English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

it seems that I have to make some research about this topic, that is because sometimes you find separable phrasal, I think some research will help me to distinguish between them

Mitch

So you say 'he put up with me' to say he tolerated me

You don't say 'he out me up with.'

Same with your sentence 'he called me' on for....' Sounds like 'he called me' (with a phone) and 'adding 'on sounds like you're starting a prepositional phrase, but then 'for' follows the 'fob' which is not right here (in some other circumstance it might be ok.

A lot of times it is just the pattern you have to hear over and over, not necessarily a hard and fast rule.

Mohammad

aha, thank you so much @Mitch that was very helpful.

Mitch

12:48 AM

Phrasal verbs and separately prepositions are both difficult that way (sometimes there's a pattern and other times no pattern or logic)

Mohammad

yes, I noticed that while I was studying on them, still I need to study and study more to be good with them

Mitch

Phrasal verbs are very common in informal speech, but not as often in formal speech, so most native speakers don't even hear about them in school, so they just 'know' how to use them, but not really how to describe them well. (Like I have trouble saying what the rules are)

Gotta run... Bye!

Mohammad

No, your description was very helpful, thanks a lot.

Mitch

Back for two minutes!

Ask me anything!

Capitals. Ask me a capital.

Burundi ....

Bujumbura I think

Ask me anither

Mohammad

"Burundi" ?? "Bujumbura" ??

Mitch

1:02 AM

Capital cuties of countries

Mohammad

what is the capital of Jordan ?

Mitch

Amman

Mohammad

heheh nice, I am not good in capitals

Mitch

Easy! Try a new country.

Or a new capital, like for Myanmar.

Mohammad

"Gotta run" mean that you want to go ?

Mitch

1:04 AM

Not that I want to but I have to.

Mohammad

OK, Beirut is the capital of .........

Mitch

I don't know the new capital of Myanmar, used to be Yangon

Lebanon.

Mohammad

is "the capital" or is "capital"

Mitch

Hm... I sense a trend.

How about Qatar?

Mohammad

Dawha

what about UAE ?

Mitch

1:06 AM

Oh? Nice

I thought Doha was the capital of UAE. Anyway, um ...

Shoot... I don't know.

Don't tell me.

It's...

Mohammad

No, Doha is the capital of Qatar

Mitch

It's where the Barj Khalifa is, right?

Mohammad

Abu Dhabi is capital of UAE

Mitch

The capital of UAE

Mohammad

yes right

ok, what is the capital of KSA ?

Mitch

1:08 AM

Oh. I thought Abu Dhabi was one of the emirates by itself and had a capital of its own

Argh! I don't know what KSA is!

Kuwait?

Mohammad

No, all of them form UAE United Arab emirates

wait

Riyadh is the capital of KSA

Kuwait is the capital of Kuwait

Mitch

Also medina right?

For Saudis arabia

Mohammad

medina is a city

Mitch

Or Mecca. Sorry I mix those up.

Mecca and medina that is. As cities

Mohammad

Mecca is the Holy capital not the political capital

but they are cities, yes

Mitch

1:13 AM

Ok. And Mohammed (your namesake) did the hajj from Medina to Mecca right?

Ask me another!

Iman

I mean Oman

Mohammad

the hajj is from any where in the world

Mitch

I think Muscat? It maybe Oman is the capital of Oman?

Mohammad

the capital of oman is Muscat

yes

Mitch

By Hajj I meant the first one ever by Mohammed. Do you not call that the hajj?

Are you from that area? The Middle East?

Mohammad

it is not easy to describe how the hajj on chat

yes, I am from the middle east

Mitch

1:16 AM

I understand. I'll try Wikipedia.

Mohammad

I send resources for you

@Mitch where are you from ?

Mitch

How about Bahrain?

I'm from the US

Mohammad

are you Muslim ?

Mitch

No. But I know a few.

