English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Mitch

14:46

oops. that was me walking over my cat's keyboard

Kit Z. Fox

I thought that was your password.

Mitch

Shut up!

Delete that please

Can you reinstate that and delete this?

I'd like people to believe that is my password

Kit Z. Fox

No.

I did the purge wrong, so room owners+ can still view it.

Mitch

but there are only 2 room owners now and they wouldn't believe my shenanigans, so the effect will unfortunately be minimal.

goes to tweet my 'password'

Kit Z. Fox

Well, let that be a lesson to you to make sure that I know you are joking next time.

Mitch

14:49

Ha ha...I wasn't joking at first.

except I don't have a cat.

But it wasn't my password

What's your password?

Kit Z. Fox

I'm too easily confused this morning. I can't follow. I've been listening to Crime and Punishment on my commute.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Good morning

Mitch

Listening?

Kit Z. Fox

Book on CD.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Morning!

Mitch

The crime scene is pretty terrible. I had to read it with my eyes covered.

(I peeked through my fingers)

Kit Z. Fox

14:58

I know, right? I was just getting into work, and I'm like "damn it! do I wait or just drive a bit more?"

Is he really going to do it? I don't know! Holy crap!

Matt E. Эллен

I read the transcript of the Commons debate on banning Donald Trump from the UK. Basically, MPs don't like trump and most of them don't think the Home Secretary should ban him. It wouldn't have taken however long it took if they'd just used a twitter poll.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hello

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Sarah Palin has endorsed Trump now. All that's needed now is for Rob Ford to also endorse him.

Matt E. Эллен

lol

Mitch

You can't sit in your car in the parking lot because coworkers will knock on the window asking you if everything is OK, and you'll be startled and shout expletives and yell no everything is not OK I;ve spilled my coffee and peed my pants and ...well I can just say I've spilled my coffee and I won't be lying

My list: I wake up.

Breakfast is immediately the first thing that happens.

Matt E. Эллен

I'm glad she's pro-polyamoury

Mitch

15:04

Nothing happens until after breakfast.

@MattE.Эллен !! only as many spouses as they can handle

Matt E. Эллен

:D

the seemingly arbitrary plurals in that is fun

Delta Escher

@Mitch Even those terrorist guys have a nice hearty bowl of Cheerios before going to their things

Matt E. Эллен

only one to-do list and coffee but multiple minds

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

All successful people have multiple beds to make each morning

And they all work together on a single top-priority business project.

Matt E. Эллен

yes! I need variety in my sleep: it helps foster creativity

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:08

Actually that's the only thing that makes them successful. The rest is correlation without causation.

Kit Z. Fox

I never make my bed. What's the point?

Matt E. Эллен

I don't know.

Delta Escher

@MattE.Эллен Sometimes a sleep with piranhas just for some spice

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox tidiness.

Matt E. Эллен

@KitZ.Fox I sometimes throw back the duvet, to let the mattress air a bit

Delta Escher

15:08

@KitZ.Fox Your parent's friends are visiting! They might take a visit to your room for tea!

Make that bed!

Kit Z. Fox

I consider myself successful. I consider the roughedupness of my bedclothes as a mark of my virility.

Matt E. Эллен

@DeltaEscher no pain, no gain?

@KitZ.Fox woo!

Kit Z. Fox

Same reason that I clean the bathroom so infrequently.

Delta Escher

If there's one place I clean, it's the kitchen

It stores my food, so I may as well pay respects

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox The list accounts for that. First you connect with your spouses. Then you make the beds.

Kit Z. Fox

15:09

Yes, kitchens need constant vigilance.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

And now we know why there are multiple beds.

Matt E. Эллен

:D

Kit Z. Fox

Oh, that's the "exercising" part, innit?

Matt E. Эллен

are you still fresh after exercise?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

"Get up early". "exercise". drink water. "connect with your spouses". "work on a 'personal passion project'". "make the beds".

Matt E. Эллен

15:11

:D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I think we know what these things are all saying.

Kit Z. Fox

Wow. When you put it that way.

Delta Escher

My personal project is making notes for a game I will slowly make

Matt E. Эллен

"double entendre"

Delta Escher

The notebook may be full as soon as 2020

Kit Z. Fox

15:12

I don't like "connecting" with anyone in the morning. I feel all greasy and breath-stinky and I usually really have to pee.

Delta Escher

@KitZ.Fox No matter how much water I drink, dry mouth finds me

Kit Z. Fox

And I want coffee and stuff. Cuddles would be great in like an hour or two, but who has time for that?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox You have to "get up early" and "drink water" first.

