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12:02 AM
@Cerberus ha ha. successfully trolled. I actually made an error. I should have put American in there for English.
 
No Dutch death fairies. Lucky you.
 
@Robusto the transportation of fruit. The essay is about non-events. Ceci n'est pas une experience.
We can see photos of the new baby, but it is no match for having been there to hold it. That sort of thing.
 
@Mitch Haha, do you really think I believed you to be serious?
 
@Cerberus Argh! I was successfully double trolled!
 
12:04 AM
@tchrist Maybe the Kairen or some other Greek goddesses.
 
Him, Sirius? That dog don’t hunt.
 
@Mitch Remove the .
 
If I saw a man about that dog, how about then?
@Cerberus too late
@Cerberus duck:eend :: dog:hond - It is all clear now.
 
@Mitch What kind of ridiculous site is that?
Many of the historical claims are wrong.
Even the ones made by the Dutchman about Dutch history.
 
@Cerberus look man, I did a google search, and picked the result that would be the most provocative. so sue me. and then also congratulate me on choosing so well!
 
12:09 AM
I don't believe it!
You read that website every day before bed.
 
it says International skeptics somethety something. which one would think 'how nice', but then actually bothering to read it it looks like usual internet crap though
@Cerberus You wouldn't believe the amounts of stuff I don't read before bed. Well, maybe you would.
That started off sounding like a @Robusto-ism but then I turned it back around and made it my own.
 
applauds
 
:)
@Cerb it is time, say good night to your friends
 
12:28 AM
Oh wow, the doggy has an escort tonight!
 
02:30, am I wrong?
 
I would not care to intrude.
 
1:05 AM
I can't look...I'll look!
Augh!
Oh. Wrong room.
 
@Cerberus McWhorter says Cornish, not Celtic. Cornish and Welsh.
 
@JohanLarsson Not yet!
 
And hi Mom.
 
My bed time is around 4.
You're up late, @JohanLarsson !
@Robusto Okay, so what is our conclusion?
 
Read his book?
 
1:07 AM
I thought he mentioned Cornish and Welsh because those have Celtic influences.
 
those are p-Celtic
 
@Cerberus That was your inference, not my implication.
 
And so those features in Cornish and Welsh pointed to a Celtic origin.
 
brythonic
 
@Robusto You said:
4 hours ago, by Robusto
I was probably talking about do-support.
 
1:09 AM
I said nothing about Celtic.
 
You said it immediately after mentioning Celtic influence on English.
 
Did I say "Celtic"? If so it was a brain cramp.
 
I hate those. you have to stretch it right away out or it'll be sore all day
 
Your quotation was about Celtic.
 
Actually, brain cramps feel like regular brain stuff. in that they don't feel like anything at all.
 
1:10 AM
And your comment on the quotation.
But never mind, then.
I am still curious about those extremely frequent features of English that were influenced by Celtic.
 
or the other way round.
still not substantiated to be one direction or the other.
 
@Cerberus Oh, OK. I just referenced a quote I quoted four years ago while pausing from watching my son's Japan pix & vids. I am not qualified to represent Prof. McWhorter in this matter, so I do suggest you read his book.
 
well, at least not here.
 
Haha, okay.
I was hoping for a quick fix of historical linguistix.
 
1:15 AM
@Cerberus Did you see what I did there? "I do suggest you read his book (which covers do support)?
 
To that I can say only one thing:
Heh.
 
1:28 AM
> Good fried potatoes are easy to make, provided you ________________________.
What goes in the blank?
 
I don't think that would fit.
 
@tchrist "... use olive oil."?
 
@Mitch ✅
What else?
 
is it a language thing?
 
1:32 AM
It's something I had somehow forgotten, and I cannot understand how that could have happened.
No, it's a cook thing.
 
oh.uh... soak them in milk beforehand?
or is that for french fries?
 
Don't put them raw into the oil.
 
or cut them under water? Nope that's onions.
 