Mohammad

youtube.com/watch?v=NPvNh7lLJb4 mybe this will be helpful, I do not know if it is accurate

you have a good knowledge about other cultures, that is very nice @Mitch

Mitch

1:20 AM

From your name I'm guessing that you are Muslim

Mohammad

Yes, I am Muslim

and you @Mitch

Mitch

I think I'm good at geography. I annoy everybody else when Jeopardy is on (the TV trivia game) because I shout the geography answers before everybody else (right or wrong)

I was brought up christian

Mohammad

@Mitch I respect all people from all religions

@Mitch are you M or FM

Mitch

Everybody has good things to follow.

Religion is usually just an excuse people use to be jerks to each other!

M

My name is almost always male

Mohammad

Aha

I think that religions have came to organize our lives

Mitch

1:25 AM

But not common. So easy not to know

They provide a lot of structure and civilization.

Mohammad

what do you mean by "they provide a lot of structures and civilizations"

Mitch

But people really get upset when those people who love across the street use the wrong kind of fork!

Or no fork at all!

Mohammad

what does "fork" mean ? hehehe

Mitch

Ha ha!

Mohammad

?

Mitch

1:30 AM

By civilization I mean doing things the same way in complicated ways. Like holidays or eating meals or stories.

Whereas it seems to us that tribes running around the woods in the Amazon rainforest have no civilization.

Mohammad

yeah, but religions not like this, but you have to follow somethings to make your life better

Mitch

(When really they do it's just hard to tell because it's different from tribe to tribe)

Ok a hard one... Tadjikistan. No googling

Mohammad

I think, the same name

Mitch

I think it is dushanbe

All those central Asian countries are hard to keep apart

Mohammad

hhhhh, I told you, I am not good in geography

Mitch

1:36 AM

I just googled it. I was right!

Mohammad

heheh

Mitch

Do you know any other languages than English?

Mohammad

Arabic and english

Mitch

Your English is pretty good.

Are you able to read Classic English novels easily?

Mohammad

the problem is that I can't find a language partner to practice with

Mitch

1:38 AM

Well as easy as is possible because they aren't so easy for native speakers either

Mohammad

maybe, give me one and I will try

Mitch

Have you tried livemocha?

Mohammad

No

Mitch

You can be a reviewer for Arabic while somebody else (really, lots of other people) review your English

Mohammad

yes

Mitch

1:40 AM

And I think at some point there is interactive conversation.

Mohammad

do you know, I do not know why a lot of people reject to accept you as a friend just because you are from ME

Mitch

But earlier in the process, they just record you and a native speaker plays it back and makes comments

Who are these people doing the rejecting? What context?

Mohammad

yes, but I told you it is not enough just to chat, you also need to talk with others

I tried to make friends on MEET ME application

but when they know that you are from the ME they reject you

they think that everybody here is with ISIS

@Mitch ok, Maybe we can complete chatting latter, I think that I will be off, it is 4 AM here in jordan

Mitch

2:17 AM

@Mohammad people are idiots.

Later.

tchrist

Especially marketing people.

Somehow I find that advert unsettling.

Mitch

That dude needs to cut his hair

tchrist

Oh, is that it? I wasn’t sure.

Mitch

His head is too big for his body

tchrist

The hemipenes are bothersome, too.

The smirk makes you think he’s just done, or is about to do, something truly heinous.

Mitch

2:22 AM

I know! Which one to use? Always a fashion choice.

Heinous as milking a cow.

A dirty cow.

tchrist

Is that why his cheeks are so red?

I thought you were supposed to use your hands.

Mitch

From blushing

From kissing a dirty stinking cow

tchrist

Milk maids.

Mitch

Cows know no shame

:D

tchrist

Keine kine shame.

Mitch

2:24 AM

Beef bums

tchrist

Virginal bovine lactation engineers.

Hm, lactating virgins.

Mitch

Funny because it is probably true

tchrist

There are pictures of that.

Mitch

The engineer thing, not the virgin thing. Unless it is a medical condition. Where is @medica when we need facts?

Like Lego porn. I don't want to know.

tchrist

The Miraculous Lactation of Saint Bernard

Although I perceive the flow going in the other direction, myself.

Mitch

2:28 AM

Caravaggio!