Delta Escher

It's like the grim reaper

Except not as nice

At least the grim reaper only comes once

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@DeltaEscher ease up on the heroin, maybe

But don't ease up on the heroine, or else she'll get away.

Matt E. Эллен

15:14

@DeltaEscher it's all the times he has to call off your meeting at the last minute that are the problem

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 "They check their email" ooh... sassy!

@MattE.Эллен I'm OK with that. "How about never? How is never for you"

Doing all that, I'd have to have breakfast earliest at about 3pm.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14 things succsexy people do before breakfast

Delta Escher

@MattE.Эллен He's like the Scholarship giver.

Mitch

But that's sort of OK because I wouldn't have anything left to do.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch but when if you're there, waiting and then he knocks on the window and points to his phone and mouths "sorry, something came up". I mean, when do I get priority?

anyway, that took a dark turn...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:17

No taking a dark turn in this chat.

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен Death...what a dick.

Matt E. Эллен

IKR!

Kit Z. Fox

@MattE.Эллен Death holds up a finger while staring at cell phone screen ... just gotta finish this text ...

Delta Escher

@KitZ.Fox Just E-Mailing my superiors

Mitch

I'm watching the video. I got someone's passport number out of that. Can I get a credit card with that?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:19

how does he even use a cell phone with those bony fingers

it must piss him off.

Delta Escher

We have a synergy meeting tomorrow

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

no wonder it takes so long

Matt E. Эллен

how does he mouth things without lips?

Kit Z. Fox

And then, right in the middle of reaping, he stops because he got a Tweet and wanted to check it.

Mitch

could explain the orneriness

Delta Escher

15:20

Death playing Yahtzee with all of the Harbringers.

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен he kinda gums it? wait...

Kit Z. Fox

-- Dude, I'm half-dead here!
-- (Death laughs at something on his phone) Look, watch this kitteh video. Seriously. It's funny.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I'm imagining one of those hidden-camera commercials: "We've replaced Death's Blackberry with the new Apple iPhone, let's see how he likes it" .... "hiss JOBS! sssss"

Delta Escher

@KitZ.Fox Reminds me too much of Billy and Mandy

Kit Z. Fox

I don't know what that means.

I've got to go clear my head. bbl

Mitch

15:21

@KitZ.Fox You need to watch more TV

Delta Escher

@KitZ.Fox Watch

The Grimm Adventures of Billy and Mandy

It's from when CN took cartoons seriously

Mitch

The golden age of cartoons

Delta Escher

Now it's all this Animu crap

MετάEd

@DeltaEscher Anime with cows?

Or anime with zen?

Delta Escher

@MετάEd Reference

Matt E. Эллен

15:23

@KitZ.Fox -- I've got to push back our meeting. Sorry. Can you hold on for, like, 30 more years? I'm pretty sure we've got a slot opening up then.

Mitch

@MετάEd spurts out milk through nose

Delta Escher

@MattE.Эллен 5% off if you purchase now

MετάEd

What did the cartoon zen cow say? Animu.

Delta Escher

@MετάEd What's Beethoven's favorite fruit?

MετάEd

@Mitch It's udderly funny, ain't it.

Delta Escher

15:24

Bananananaaaaaa

nanananananana

Matt E. Эллен

what did the very small cow say? μ

MετάEd

@DeltaEscher What's Beethoven doing now?

Mitch

decomposing!!

MετάEd

@MattE.Эллен :D

Mitch

ha ha!

Delta Escher

15:25

Probably playing checkers with Famine

MετάEd

@Mitch Glad somebody is following :-)

Delta Escher

Or maybe some Backgammon

No one plays Backgammon anymore

MετάEd

@DeltaEscher Hangman

Delta Escher

@MετάEd literally

Mitch

Backgammon is the last frontier of AI gaming.

MετάEd

15:26

There's nothing literal about checkers.

Delta Escher

@Mitch That or cribbage

MετάEd

@Mitch You go.

Mitch

@MετάEd Exactly. No one wants to bother.

MετάEd

Atari!

Ko battle! % % %

Mitch

Parried and counter-thrust.

Delta Escher

15:28

Simulator

I have so much prowess

Mitch

@DeltaEscher "In a huge upset, 12 year old Martha Stewart knocked out an adult Ronda Rousey"

Delta Escher

@Mitch Quadcopters I always turn off nature documentaries when they show these scenes

Mitch

It's hard to know which one to root for.

Delta Escher

xkcd has some moments

Wikipedian Protester

Mary Star

15:47

Hello!!

