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12:13 AM

These do not look like sharp S but more like long S. This is especially clear in “Harneſs Maker”. And interesting the inconsistencies. “Maliſsa” and “Clariſsa”, and “Harneſs Maker” – but “Missouri”. Also no long S in “Millersburg”, “Reason”, “Rosetta”, “Teamster”, or “English Township”. — MετάEd 5 mins ago

@KitFox Vlad Putain

1:00 AM

Limerick Machine: I have just turned thirty three I don’t know what this means to me I feel the same It’…

posted on February 12, 2014 by sgdi

I have just turned thirty three I don’t know what this means to me I feel the same It’s totally lame Nothing in life comes for free

1:18 AM

Seriously, downvoter? This is accurate information and was the first answer given (therefore not copied from one of the others). In fact, the other answers, while more verbose, are in accord and might be construed as elaborations on this one. — Robusto 8 hours ago

I swear. Well, no good dead, etc.

By the moon and the stars in the sky.

No good dead, indeed.

By way of thanks. Thankee, ma'am.

"Hmm what down-vote?"

Kit rectified it.

Are you sure?

1:21 AM

Did I?

I am sure I would never do such a thing.

Might not have been.

Gosh, I wonder, who would have up-voted that?

I am going to record a YouTube video.

ASMR?

"I've always depended on the kindness of strangers." — Blanche Dubois, A Streetcar Named Desire

1:22 AM

@Cerberus An attempt, yes.

A short experiment.

Hey, we're no strangers.

@KitFox Good.

shhh

I know. I've known you two for three years and change.

Don't try your ASMR hissing tricks on me.

Crazy, innit?

1:23 AM

Yeah, it's been interesting.

OK. I'm going to record it and then come back. I'll post it if you're interested.

> Fixed â€œNoBigPictureâ€ dialogs not showing correctly localized strings

OK, not a confidence-builder.

brb

> A good change is on the way
In the coming weeks you'll notice a change happening. SkyDrive will become OneDrive, an even better place to store and share your favorite things across all of your favorite devices. But don't worry, during this transition you'll still be able to access all of your photos, videos, documents, and files.
OneDrive. It's everything you love about SkyDrive and more.
And it's coming soon.

I got this e-mail.

Well, send them money straightaway.

1:24 AM

Notice how it says absolutely nothing, in stupidese.

And I happen to know that the only reason they're changing their name is because they were court ordered.

In Stupid England.

Oh, the untruthness of advertising and marketing.

Microsoft is a veritable Minitrue, yay!

@Cerberus I've heard it as retardese

@Cerberus And Miniluv as well!

@Robusto Hah.

I do not object to that name.

@Robusto Ah, was that the Ministry of War?

No, I think that was Minipax.

List of Newspeak words

In George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, the fictional language Newspeak attempts to eliminate personal thought by restricting the expressiveness of the English language. In keeping with the principles of Newspeak, all of the words listed here serve as both nouns and verbs; thus, crimethink is both the noun meaning "thoughtcrime" and the verb meaning "to commit thoughtcrime". To form an adjective, one adds the suffix "-ful" (e.g., crimethinkful) and to form an adverb, "-wise" (e.g., crimethinkwise). There are some irregular forms, such as the adjectival forms of Minitrue, Minipax, Minipl...

Yup.

Ah, torture.

Don't you know it's torture? Baby, it's a living hell.

I don't think this webcam is going to work. :-(((

1:41 AM

curious how the Japanese track names appear to be Japanese characters "sounding out" the English names

rather than an actual Japanese translation

maybe that's what they always do in computer games

That's how they render foreign words. In katakana, syllable by syllable—approximately.

yeah but why not translate?

It's just a thing with them. I honestly don't know the reason for it.

Because English sounding phrases make you sound cool.

it's like a track in English being called Taki

1:44 AM

Like saying katana instead of long blade.

Except the other way around.

hmm i spose there's that

although a katana is a very Japanese thing

not some general word we just use the Japanese for

Well, that's kind of it, though, right? Makes it sound exotic.

Even if it just means "raw fish".

no, i'd say we use it to describe a Japanese type of long blade

if you took a medieval English long sword, could you describe it as a katana?

No, no, that's not what I mean. I mean, we use words like sushi when it's raw fish. Sushi sounds exotic and exciting, but it's just raw fish, innit?

For instance.

Sushi is a Japanese dish ;-)

we use Japanese words for Japanese things

1:52 AM

So what's the Japanese thing they are using English words for?

every track

@KitFox But that's not what the characters mean.

translate.google.com/#auto/en/…

Look. You're getting hung up on the details. The point is, using a foreign language/sounds makes it sound cool.

It's about the same as Westerners getting kanji tattoos.

