Damkerng T.

I find OneLook is most useful in this kind of search: http://www.onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=person+who+loves+you -- (This search is for finding single words or short phrases that may be used for or related to "person who loves you".)

Lawrence

@Gigili It's unlikely to happen - if a user is so abusive that a mod would take the trouble to place them on their ignore filter, it's more likely that they would put the user through a suspension protocol instead.

Steve DL

Thanks everyone and good day!

Boris_yo

4:28 PM

"Sized right for travel" is this correct to say so?

If I am talking about bag.

"Sized right for travel, this bag is compact and versatile."

Or "Sized right for traveling"?

Matt E. Эллен

4:50 PM

I would go with "The right size for travel" or travelling. "Sized right" sounds weird

Boris_yo

Hmmm

When I write something in my personal diary. Can I say "I will buy cover for my diary so it will protect my expressions"?

Does "expressions" make sense or "writings" makes more sense?

Lawrence

5:32 PM

@Boris_yo Drop "right": Sized for travel(ling), ....

@Boris_yo Writings makes your sentence more readily understood by the non-lawyer, but if you're looking for patent or copyright protection, expressions might be the correct technical term.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Boris_yo it sounds fine to me.

Boris_yo

@Lawrence No it's just journaling stuff. How was yesterday, what I did yesterday and how can I improve today etc.

I am expressing my thoughts through writing.

So I would protect those expressions...

Or writings.

Expressions is more broad I agree but it sounds more poetically...

Poetically correct :D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

5:48 PM

@Boris_yo You should say "a cover" and while "expressions" has a definition of "things that were expressed" it's not idiomatic to refer to the contents of a diary that way.

"protect my expressions" sounds like you're writing copyright law or arguing a legal case about freedom of speech

Boris_yo

6:13 PM

Oh. Right. Well how about "Ensure integrity of my expressions"? Or " Keep my expressions safe"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

well, it's the word "expressions" that is problematic

PhMgBr

6:49 PM

expressions

Yay

I just caused problems after dropping into chat after some time.

MετάEd

8:22 PM

I'm feeling subjunctive.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

8:43 PM

Wow, Thursagen is free.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

has been for a while I thought

Mitch

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 The dys go by so log but the years go by so fast.

@MετάEd But you're sounding progressive

MετάEd

8:59 PM

@Mitch That's nice of you to say.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 last seen January 2 or something.

@Mitch aye.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 yeah but his suspension expired and he didn't come back right away

unless he was suspended again, I think his suspension ended in 2014

Anonymous

9:14 PM

@Færd That could make a good ELL question :-)

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh, okay.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

how have you been lately?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Pretty much mostly good, thank you. How about you?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

not bad, not bad. Learning to play the pokemon tcg with my son. It's surprisingly complicated.

whoops. gotta run... ttyl

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Sweet!

Bai!

MετάEd

9:19 PM

Boo.

Mitch

@MετάEd I do sound emphatic.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Isn't that basically like MtG? And not even simpler?

user206384

9:39 PM

Hello

user206384

I made a new one: vocaroo.com/i/s0GQLHHyKPdh

stack

Which one:

Also there is a few pages which don't need database.

Or

Also there is a few pages which don't need to database.

Anonymous

10:01 PM

Neither. Also, there are a few pages which don't need the database. I can't be quite sure of how to phrase the end of the sentence since I'm not sure exactly what I'm trying to express.

Anonymous

But you definitely want are there.

tchrist

10:55 PM

0

Q: Is There a Word for "Burning Fungus"?

I'm reading the etymology of the Latin word fomes, it's a fungus. Are there any words to accompany this one by meaning the "burning of a fungus"?

single-word-requests latin

@Cerberus The tinder used in fomes/fomitis was fungal?

Fomes fomentarius

Fomes fomentarius (commonly known as the tinder fungus, false tinder fungus, hoof fungus, tinder conk, tinder polypore or ice man fungus) is a species of fungal plant pathogen found in Europe, Asia, Africa and North America. The species produces very large polypore fruit bodies which are shaped like a horse's hoof and vary in colour from a silvery grey to almost black, though they are normally brown. It grows on the side of various species of tree, which it infects through broken bark, causing rot. The species typically continues to live on trees long after they have died, changing from a parasite...

Okay then.

Cerberus

@tchrist I don't think fomes is normally fungal in Latin.

tchrist

Yeah, tinder can be made from a lot of things.