Which turtle is Tintoretto? The pizza loving one?

tchrist

I always thought Saint Bernards lived on whiskey, occasionally dispensing it to the frozen dead guys in the Yukon. But apparently actual Saints Bernard instead subsist on virginal milk.

Men can lactate in response to their newborns.

Whether they should be considered virgins is somewhat contentious.

Mitch

Fibonacci? Cardamom? Tartaglia? Bombelli?

tchrist

> There was a merry passenger,
A messenger a mariner:
He built a gilded gondola
To wander in and had in her
A load of yellow oranges
And porridge for his provender;
He perfumed her with marjoram,
And cardamom and lavender.

Mitch

Not rosemary? And please, some salt

tchrist

Scansion.

Mitch

2:36 AM

Why is there no poetry about donuts?

tchrist

Because does have no nuts.

Mitch

Gilding the lily.

tchrist

Doe, a deer, a female deer, no nuts hath.

0

A: Should north, south, east and west be capitalised?

Meaning for place. And name het region meaning. Caps direction mess respect to you

WTF?

Mitch

If anywhere on the net is a place to attract peevers, it would be here.

tchrist

> He sat and sang a melody,
His errantry a tarrying,
He begged a pretty butterfly,
That fluttered by to marry him.
She scorned him and she scoffed at him,
She laughed at him unpitying,
So long he studied wizardry,
And sigaldry and smithying.

> He wove a tissue airy thin,
To snare her in; to follow her,
He made him beetle-leatherwing,
And feather wing of swallow hair.
He caught her in bewilderment,
With filament of spider-thread.
He made her soft pavilions,
Of lilies and a bridal bed,
Of flowers and of thistle-down,
To nestle down and rest her in,
And silken webs of filmy white,
And silver light he dressed her in.

Mitch

2:42 AM

Who is that by?

tchrist

The meter and rhyme scheme is unique, isn’t it?

Mitch

Iambic quadrameter?

tchrist

One guess and the first one doesn’t count.

You would mean tetrameter, if it were that, and it is not.

Mitch

Haha I don't know then

tchrist

Notice the end of the line rhymes with the middle of the next every pair.

And lots of feminine rhyme.

Mitch

2:45 AM

Trochreeic spondylolithiasis?

tchrist

There is also end-rhyme.

And alliteration.

And assonant rhyme.

Mitch

I want every word to rhyme. That would be real poetry.

tchrist

See here.

> The rhyme-scheme of Eärendillinwë really is "too multitudinous for its pattern to be comprehended", at least on first listen.

ta-TA ta-TA ta TA-ta-ta, but there is much much more to it.

I guess it is tetrameter.

But the last foot is not iambic.

Mitch

All those bards had a lot of time on there hands to make those words rhyme like that

Oh. I was reading it all school boy style. the Rain in Spain falls Main- lee On the Plain

tchrist

This is the provender your cardamom has bought you.

Mitch

2:54 AM

Sorry gotta run. Later!

tchrist

night falls

the banshee beckons

Robusto

@Mitch La la la la la la la / La la la la la la la la la

tchrist

a coon just scampered past my back porch

well, on my back porch by the window behind me.

the kitty rushed down from my bed to glare at it.

Or I would not even have known it was there.

It’s blowing at 70 mph right now.

Robusto

The racoon or the wind is blowing at 70 mph?

tchrist

Banshee chinooks.

I think the coon was running for a hidy-whole.

Robusto

2:59 AM

A chinook wind at 70 mph? That doesn't seem likely. South winds are gentler than that.

tchrist

My garage door keeps slamming shut, very loudly and scarily.

Oh, these are not southerly.

You are on the wrong axis.

They come howling down from the Continental Divide.

> In the Rocky Mountains, where warm, dry downslope winds can melt a foot of snow in less than a hour, they are called the chinook--after Native Americans of the Pacific northwest, where the winds originate.

I’ve had chinooks over 120 mph twice.

> Chinook winds are down-sloping, warm, and dry winds that occur in the lee of high mountain ranges, such as the Rocky Mountains in the United States. Chinook winds are fairly common during the winter months and often bring extreme increases in temperatures to the region as they move from west to east across the mountains. While these winds bring warmer temperatures during the winter months, they can often be devastating with sustained winds and gusts sometimes as strong as those produced by tornadoes.