1:54 AM

so, really dumb then

It's a little more than that.

a

Because they can at least read the sounds of the katakana. Most Westerners can't put sounds to kanji.

example

You want an example of Westerners not putting sounds to kanji?

1:56 AM

wait, katakana is just like a japanese sound alphabet isnt it?

It's one of two writing systems for expressing their phonetic "alphabet"—called a syllabary, because each character represents a syllable.

so it's a bit like spelling out sounds with letters

Westerners can put sounds to letters

Yeah. 寿司 is sushi, but phonetically in Japanese it would be rendered as すし. す = su and し = shi

スシ in katakana is the same as すし in hiragana.

segue -> segway

why do Japanese put -o and -u at the end of many words?

> トレイド

they seem to use "toredo" for "tread"

Because all their syllables end with a vowel. Except for the terminal n sound.

2:02 AM

i can understand not being able to pronounce a sound, but they're unable to stop themselves pronouncing something?

Huh?

they could just not pronounce the -o

when spelling out an English word

They're not used to doing that. Just like we're not used to making each syllable the same duration as every other.

Feb 16 '13 at 19:49, by Robusto

大坂（おおさか）is clearly four syllables. You can tell this because it uses four characters from the syllabary to write it down: お+お+さ+か

Read the discussion I had with @Cerberus there.

The first one is big.

Da.

Yep.

And the second one is slope.

2:05 AM

Don't know what that is in Japanese though.

Big Slope.

I see.

curious, google translate is OK with that first character meaning "large" in either japanese or chinese

It is really hard for my Chinese friends to get used to saying my name.

frankly, even I find KitFox a bit weird

2:06 AM

Usually they end up somewhere near Keetuh.

when it's supposed to be?

Like Kit is weirder than Jez. Come now.

@Jez Kit.

oh, there's the parasitic syllable at the end again

It's pretty impossible for them to stop on a consonant.

the inability to tell "l" from "r" is just weird too

i mean lice and rice sound totally different

2:08 AM

Nah, that's just because of the retroflex.

huh?

@Jez Their r is way different from ours.

the tongue is in a different position

The Chinese l sound is very close to the English sound, but the r is retroflected, meaning you curl your tongue against your palate to say it.

So it sounds a lot like an l to Englishers.

well it aint a r then

shouldn't call it one

2:09 AM

The Spanish r is closer to the Japanese one.

A tongue tap.

It's an r. You'd understand if you said it.

I mean, it's exactly like how you'd say an r, except for the curled tongue.

what's 宣教師

i think we had a school teacher who pronounced it that way but she wasnt Japanese

Was she some kind of missionary?

you took a while to look that up :-)

Xuanjiaoshi? Google Translate says "preachers". I don't know xuan, but jiaoshi is a mix of syllables for professor and teacher.

2:13 AM

google translate's "missionary"

@Jez I'm only paying half attention to this conversation. Playing The Wolf Among Us on my other screen.

@Jez Funny. Told me "preachers".

same thing

That's Snow.

Funny abut the jiaoshi though. Usually it's jiaoshou (professor) or laoshi (teacher). I've never seen them mixed before.

2:23 AM

going to bed now, night

Night!

Me too. Lators.

Night!

Evening, @Thomas. Campaigning?

2:41 AM

@KitFox Indeed, for Ask Ubuntu mod.

Is this your first bid?

OMG, you're a crazy fan of The Doctor and a Brony. I would totally vote for you.

I'm pretty sure I have no reps on Ask Ubuntu though.

@KitFox I did run but withdrew a couple years ago

a couple years more, I think i'm a more serious contender now.

but meh

had reasons for withdrawing

You know the community much better now, probably.

mhm

Well, I was just on my way to bed. Were you just passing through or did you need a hand with something?

2:45 AM

@KitFox This is on my favorites list, i like lurking :)

I actually focused here after you pinged me, though

I thought I'd seen you before.

yeah, i lurk in places

Hat Dash dragged you in?

:)

i forget what brought me here the first time :P

i know your bot being weird brought me in twice before

I am pretty sure I was begging in your regular chat. Also, breaking things accidentally.

2:46 AM

hehehe

I flail like that.

Maybe it was Johan? He gets around to the serious rooms most.

Dunno

i think it was me needing clarification on the english language that dragged me here

back when someone was being disruptive on AU meta and I needed to basically explain English to them

Oh yes. That actually sounds vaguely familiar.

mhm

That would have been a couple months back.

2:48 AM

right, probably december-ish

this room is fun to watch though

Geez, I wasn't half near as charming before the hat dash.

heheh

And about twice that since then.

shrugs

Right. Well, I'm off.

Good night.

2:49 AM

good night to you!

7 hours later…

Matt Эллен

9:50 AM

Eventuate? How did that get into a dictionary?

By bribuating the editor.