The word amadou is new to me.

I wouldn't know how to say it. I'd probably try to stress it on the last syllable.

Amadou

Amadou is a spongy, flammable substance prepared from bracket fungi. The species generally used is Fomes fomentarius (formerly Ungulina fomentaria or Polyporus fomentarius), which in English is also called "horse's hoof fungus" or "tinder fungus". The amadou layer can be found on top of the fungus just below the outer skin and above the pores. It is traditionally used as tinder, and also, when smouldering, as a portable firelighter. Before such uses, amadou needs to be prepared by being pounded flat, and boiled or soaked in a solution of nitre. One method of preparation starts by soaking a slice...

Cerberus

> fōmes, ĭtis, m. [foveo], kindling-wood, touch-wood, tinder.

I. Lit.: "silici scintillam excudit Achates ... rapuitque in fomite flammam", Verg. A. 1, 176; Luc. 8, 776; Plin. 16, 40, 77, 208.—

B. Trop. (postclass.): "fomes et incitabulum ingenii virtutisque", Gell. 15, 2, 3: "peccati", Prud. Apoth. 942: "invidiae", Vulg. Gen. 37, 8.—

II. Transf.: fomites sunt assulae ex arboribus, dum caeduntur, excussae: dictae, quod in eo opere occupati cibis potuque confoventur, etc., Paul. ex Fest. p. 85 Müll.; cf.: Fomes πελέκημα, Gloss. Labb.

tchrist

Because it's spelled -ou not -ow. But really I have no idea.

Cerberus

Notice wood and assulae "chips".

tchrist

11:01 PM

Yes.

Cerberus

@tchrist I know this as a first name.

tchrist

Sex?

Cerberus

Male.

tchrist

I wonder where it's from.

Amado is of course "beloved".

Cerberus

I know it as the name of black men.

Perhaps it is Portuguese?

tchrist

11:03 PM

Amadou (name)

Amadou is the Francophonic-orthography variant of the Islamic name Ahmad, commonly used in West Africa. Amadou is interchangeable with the forms Ahmadu or Amadu in non-Francophone African countries. Notable people with the name include: Amadou Alassane (born 1983), French footballer Amadou Ali (born 1943), Cameroonian politician Amadou Ali Djibo, Nigerien politician Amadou Bagayoko (born 1954), half of Mali singing duo Amadou & Mariam Amadou Bakayoko (born 1996), Sierra Leonean-English professional footballer Amadou Bamba (1853–1927), Muslim Sufi religious leader in Senegal Amadou Cissé (born 1948...

Cerberus

Ahh.

tchrist

Portuguese -ar verbs have a stressed -ou 3s preterite inflection, but this is normally pronounced by most speakers just like the -ó one in Spanish.

Cerberus

Is it also the same as Ahmed, Achmed, and Ahmet?

tchrist

@Færd Do you happen to know?

This might just be a Latinization/Romanization issue.

tchrist

11:16 PM

The user's question confuses me.

Fomes fomentarius, the tinder fungus, is a substance one can use for making tinder out of, and which we derive the rare English words fomes and fomite from. If you wanted a word for burning to go along with that you have any number of adjectives to go along with that, like incendiary, ardent, ignited etc. But are you looking for a Latin word or an English one? And what part of speech are you looking for, a verb? I doubt most people would recognize those words, by the way. — tchrist 2 mins ago

Portuguese ter fome is French avoir faim or Spanish tener hambre. It’s rather a false friend.

In that that fome is not fungal.

> From Old Portuguese fame, from Vulgar Latin *faminem, from Latin famēs ‎(“hunger”), from Proto-Indo-European *dʰə- ‎(“to disappear”). Compare Galician fame, Spanish hambre (Old Spanish fambre), French faim, Italian fame and Romanian foame.

Not sure where the rhotic came from.

Cerberus

Like hombre from homo?

tchrist

I feel like I should, though.

Yes.

Nombre.

Oh wow, look at them all: etimologias.dechile.net/?hambre

> El final castellano -bre, es una evolución muy común de palabras latinas con sufijo -men, o con un grupo que llevaba la secuencia m-n, a partir de su forma de acusativo -minem/ -minam, que es una forma falsa y analógica en aquellas que son de género neutro (los neutros latinos tienen el acusativo igual al nominativo) y que con la pérdida del género neutro son transformadas en masculinos o femeninos

Cerberus

11:37 PM

Makes sense.

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