I am looking for an online site/program where I could refresh my english especially the english related to the hotel reception...

Do you maybe know such a site/program?

Delta Escher

StackExchanges...

@MaryStar Just ask anything there

Mitch

There will be very little there for the hospitality industry

Delta Escher

@Mitch Asking things is what SE is for

Mitch

@DeltaEscher Mary wants to refresh her use of English with hospitatilty concentration. A Q&A site is not what she wants, and even if it were, there's not SE site that would be close... etiquette plus cooking closest and still far away.

Delta Escher

Darn

Ask that question here

They'll probably know more than us

Mitch

15:57

@MaryStar There will be lots of online chat programs in English (but just typing). just google for english chat.

Mary Star

Ok... Thanks a lot!!

Mitch

If you want to do speaking/listening back and forth...there are some in higher skilled online language teaching, like ... what's the companion to Rosetta Stone?

Argh...I'm pretty sure there is something like what you are looking for for speaking, but can't remember the name yet.

Delta Escher

Maybe lynda.com has some stuff for that

Mitch

I doubt you'll find something geared towards hospitality (like hotel reception), that is a very niche market.

@DeltaEscher isn't lynda just programming languages?

Delta Escher

@Mitch It's everything at this point

Oops

You're right

I was thinking of another site I forget right now

Mitch

16:04

@MaryStar gotta run...I'll think on it and search. If you find anything, please tell us so we can pass it on to others.

Mary Star

@Mitch Ok!!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DeltaEscher >_<

Delta Escher

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. -{=_=}-

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@MaryStar BTW some learners use Language Overflow (the chat you entered and asked a question in) for improving their English.

So if it's solely a medium for talking you're looking for, LO's not bad.

@tchrist Wow, so feline.

@DeltaEscher ಠ_ಠ

May the character wars™ begin

Delta Escher

16:19

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. ヽ(⩿ᗝ⪀)ﾉ

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DeltaEscher ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Delta Escher

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. (ง⨱෴⨱)ง

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DeltaEscher (┛^Д^)┛︵ɹǝɥɔsƎɐʇןǝ◖

Delta Escher

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. [⌐■□■] random access memory

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DeltaEscher ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ง-]—- ᴇɴ ɢᴀʀᴅᴇ

Delta Escher

16:22

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. |•人•| hon hon hon

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DeltaEscher ₍ᐢ•ﻌ•ᐢ₎*･ﾟ｡

Delta Escher

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. (܍ω܍)/ *#$@

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DeltaEscher “v(〓￣(∵エ∵)￣〓)v”

Delta Escher

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. (づ◥▶益◀◤)づ

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DeltaEscher ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿’̿’̵͇̿̿з=༼ ▀̿̿Ĺ̯̿̿▀̿ ̿ ༽

Delta Escher

16:26

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. ᖗ⪩v⪨ᖘ

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DeltaEscher ┌( ͝° ͜ʖ͡°)=ε/̵͇̿̿/’̿’̿ ̿ └། ๑ _ ๑ །┘

Shoots

RIP @Greekletter

Delta Escher

ded

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

GAME OVER

Delta Escher

I'll be back on Easter

Kit Z. Fox

Enough. That's too much.

We don't need jokes about shooting each other in here.

Delta Escher

16:28

@KitZ.Fox That's for the RPG board

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Alright. Sorry

Kit Z. Fox

You may continue with the face-making though. Your ASCII creativity is interesting.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

But @Delta already lost . . .

Akh it's only so hard to get an ellipsis typed correct these days.

. . .

there.

I remember @Snail typed ththth to get it right.

I wish I had one of her magical keyboards.

Delta Escher

16:48

textsmili.es

Now you do @KitZ.Fox !

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Yawns

Mitch

any ideas?

Matt E. Эллен

1

A: How do I pronounce our moderator's name?

Pronounce my surname /ɛlən/. As in Ellen DeGeneres. It's the regular font, displaying Cyrillic characters.

@Mitch sometimes, but often I'm stuck

Mitch

I down voted and am going to give the right answer

Matt E. Эллен

:D

Mitch

16:56

Standards!!

Matt E. Эллен

If you think you can do better, go right ahead.

Delta Escher

I pronounced it Enneh

Matt E. Эллен

lol

fair enough

Delta Escher

You can pronounce mine Es-cher, I really don't care :p

Matt E. Эллен

Maybe I should change it to Ελλεν

Mitch

16:59

I pronounce it as though it were Irish - /wuv/

Delta Escher

or модератор человек

Mitch

How very Ellenic of you

Matt E. Эллен

thanks!