Matt Эллен

Bribuation: it's a curse on modern society

Editating that causulates such insertation of wordulations like eventuate, beënates distressation.

10:14 AM

Looks like I'm on my way to rep-cap for a third day in a row.

I can't remember the last time that happened.

If it indeed ever happened at all.

So I guess my job here is done and I'll go watch moar Sochi.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt congrats

11:16 AM

@RegDwigнt Just don't be gay while you do it. Otherwise there could be consequences.

@RegDwigнt How far are you from Legendary?

11:32 AM

In case you don't know an easy way to do that, go to your plain white reputation page, http://english.stackexchange.com/reputation and open the console. Then paste into the console the following JavaScript:

function getRepCaps() {
    var re, docText = document.body.innerHTML;

    re = new RegExp("^((?!\\+).)*$","gim");
    docText = docText.replace(re,'');

    re = new RegExp("^[\r\n]+","gim");
    docText = docText.replace(re,'\n');

    re = new RegExp("^-[^\\+]+\\+","gim");
    docText = docText.replace(re, '');

    var ary = docText.split('\n');
    var total = 0;
    var ary2 = [];
    for (var i=0, imax=ary.length; i<imax; i++) {
        var n = ary[i].split(' ')[0];
        if (n && n != '') {

12:18 PM

@Robusto OVER 9000. I dunno. I'd have to check myself.

days represented 1265
rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes *only* on 51 days
earned at least 200 reputation on 60 days

So yeah. That is OVER 9000.

Legendary is what, 200? 120?

150.

So not even halfway there.

After 3+ years.

Hey, an answer for tchrist!

-4

A: One word for "happily surprised"

ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ Can you find the error?

12:41 PM

@RegDwigнt So: epic but not legendary.

12:51 PM

@MattЭллен Happy birthday yesterday!

Matt Эллен

Thanks, @Jasper

Hi.

@Robusto Crap, made an error in porting this IDE macro to browser: replace docText = ary2.join('\n'); (penultimate statement in the function) to docText = ary2.join('<br>'); That will show the repcap days in a vertical column instead of a single wrapped line.

I thought that looked odd.

Yeesh.

And you don't distinguish the days that aren't true rep caps.

@KitFox Distinguish them how? With dates?

1:04 PM

17 days of 815

@Robusto You can get 200 without actually rep capping.

Matt Эллен

Hi.

Hi

Also, it's at the bottom of the page, so you don't need to figure it.

> rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes *only* on 18 days
earned at least 200 reputation on 17 days

That don't make no sense to me though

8

Q: Why the discrepancy in "earned" vs. "actual" days counted in rep cap?

I got my Epic badge (50 days at or over rep cap) on EL&U.SE when my reputation page showed only 43 days (not a precise number, I don't recall exactly but it was around that). In other words, the last line of the page showed: earned at least 200 reputation on 43 days In fact, in order to get...

discussion support status-completed reputation

Matt Эллен

rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes *only* on 13 days
earned at least 200 reputation on 12 days

weird

Oh I see. So I was misled.

Also, I am beating @Matt.

Matt Эллен

1:08 PM

yep

I'm beating you on Arqade though :Þ

Do you like it? Does it feel good? Did we pick a safeword first?

Matt Эллен

It feels like a good beating

I did a test video last night, but I didn't like it.

Matt Эллен

What's not to like?

I don't think the webcam is going to work. At least, not the sound part. The sound comes through all distorted.

Matt Эллен

1:11 PM

yeah, I find that with my crappy mic, too. I'm thinking of getting a better one, but I have to commit to making vids first

I'm thinking I might try using the webcam and the headset, but then I need a computer that has more than one USB input.

Matt Эллен

> a computer that has more than one USB input

Or I could try the webcam on ths computer, except that it is pointed right at me.

Matt Эллен

isn't that all of them?

@KitFox My function sorts the days so you can check out your max rep cap days.

1:12 PM

@MattЭллен No.

@Robusto Yes, thank you. Your function is clearly superior.

I liked it tremendously.

And tremulously.

And tasted it tenderly.

You are a true connoisseur.

Argh. Now people are going to talk to me and shit.

I hate when that happens.

Matt Эллен

doing both is highly inconsiderate

Yes. Hard to decide which part is worse, though.

1:14 PM

Now there's an issue about the valentines.

omg! Let's freak out! My three-year-old's valentines have no way of sticking the little tattoo thingy to the card!

Matt Эллен

OMG!

Fine. Don't give them the little tattoo thingy. Or, just put the card and the tattoo in the bag of valentines separately.

But!

NO BUTS. I DON'T CARE! NEITHER DOES HE!

Now go away and stop talking to me!

Matt Эллен

BUT

IT'S NOT AN ISSUE!

Matt Эллен

TATTOO

1:16 PM

I am extremely cross this morning.