Boil them first, then cut.
 
brush with flour?
oh
I'm not adept at cooking. so I don't really know.
 
1:33 AM
I used to know this. What the hell is wrong with my brain?
 
My excuse is years of boxing, excpet I never did that so it's doubly worse.
 
Also, don't forget the onion and enough salt and pepper.
But everything else pales before the pre-boiling.
Even catsup.
 
1:49 AM
@Mitch I'm a bit scared. That pin is very close to my house.
Or what is that thing anyway?
There are no large rectangular buildings like that allowed in the city.
At least not in the good neighbourhoods.
I see they haven't depicted any of the churches, the tallest buildings.
But it's still nice.
 
2:09 AM
Lorin just brought home a rabbit for dinner.
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Q: Is it possible for a cat to run down a wild rabbit and kill it?

Esa PaulastoWhen I was a kid my mother's brother had a cat with rather odd body. It was strong and muscular in the front and had a very lean and longlegged rear. He told us kids that the cat can run down a wild rabbit, kill it and even eat it. Then again, he loved to tell imaginative stories, so I always tho...

 
2:45 AM
Well, well.
 
 
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3:55 AM
"My mother's brother" — you know, we have a word for that in English.
 
 
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8:58 AM
Hey guys. I am a bit low on confidence with regards to capitalising 'ipod'. Wikipedia and New Hart's Rules says to respect the company's choice and put iPod. But I think Robert Bringhursts, and last time I discussed about 'MotoGP', would suggest as either Ipod or IPod. What do you think?
 
9:13 AM
most people say iPod. @Cerberus would say Ipod.
 
and would cerberus fall into trouble for it if he were editing a book?
 
@tchrist most people say iPod. @Cerberus would say Ipod.
 
9:49 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected, offensive title detected: Is “fag” real word by Doyle goodwin on english.stackexchange.com
 
@tchrist bob
@LWTBP it would probably be corrected to iPod by an editor, and @Cerberus would complain to the editor and then it would be changed back.
 
And then the editor would get fired. From a Canon. Into the Sun.
Where do you think Murdoch obtains his batshit insane team?
 
batman
which Murdoch?
 
That's the editor he deserves, but not the one he needs.
@MattE.Эллен the Murdoch of Crows.
 
10:00 AM
> 1 Like
Must've been Borat.
 
I wonder what people who ask "Is "fag" real word" think a real word is.
 
Well, two examples of real words are erectial, disfunctiom.
I hope you can extrapolate the rest from there.
Good luck.
 
extrapolates
oh, dear god
 
If it keeps extrapolating for more than four hours, call an ambulance.
 
10:42 AM
-3
Q: I still want to be associated with your

sudeepI still want to be associated with your esteemed organisation.

I am really asombrate with that.
 
11:19 AM
-2
A: Why the phrase "thunder and lightning", and not "lightning and thunder"?

Mathew KeeleyAre you dumb? its thunder then lighting. silly boi

Abusive.
0
Q: Need and need to

Girish BhatnagarWhich one of the two sentences - "Do I need mention that she is my wife" or "Do I need to mention that she is my wife" - is correct use.

I just fixed all the tags.
 
11:43 AM
Tchrist is in ur internets fixing correct things.
All the correct things, mind you.
 
Now that those have cleaned themselves up, you can just synonymize it to . I suppose that's easier than getting a CM to blacklist.
 
Long done.
 
Thanks.
[status-complete]
 
11:54 AM
What is the status of scotus on potus?
 
they don't like him
 
Scalia is a scotal infection.
 
Eww. He should move to the quarantine zone in Scotland.
 
12:27 PM
@MattE.Эллен @RegDwigнt I think there's enough of a consensus by now to give opening up a migration path to ELL a try. Perhaps one of you could post an answer stating that we'll try it for a month or so and see if it works?
 
