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12:00 AM
> Jesse's plan was low-percentage, I thought. But didn't you get the impression at the end of the previous episode that he was certain it would work? The plan has too many variables.
 
Well, I take issue with that.
 
Now. About that last remark. This wasn't actually the first time such a plan has been put forth. Look no further than the Season 4 finale. Which was preposterous, absurd, completely over the top. But that's the thing. It still worked.
Boy did it work.
 
Remember, Jesse is the one who comes up with the raw ideas. Others are left implement them. Jesse dreamed up magnets and Walt put it to work. Jesse thought trains and Walt did the math. Now he thinks about hitting Walt in the money, and Hank fucks up that plan.
 
That is a good point.
Though while we're at it, the magnet was subparly executed as well.
It had no effect on its own batteries lying right next to it, yet dragged on stuff twenty feet away. Right.
 
It was executed well enough. And it was a deft enough touch that they didn't get away with the van. They just left it stuck on the building.
Hey, remember, this is all still way more plausible than most TV fridge moments.
 
12:04 AM
Yeah. I think the bigger point I am making is I'm not sure yet what to think of season five.
So much of it seems so unbreakingbadly.
 
The quality of Season 5 all depends on how well this show finishes.
 
The train job was testing my patience as well.
@Robusto exactly.
Which is why I still have some hopes left for the current cliffhanger.
 
If we have a satisfying conclusion, Season 5 was the tide going out before the tsunami. If there's no tsunami to follow, it's just tide going out.
But I like what the guy said about Todd's creepy come-on to Lydia. Still, is he only now wondering if there's something odd about Todd?
 
BTW speaking of cliffhangers, I must say for me personally the strongest moment of the last episode was when I realized, or was spoonfed, that it was indeed Jesse Walt was going after.
 
Duh.
 
12:08 AM
What I mean by that is they will often have those enormous cliffhangers that they subsequently resolve to a gust of air.
 
But here's the thing. Walt doesn't really want his family killed. Hank is family, and so is Jesse. Some part of him still loves Jesse. And some part of Jesse still loves Walter. Otherwise, he couldn't hate him so much.
 
@Robusto sorry but it is the show's own fault. I totally expected the call to turn out to be about something else entirely.
It was a shocker that it wasn't.
They pulled this trick way too often, with tons of shit about to hit a giant fan at the end of an episode, only for you to find out in the next episode that the shit was Nutella and the fan never existed.
 
@RegDwighт That can't happen this time. There is no gust of air. Hank is dead meat. What we had was not Nameless Henchmen Syndrome but Delayed Resolution. The bullets are going to find Hank and Gomez. But somehow Walter is going to manage to save Jesse. That's what I think will happen. And I'm fine with that.
@RegDwighт OK, name another instance. I think you're exaggerating.
 
Well when Mike drives Jesse off to the desert. And Walt rushes to help, making the call to Skyler, as if it's the last call of his life.
 
Anyway, I think we can't judge yet. Be worried all you want, but maintain some trust. They can't go all Lost on us. Not at this point.
 
12:13 AM
I don't think I'm exaggerating on this one account, what with me rewatching season one through four right now, and paying attention to just such things.
 
@RegDwighт I didn't think that was a blown climax.
 
I don't really mean to say it was blown. More like resolved, and more to the point, very quickly.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Would you like a modular phone?
 
Well, you could be right. But a show that's been so good for so long deserves a little slack at this point.
 
Again, my point here is merely that I was totally expecting Walt to be entertaining some new plan, and making the call for an entirely different reason than killing Jesse.
And I'm not even labeling that a bad thing, in case I'm not explaining well.
Otherwise this shocker wouldn't have been a shocker.
They've been messing with me.
And who knows, might very well have been on purpose.
 
12:16 AM
Yeah. I'm pretty sure this was the first time in the whole series that I didn't feel confident. First time it triggered my crap detector.
But I totally buy the burning a barrel of money thing, and that that would get Walt running red lights and blubbering into the phone.
 
Seconded.
But then again,
> I would have believed Walt loosing his cool over a direct threat to his family or his rep sooner than over his mad stacks.
Well. Whatever. No changing what happened.
 
What family? He's alienated and deceived and betrayed them so readily, all he really believes in now is this one grand gesture with the money. His redemption.
 
Yeah and I must say I still don't get whether the cancer is back now or not or what.
 
I was just saying the same thing to my son.
It's almost too pat. Too neat.
 
He's like The Joker. Telling everyone a different story about his scars.
 
12:21 AM
If there's a person in Walt's life who doesn't take him for a complete liar by this time, I can't imagine who it would be. Even Junior knows he's lying, he just doesn't know what about.
 
The Junior probably wonders if all the breakfasts were really suppers all this time.
 
BTW, Junior's supposed to be 16 but lately he looks like he's pushing 30.
 