Matt Эллен

I am feeling slightly under the weather

When she came over to help with breakfast, I found myself gnashing my teeth.

I just don't want people talking to me this morning.

Matt Эллен

OK

@MattЭллен I'm sorry you don't feel well. Too much papier maché?

Matt Эллен

I don't know. possibly having to be near people on Tuesday

some of them were probably ill

1:18 PM

Typing and reading is fine. Just something about actual listening to words is bugging me.

@MattЭллен Oh gods. There was hugging and handshaking?

Matt Эллен

yes

ick

Matt Эллен

yeah

@KitFox maybe you're coming down with a cold? I find that coming down with something makes me irritable

Maybe. I'm unreasonably tired and I just noticed that I have a headache that seems to be coming from my ears.

Probably stress. Keeping too many balls in the air.

So valentines aren't really a priority for me.

Matt Эллен

yeah. they shouldn't be a priority for anyone

1:21 PM

The little one is happy. That's the only thing that matters.

re valentines anyway.

Matt Эллен

of course, it's different here. valentines are not usually a thing children do. more a teenager and up thing

It doesn't help that it bothers me that they are teaching little kids about v-day.

Matt Эллен

it's a Hallmark conspiracy!

"Isn't innocent sexual behavior cute?" "Um, kind of creepy and pedophilic, actually."

Not to mention confusingly incestuous, given that they are giving handmade valentines to Mommy and Daddy.

Matt Эллен

!! wiki st valentine

1:24 PM

Saint Valentine

Saint Valentine (in Latin, Valentinus) is a widely recognized third-century Roman saint commemorated on February 14 and associated since the High Middle Ages with a tradition of courtly love. Nothing is reliably known of St. Valentine except his name and the fact that he died on February 14 on Via Flaminia in the north of Rome. It is uncertain whether St. Valentine is to be identified as one saint or two saints of the same name. Several differing martyrologies have been added to later hagiographies that are unreliable. For these reasons this liturgical commemoration was not kept in the...

@Robusto yes, that's pretty much exactly when I gave up, after getting Epic.

Matt Эллен

!!youtube faith no more epic

@KitSox Aren't you jumping the gun a little? It's only Feb 13.

@KitFox would you prefer it if people talked to you and shit separately?

1:28 PM

@RegDwigнt Yes.

Hm.

But people like saving time.

@MattЭллен I haven't listened to that in ages. Thx.

Faith No More I Love Yous.

Matt Эллен

no probs :) I went on a FNM binge the other day

OMG, I don't remember the video. SOOOOO CHEEESYYYYY!

Matt Эллен

1:30 PM

:D

That song is totally like Clawfinger.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox yeah

Aug 18 '12 at 22:45, by RegDwight АΑA

Oh yeah, that guy in the thumbnail reminds me of a guy I used to have a huge crush on.

Right. Foxes are into goatees. Makes sense.

1:32 PM

Can't help it.

I wanted to get my hair done today, but my stylist won't text me back. scowls

I've tried to get ahold of her for three days!

Have you considered tipping?

Speaking of goatees...

covers chin, looks evasive

@Robusto I thought you didn't tip the owner of a place.

In Germany in such cases you'd offer a couple bucks für die Kaffeekasse.

You don't tip the owner as such, you tip the place in general.

Hmm. Maybe that's why she never gets back to me.

She favors my husband.

He probably tips.

Well, you favor your husband, too.

Does he tip you?

1:37 PM

He's quite attractive.

He doesn't tip me, but he does provide generous complimentary services.

What am I even doing here, Sochi is on.

Lators.

Bai!

My kids are adorable.

I'm thinking shower and maybe breakfast. I could possibly find my stylist there.

@KitFox What, you think she might be in Germany?

No, because I don't tip. I didn't know! So I guess I'm one of those people.

Matt Эллен

you should move to the UK. We're all one of those people

1:43 PM

True. Europeans have different expectations.

Haha, I kind of like "the eUK"! Maybe the eeeeeuuuuuuuuUK even.

Hahaha.

Matt Эллен

:D

I mean, I don't follow baseball. I don't get it.

I mean. Damn it.

Matt Эллен

I don't get it. I thought it was something to do with the EU and the UK

1:48 PM

Yes, and also Yooouuuuuk!. I mean, maybe. That's just what I heard when I read it.

Matt Эллен

ah!

Great player. One of the best.

If you're into that kind of thing. Which you aren't.

Matt Эллен

True

I'd happily watch a M:tG tournament, but not baseball.

I didn't realize he'd gone back to Japan.

Anyway, sorry, distracted. What was I doing?

Matt Эллен

They do love baseball

@KitFox bribing the stylist with a shower?

1:52 PM

Oh right. Getting clean to see if that would help my mood.

brb

Matt Эллен

CU

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