@terdon I... hope this is a painless as possible and that they accept it when it's taken away again. I suppose I need to ask a CM or something
 
@MattE.Эллен They'll have no choice but to accept it. We do, however, need clear guidelines on how/when to migrate. Perhaps J.R or someone else active on both sites could help formulate them.
I do think it's worth a try, at least.
And yes, as I recall, you need to ask a CM
 
@terdon my guidelines: don't vote to migrate.
 
Oh, come on. We do get some perfectly good questions that are just too basic for us.
 
yes, we do. the number of people who can identify them correctly is probably much less than the number of people with close votes
luckily they don't seem to have noticed they can flag for migration.
 
12:39 PM
Which room is this again now?
 
EL&U main :D
 
@MattE.Эллен I see your expectations are nearly as high as my own. :)
Do we have a success/failure metric vaguely in mind?
 
@tchrist yes. well, I probably am a bit too pessimistic
 
Oh, you're less pessimistic than me.
But you might still be right.
We could try it for a month or something, with education, and see whether the results are livable with.
 
@tchrist given that the flaggers are generally well versed in both sites, I don't have an idea what will happen
 
12:43 PM
JR doesn't count. :)
 
True.
When we see migration votes we don't think appropriate, we should leave constructive comments.
 
I'd agree, except in my experience, it seems like once a question gets an answer or two, it seems far less likely to get migrated. So, a potential problem with waiting for a moderator is that we might have fewer ELL questions getting migrated. I think this is something that the rank-and-file of ELU can handle. — J.R. Sep 12 at 8:26
well, JR is in favour...
 
@tchrist I believe the word in that case is lessimistic.
 
JR is a fine gentleman with a healthy positive outlook on things turning out for the better, which is a much better way to effect that result than the contrary proposition.
 
12:47 PM
true
 
So long as he’s ok with it, I bet it's got a chance. The strongest resistance is from hi-rep ELL users who are not also hi-rep ELU users.
 
In any case, as tchrist said in his answer, there's only one way to find out.
 
Another thing we might do to help is to touch up migration candidates through editing them into better questions if need be.
 
Yes. we should be doing that anyway :D
 
Exactly.
ELL doesn't have a culture of editing things much there.
So it would be more up to us, but that's ok.
 
12:51 PM
Yes.
 
I'm pretty sure the CMs have a template they edit for migration paths.
Has anyone talked to them about whether they’re ok with this?
 
I'm going to have lunch. Then I'll see if I can get JR and anyone else with good ideas involved in drafting the migration meta post, then I'll ask a CM about it
 
I ask because of the somewhat tumultuous birth pains ELL suffered.
@MattE.Эллен Thanks much.
 
@tchrist I don't know. a trip to the cabin is in order!
 
JR doesn't hang out in chat much, although he comes to TL when he needs to of course. But discussion chez elle (ELL's Cabin) would be good.
I'm sure StoneyB would contribute.
He's their 100ker.
 
12:58 PM
good call
 
Sand sculpture of Godzilla in Tokyo.
Lotta work for something that is going to blow away in a few days.
 
such is life!
 
No philosophy in chat.
0
Q: Kinder vs More Kind

evil999manDo we say "kinder" or "more kind"? I found people saying both things over the internet and got confused. Which is the correct one?

Dupe of
1
Q: The phrase "more sharp" vs "sharper"

pthurmondSo I was talking to my fiancee and she said "more sharp" to which I said "you mean sharper?". This is in context of talking about her current earrings being "more sharp" then her usual ones. She then insisted that "more sharp" is a proper phrase. I disagree. So we come to you, oh interwebs, to d...

 
We need a kinder disposition of that dup, and more swift.
Did anyone bother to explain when it's ok?
 
@tchrist You have really taken to wearing blue. ;-)
 
1:10 PM
It just happens. :)
 
Actually, here might be the canonical:
60
Q: "More clear" vs "Clearer": when to use "more" instead of "-er"?