Mitch

My droogs call me Mischa

Delta Escher

My fish call me Delta Escher, Lord of Darkness.

At least, I pretend they do

Matt E. Эллен

17:01

I don't have fish

Mitch

Don't eat them so quickly

Matt E. Эллен

If I try to eat them slowly, they swim away

Delta Escher

@MattE.Эллен Same thing happens with my cereal

Except then it tries to eat me back

Matt E. Эллен

have you confused lions and cereal?

Delta Escher

@MattE.Эллен No, it just has a lot of Uranium

Good for my bones

Matt E. Эллен

17:03

ah

it'll enrich your being

Mitch

You know those kids who make up their own conlang (basically Tolkien fans in high school)? So isn't the quarterback of the high school football team considered just really geeked out on passing plays?

Delta Escher

It'll clean yer shoes

@Mitch Isn't the president just really geeked out on passing laws?

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch someone tried to argue that jocks were geeks, but I ignored them as it clashed with my answer that jock is the opposite of geek

Mitch

Uranium is not so good for your bones. Adamantium, #118, just synthesized for the first time, is terrible for your bones.

@MattE.Эллен it's like the SNL skit where all the pig face doctors do plastic surgery on someone and the best they could do was supposedly the ugly Pamela Anderson...

Delta Escher

Can I get a link to that synthesization @Mitch?

Mitch

17:07

But the punchline was that she was totally hot anyway

You can get a link if you google for it.

Element 118

Delta Escher

@Mitch That's the Twilight Zone

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Nothing radioactive is good for you, since when you're getting exposed, you're not getting exposed in a good way.

Delta Escher

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

user116848

@Mitch Seriously? Why? :)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

17:33

someone HAS downvoted that answer.

Kit Z. Fox

dun dun DUN!

@Arrowfar Because it's funny.

Cerberus

@Mitch So they network over coffee, but before breakfast?

user116848

@KitZ.Fox Yeah I gathered :)

Cerberus

Their breakfast must fall in the evening, then.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How dare someone downvote my perfect answer?!?!?!?!?

/ragequit

Kit Z. Fox

17:43

sighs, adds notch

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Community - notches gag

►

Matt E. Эллен

oh, Troy! you goof

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I had to GIS that to figure out why you posted it

Matt E. Эллен

:D

Community is big on referential humour

Kit Z. Fox

19:24

Uppermost - The Core

►

Dawny33

Hey folks, the Language Learning proposal has reached the commitment phase. Just in case anyone's interested in that community, you can commit to it here:

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/82841/…

Kit Z. Fox

@Dawny33 Are you going to merge ELL into it?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

19:42

@KitZ.Fox Judging by the example questions, I'd say ELL is OT

that is, ELL.se's questions are OT

Kit Z. Fox

It's about being a native English speaker and learning some other language?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Trump's supporters are childless single men who masturbate to anime

@KitZ.Fox It seems to be about how to learn a language vs language-specific questions

I'm guessing.

I didn't read it that closely but I didn't see any Qs that would go on ELL

Kit Z. Fox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ROFLCOPTER!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox The guy talking is apparently a GOP strategist? Anyway... the look on that woman's face at the end

Kit Z. Fox

Yeah. Awesome.

Kit Z. Fox

20:00

And the guy in the middle, who is obviously not paying attention.

GnomeSlice

@KitZ.Fox This is so dope

Mitch

22:38

14

A: Is there a word or term used to categorize words that are unnecessary to conform with grammar rules and don't add to the meaning of a sentence?

A pleonasm is "the use of more words than are necessary to express an idea" (here and here) You gave examples involving the sentential complementizer 'that'. When occurring after a propositional attitude verb like 'claims' and 'believes', the word is entirely optional. But it is a matter of styl...

Kit Z. Fox

Superfluous?

Mitch

I found this answer to be factually wrong. It sounds good, but is wrong.

@KitZ.Fox Sure.

I bet there is a good technical linguistics term for it.

But it ain't 'pleonasm'.

Matt E. Эллен

neolamps

Kit Z. Fox

Mm, yes. I think you are probably right. Pleonasms would be at best a subset of whatever the term is.

Hi @Matt!

bounds over and hugs @MattE.Эллен

Matt E. Эллен

hi :D

Mitch

22:41

@KitZ.Fox haha 'perhaps superfluous' was another answer.

Matt E. Эллен

hugs @KitZ.Fox back

Mitch

@KitZ.Fox or a superset

anybody for a high five?