Robusto

@tchrist You're the one who said chinook. Those are supposed to be warm.

tchrist

They ARE warm. Hot, even.

Things are hitting my house.

Robusto

Duck.

Or tell your house to duck.

tchrist

The regular door into the garage doesn’t latch properly, and it keeps slamming like gunshots.

Robusto

3:04 AM

Put a box of bricks behind it.

tchrist

Yeah, but I have to go out there. I guess I’d best go do that.

Used bungie cords.

Hadn’t realized the main car-door was open, so it was causing pressure changes and slamming the person-door.

I have to try to pass out. Got up at 4:45am EST and it’s now 8:10pm MST.

Even with earplugs in, my bed shakes in this wind and I feel it, because I have the northwest top corner and there is no buffer between me and infinity.

I could sleep in another bedroom, but this is my first night back in my own bed, and I miss it.

If it gets worse, I may give up.

We just finally hired a DBA who's hot shit and really knows his stuff. I really wish we would hire a front-end guy, because our js integration could use a deft hand, but there aren't really any openings for that. We're still trying to talk management into the need for that position.

All model–view–controller stuff.

Which I sometimes think has been over-engineered and sometimes the reverse.

To bed, perchance to shake.

Robusto

3:47 AM

@tchrist Oyasuminasai.

Jasper Loy

10:26 AM

Hey @skullpatrol.

skullpatrol

Hi pal @JasperLoy

Sorry gotta run. Talk to you later my friend :-)

crl

11:32 AM

@tchrist model, view controller for js? Is it Sencha/Ext.js stuff?

or the guy who made the design loves design patterns

It's funny that the world most populated country use the shortest names

They have many collisions

skullpatrol

Brevity has its advantages.

Boris_yo

12:16 PM

Hello!

Is "twist in" same as "twist on"?

I am trying to twist in plug to plug oil bottle.

Not just pull it in but use some twisting.

Cerberus

Morning!

> I am trying to twist in a plug to plug an oil bottle.

When you say twist in, I am thinking of something that goes into something else, like a plug.

When you say twist on, it's something that you put onto something, like a lid on a bottle.

Who can guess which coin is from where?

Hint: the ugliest one is from Holland.

Second ugliest from Luxembourg.

Boris_yo

Twist in when plugging and twist on when screwing cap on?

Cerberus

I would say yes.

If twisting is what you're really doing.

Boris_yo

@Cerberus And the opposite is twist out?

Cerberus

Yes.

LeGrandDODOM

12:31 PM

Hello

Cerberus

Hi!

LeGrandDODOM

Do you know where I can find a list of all English adverbs ? I find them utterly useful to write more concisely (I found a list of sentence adverbs in Garner's Modern American usage)

crl

I would parse a whole dictionnary, and filter on adv.

I've registered on the Cambridge dictionary online website, and requested an API key, it will be fun to play with

Cerberus

1:23 PM

United States v. Article Consisting of 50,000 Cardboard Boxes More or Less, Each Containing One Pair of Clacker Balls

United States v. Article Consisting of 50,000 Cardboard Boxes More or Less, Each Containing One Pair of Clacker Balls, 413 F. Supp. 1281 (D. Wisc. 1976) is a 1976 United States District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin decision regarding a requested order from the United States government to seize and destroy a shipment of approximately 50,000 clacker balls under the Federal Hazardous Substances Act. == Background == In 1974 in Mequon, Wisconsin, the United States Marshals Service seized a shipment of clacker balls—toys comprising two hard acrylic balls connected by a piece of string...

Isn't this a nice name for a legal case?

skullpatrol

Lol

Boris_yo

@Cerberus If I want to say "makes eye catchy gitft/favor" or "an eye catchy gift/favor" what is the right way to spell it?

Cerberus

@Boris_yo You probably mean eye-catching.

Boris_yo

@Cerberus Yes, like something that is shiny and attractive.

Cerberus

@Boris_yo Then yes, it's eye-catching.

Boris_yo