HamidWhich one of these adjectives is correct? I can see that both of them are being used, I'm just not sure which one is grammatically correct. Are there any general rules to follow as to the use of one against the use of the other?

 
But yeah, that's why I asked which room this was a bit ago. Whole screen was blue.
@Robusto Cool, thanks. That's better.
 
Yeah, but no red box.
 
Exactly.
@ELU-Mods, you guys all need 2k on ELL. :)
 
That doesn't work here.
 
1:11 PM
I know it doesn't.
 
Oop!
 
It works for people looking at it. :)
 
@MattE.Эллен now that this is a real possibility (contradiction in terms?), we don't want to deluge ELL.
 
So you're saying I should hang out on ELL more?
 
Kit, glad you're here. When Matt gets back from lunchy, he's gonna rustle up a formalish migration path proposal, and is looking for input. I remember you had thoughts about that.
 
1:13 PM
Yeah, Matt asked me to join in.
 
@KitZ.Fox No, just that it helps for investigating migrations.
 
I thought that's what I had you for.
 
Heh.
 
Oh. You're PL&U, not ELL.
Still, fun toys, right?
 
Yes, but I'm 2k on ELL.
They are asking the same questions as ELU, which is interesting.
So we have questions about focus of "only", whether things like "a third of the X" is singular or plural, etc.
 
1:15 PM
hmm
that's interesting.
I guess I better get some breakfast then.
 
The Spanish site didn't have a very orderly development. Not sure how to say it right. I guess part because it was slow and part because the mods took a light hand in classifying and stuff.
 
@Cerberus It's not a perfect 3D representation of all buildings and their relative heights, but it's a start.
 
@tchrist ha ha...all languages are the same
 
@tchrist nice
 
1:17 PM
The problem is that the check for singular/plural for tags doesn't work with Portuguese morphology.
 
That's a fun challenge for you then.
 
And the SE software doesn't know that, not even on ptSO.
Mostly it’s just manual work. Singulars ending in -ão change to -ões usually, -ães often enough, and rarely but importantly -ãos.
 
@Kit long time!
 
The "trick" to knowing which if you haven't grown up with it is that you have to translate to Spanish or Latin or Italian in your head so you can see what version of -n disappeared. Captain, capitão/capitães, capitán/capitanes. Action, acão/ações, acción/acciones, Hand mão/mãos, mano/manos, Bread pão/pães, pan/panes.
 
@Johan Hiyo!
 
1:24 PM
It’s perfectly reliable but requires knowing more than one language.
 
@tchrist Which isn't difficult for you...
 
Another regular singular-to-plural rule is that -m nouns become -ns in the plural. Again, SE software is dumb.
@KitZ.Fox No. I'm pretty sure my brain translates everything into Spanish when I read it. I can read Portuguese and speak the Spanish translation aloud at full speed. I can't even read Spanish and speak the English translation aloud at full speed.
 
So you read Portuguese in Spanish. Eh, not the weirdest thing.
Kind of a cool superpower.
Oh! Want to hear something cool?
 
It’s a bit embarrassing, but I guess it's what happens.
Tell me.
 
We launched the new website (finally), and I was specifically noted to the CIO and sponsoring VP as instrumental to our success. I was the only worker bee so noted.
 
1:30 PM
Cool.
 
Thanks.
 
@Cerberus What pin? I don't see anything. But yes, I expected more church steeples. Says more about the data the guy used to construct his model (or 3D virtual map or whatever the medium was)
 
Also, they fired the dev that was making my life miserable.
 
@KitZ.Fox Extra nice!
probably for other reasons.
 
Because he screwed over the IT director who had been protecting him this whole time.
 
1:32 PM
@KitZ.Fox HIP HIP HURRAY!!!!
 
Well. I prefer reformation to termination, but some men you just can't reach.
I took his cube too.
mostly just to rub his face it in.
Although the light is better.
And this way, I get to meet more of the new people. I'm mid-level seniority now.
 