Kit Z. Fox

high fives @Mitch

Mitch

Nice!

Ow that stings.

That was good one

Kit Z. Fox

grins, tongue lolls

Mitch

22:43

here's the ball! here's the ball! waves ball back and forth

pulls arm back to throw

Kit Z. Fox

I am not a dog.

Mitch

Oh.

drops the ball

Kit Z. Fox

watches the ball bounce a few times and then roll away

Mitch

You should see someone about your... uh ... tongue thing.

Kit Z. Fox

Vulpids loll their tongues too.

Mitch

22:44

@KitZ.Fox You're a cat?

Vulpids? You're all about a couple million years apart. I call that the same.

You're just not a golden retriever.

Kit Z. Fox

I'm cunning and playful, not dumb and playful.

Mitch

That's not dumb. It's just very good at following directions, or even knowing the intentions of others.

Kit Z. Fox

This got weird. Sorry. Let's play!

Mitch

If the thrower went over, picked up the ball, and gave it to the subject, and then the subject walked away with the ball, that would be clever (and the thrower kind of an idiot). A dick move, man, but clever. (grumbles over being outwitted by a 1 year old dog)

@KitZ.Fox weird is what it's all about.

I smell bacon and it's not morning. Am I having a stroke?

Just ran into the holodek wall. The software for this thing is great.

MετάEd

23:03

@Mitch Don't get me started on holodeck episodes. Or Q.

Matt E. Эллен

I see your edit @Mitch ಠ_ಠ

Mitch

@MετάEd Pfft, TNG

MετάEd

@Mitch Don't get me wrong. I admire a lot about TNG.

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен I'm not wrong

@MετάEd I'm so old, I think of TNG as the young upstart, getting all the details wrong.

Matt E. Эллен

That's true

for now

MετάEd

23:05

@Mitch "We do not discuss it with outsiders."

Mitch

I'm so old, I remember when the Enterprise was captained by Pike...in the pilot episode.

I'm so old, I remember Captain Kirk on the Twilight Zone.

I'm so old, I remember when Heather Locklear would jump into the squad car through the open window while TJ Hooker was peeling out.

Or wait... was that from 'The Big Sleep'?

user116848

It is 4 AM here and I popped here in chat. Not the usual timing for me.

Matt E. Эллен

I'm so young I don't remember those things

or I have a bad memory

Mitch

@Arrowfar Good timing except for the not able to sleep thing.

user116848

So good morning.

Matt E. Эллен

23:08

good almost morning :D

(23:08)

user116848

@Mitch Yeah that sucks. I slept for a while though, then woke up.

user116848

Like for an hour only heh.

Mitch

I am so old, I think I am young because I forgot everything from ... my first memory is winning the 2003 World Series. So Presuming I am the phenom rookie at 22 ... 36 years old.

Is that old? Everybody younger than me is young and everybody older than me is old.

user116848

Oh that all reminds me of Muhammad Ali quotes.

user116848

:)

user116848

23:15

Well kinda (there is no old part though). This one:

user116848

> You know I’m bad.
just last week, I murdered a rock,
Injured a stone, Hospitalized a brick.
I’m so mean, I make medicine sick.
I’m so fast, man,
I can run through a hurricane and don't get wet.

Mitch

"I'm so hot I make fire burn"

user116848

:)

Mitch

"I'm so good at stuff, Chuck Norris makes jokes about himself!"

wait...

nope, that's it.

I broke the joke thing.

Kit Z. Fox

@Mitch I remember that one.

@MετάEd Do you remember when Q was Eugene?

user116848

23:29

I think it is great that they lifted the ban on youtube where I live, now I can check my subscriptions and have fun.

user116848

Govt. here has a habit of taking the fun out of our lives sadly. Pfft.

user116848

Kit Z. Fox

Fun is forbidden!

You might get ideas!

user116848

:)

stack

What is the meaning of this sentence "great explanation ... well beyond "try this" ?

Kit Z. Fox

23:37

@stack The explanation covered more than "here are some steps to try". It likely had a lot of detail that explained the situation and why the steps should be taken, etc.

stack

very good, I got it

user116848

23:57

@KitZ.Fox Speaking of ideas I tried to gave an answer on Worldbuilding:

user116848

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Q: What environments would be best for a robotic AI lifeform?

A boundless AI brain could survive on any planet that has some basic metals and power sources, because it could invent new types of transistors from any kinds of chemicals to increase it's knowledge. Therefore it may avoid places with unstable weather or biological places, it might want to live d...

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