@KitZ.Fox Some people are broken.
 
OMG. Such blue. Much mods.
 
Very dazzling.
 
Hello Z.
 
1:45 PM
Hello owl.
 
Oh right. I'm an owl again.
Good thing someone told me.
 
My littlest asked me yesterday if we could get a snowy owl after our cats died.
 
Aw.
 
I’m concerned about the cause and effect issue there. A great-horned owl did take a kitty in my neighborhood.
So too could a snowy.
 
Well, same mice, different predator.
 
1:47 PM
His argument was that it is very cold where we live and the cats bring voles, so the owl wouldn't be hungry because we have voles that live here.
 
@KitZ.Fox been exposing them to Harry Potter?
 
O termo coruja é a designação comum das aves estrigiformes, das famílias dos titonídeos e estrigídeos. Na região do Amazonas, algumas espécies também são chamadas de murutucu. Tais aves possuem hábitos notívagos e voo silencioso devido à estrutura das penas, alimentando-se de pequenos mamíferos (principalmente de roedores e morcegos), insetos e aranhas. Engolem suas refeições por inteiro, para depois vomitarem pelotas com pêlos e fragmentos de ossos. Os filhotes de corujas podem ser vítimas de outros predadores, como o gavião. As corujas podem girar sua cabeça e pescoço em até 270º em qualquer...
 
@KitZ.Fox Nice! :)
 
Except the cats eat them.
But they wouldn't if they were dead.
 
The vole warren back of me is attracting rattlers.
 
1:48 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Nope. Recent fascination with polar animals.
 
What with winter and all.
He told you winter was coming.
Next up: fascination with dragons.
 
@terdon I'm totally leveraging that synergy with my annual review.
 
Also, bloody weddings.
 
Nah, that was last year.
 
That's what Don Draper said, but then he finally got an Emmy.
 
1:49 PM
not scruting
 
> porquê de ter gente
 
Oh @Mr.Shiny, I started the eldest on Java last weekend. First thing he decided he wanted to do was create a Hexen mod for Minecraft.
 
Porque detergente?
@tchrist?
I assume it means "porque tanta gente", right?
 
@KitZ.Fox That seems ambitious
 
No.
A causa de tener gente.
Tener is ter.
 
1:52 PM
Ah!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, I didn't want to squash his ambitions, so I immediately sat him down so we could write a scope document for the project...
Not really, but I did tell him to write stuff down instead of just telling it to me, because we were both going to forget it by the time we got the one thing done.
 
Could somebody please go mark this with to get it off the dockit? Reg did it this morning after I edited all the existing ones.
Thronegame won 12 Emmies? Really?
 
Oh yeah. I was going to get back to those.
 
Just one in acting though.
 
Crapfest won 12 Crappies?
That is a surprise because?
Not enough Crappies?
 
1:59 PM
Bigger fish in the sea than crappie.
 
Feb 26 '14 at 21:07, by RegDwigнt
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 magpies are just rich man's wagtails.
You get an automatic Crappie for Achievement in the Field of Lifetime Excellence for every 100 mentions of a dragon not accompanied by showing said dragon. It's just that most shows are barely scratching the 80s mark, while this one determined show is plowing through its OVER 9000.
 
Dragon rental is very expensive for a direct-to-video releases.
 
It took Don Draper a frigging seven years to get to his 100th dragon.
He should have named himself Don Dragon, then he'd've gotten it first thing in the morning after the pilot. What idiot!
 
for any one who is interested:

 How to migrate from EL&U to ELL

A discussion about the guidelines for migrating from EL&U to ELL
 
For people who like seeing flows of refugees in virtual worlds, too.
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2:08 PM
@MattE.Эллен Any reason for me not to post that over yonder too?
 
@tchrist good plan!
 
k thanks
 
A plan as good as any. At best.
 
2:19 PM
@RegDwigнt I dunno, I much prefer virtual refugees than real ones. There's less guilt about not contributing to some charity to help them.
 
Well. Last I checked my ELU paycheck, it very much felt like working for a non-profit charity.
 
2:48 PM
There are for-profit charities?
 
e.g. IKEA :D
 
3:54 PM
I cash everyday all the checks I get from IKEA
 
4:31 PM
@Mitch This one.
 
4:59 PM
Hi!
 
Hello
 
Does this sound good: "yesterday piano practice"?
 
user116848
Hi!
 
Hi pal
 
It should refer that yesterday I practiced piano.
(and I'm posting my record online)
*Yesterday piano practice*
<Link to my record>
 
5:02 PM
How about "yesterday's piano practice"
 
Oh, yeah! :)
I wasn't sure if I should use 's or not.
Thank you
 
Thanks for asking
:-)
 
@skillpatrol Seems you're good in math. :D Gave you some upvotes :)
 
Thanks :-)
 
@skillpatrol Ah, and here is my yesterday's piano practice :)
 
@IonicăBizău cool
 
@GlenTheUdderboat Sounds familiar–I think I heard it before. :) Nice piano playing
Programming is my life, piano is my love. :)
 
user116848
@GlenTheUdderboat Nice song! First time I'm hearing this.
 
@IonicăBizău Sounds like a very dull bar suddenly.
 
5:22 PM
Yeah, that's the beauty of improvisations :)
 
Evening
 
user116848
Evening.
 
Guys, quick Q. What is correct word for my cousins son? As I understand my brothers son, would be nephew.
 
user116848
"Second cousin" I think.
 
user116848
A cousin is a relative with whom a person shares one or more common ancestors. In the general sense, cousins are two or more generations away from any common ancestor, thus distinguishing a cousin from an ancestor, descendant, sibling, aunt, uncle, niece, or nephew. However, in common parlance, "cousin" normally specifically means "first cousin". Systems of "degrees" and "removals" are used in the English-speaking world to describe the exact relationship between two cousins (in the broad sense) and the ancestor they have in common. Various governmental entities have established systems for legal...
 
5:33 PM
Isn't cousin my mothers/fathers brothers/sisters son?
 
And my mothers/fathers brothers/sisters sons son is second cousin?
 
No.
Cousins, really first cousins, share the same grandfather, second cousins the same great-grandfather, third the same great-great-grandfather, etc.
Your uncle's children are your first cousins and their children are your first cousins once removed. They are not your second cousins.
 
Depends on culture too
 
No, it doesn't.
 
user116848
5:36 PM
There is also this term: "First cousins once removed".
 
This is a technical definition.
 
user116848
Yeah.
 
user116848
It feels like doing maths.
 
Some cultures don't have these terms.
 
The genetic relationship is a mathematical one.
 
user116848
5:37 PM
Wikipedia has a good chart.
 
Culture doesn't matter to math.
 
Tell me about it pal
 
Your second cousins are the grandchildren of your grandparents' siblings.
 
'first cousins once removed' is actually said this way? once removed? Seems so odd. When I found it on the internet I thought it was a mistake.
 
Those are your cousins' children.
It is correct.
 
5:42 PM
Okay. Thank you.
 
Your cousins' grandchildren are your first cousins twice removed.
 
first cousins removed removed :)
 
It's all just math.
 
Their genes have been "removed" from your family tree :P
 
 
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7:53 PM
@Cerberus Oh. That's ...well... just one of the few tall buildings actually included.
 
8:31 PM
What is the name of the sound a cat makes when feeling good. Katten spinner
Purrs?
 
user116848
Yes "purr" it is.
 
user116848
> purr: (of a cat) make a low continuous vibratory sound usually expressing contentment.
 
ty sir
 
 
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11:25 PM
@Mitch But there are no tall blocky buildings, that would be illegal.
 

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