Oh yeah.
I was thinking the same thing.
 
Still, RJ Mitte does what he can to project innocence, or naivete.
 
Make no mistake, I always thought the breakfast meme was being exaggerated out of all proportion. Until pretty much today, where we were watching season 4 episode three through seven, and he literally had breakfast in every single episode, sometimes twice.
 
12:25 AM
It's the most important meal of the day.
 
Holy smokes, I want to live in that country. Too bad nobody ever did or will.
 
i no rite
I lived through that country, but I never lived in it.
 
Well. That shall be my goodnight tale for today.
Half past two here.
Will report back tomorrow.
 
CU
 
Oh, and one more thing. Wife found the Fly episode hilarious. I mean, it was, but she found it more hilarious still. The first half she was laughing pretty much non-stop. Actually she is much quicker to laugh in other places, too.
Which is a good thing I guess. I was rather fearing she'd find it too grim.
So yeah. CU.-
Night all!
 
12:38 AM
Not sure if serious:
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RobertWhat is the earliest usage of the phrase "a healthy pee" or "a healthy piss"? The letter "P", or its spelled form, "pee", used euphemistically for "piss" (because "piss" begins with that letter -- as, similarly, in modern times, sometimes we hear one say "Go F yourself"), seems to be poorly date...

 
Haha.
Probably serious?
> Panopticlick - How unique and trackable is your browser? panopticlick.eff.org/index.php?action=log&js=yes
Does your score change if you refresh this page?
Mine changes every time.
 
The unique bits of information? No.
Firefox.
 
Hmm.
18.88, 19.1, 19.36
That's three refreshes.
 
21.69, 21.69, 21.69.
 
How odd!
I made sure I don't broadcast what fonts I have installed. It's easy to do. Would you like to? It happens through Flash:
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Q: How to disable permission to read 'System Fonts' and 'Browser Plugin Details' in Chrome and Firefox

eaubinGoing to http://panopticlick.eff.org/ I can see that that Firefox and Chrome expose more about 'System Fonts' and 'Browser Plugin Details' than I prefer. How can the permission of a web page to access these settings be disabled in Firefox and Chrome?

 
12:51 AM
That's something I'm supposed to be worried about? ಠ_๏
Oh dear.
 
It means you can be tracked by anyone across the Internet, like a supercookie thingy...
 
1:22 AM
@Cerberus doesn't your browser's list of plugins give you away? My browsers always appear unique
 
> Browser Plugin Details - 17.36 bits - 168698.8
So, yes, fonts and browser plugins are apparently the two big culprits. The rest is low bits for me.
 
@Cerberus A modular phone would be neat, but I wonder how practical it would be. I like the fact that phones are as small as they can be, due to custom engineering that fits as much as possible into as little space.
 
lol
This photo is somehow funny if you've ever seen the Erlang promotional video
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, that is a concern.
Although I wonder how custom our phones really are any more?
 
@JasonMarsh technically that's a drawing, not a photo
@Cerberus pretty custom. At least from what I've seen of their insides.
 
1:25 AM
But only technically.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Still I'm thinking many parts are already standardised qua size.
 
@Cerberus I'm sure you could probably design a modular phone. But you'd have to come up with standard sizes for components. And standard interconnections. And those interconnections would need to be modular instead of hard-wired, so they'd take up more room.
 
Like the memory.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm thinking partly modular, like a PC.
 
Well, the memory is standard chips... except when it isn't, when it's integrated onto the SOC which is different for every device.
 
1:27 AM
Storage?
 
@Cerberus yeah. But look at what's possible in terms of laptop size
 
Wifi module?
Camera?
 
and then look at PC sizes
 
I don't think laptops do their best to be modular?
It is not in their interest, sadly.
 
@Cerberus exactly
Laptops are not modular, except with regards to replacement parts within one model, because they do their best to be small
 
1:28 AM
But they could be far more modular without gaining to much size.
 
I doubt it
a typical laptop is CRAMMED. literally filled solid, except for the gaps for airflow.
 
Have you read some of those teardowns of laptops?
 
whereas a typical PC has LOTS of empty space
I used to repair laptops
and PCs and servers
modularity adds a lot to the physical size of stuff
 
They often glue and solder stuff together. That often saves only marginal space.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It depends on the part, I would say?
 
If you have a part that's meant to be user-replaceable, you need a connector
that connector needs space
especially if there are potentially other things that might be attached there
 
1:30 AM
But not that much space, if you do your best.
 
I dunno. PC vendors have made very little progress on this front in decades.
 
I'm not saying 100 % modularity for every single component and for the outside shape of the device is the perfect balance.
 
Plus on cell phones many many components are integrated into the SoC
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Because they have no interest in doing so: if you break a part, you have to replace it, and they cash in. It is a classic economic mechanism.
Things like the USB connector are easy to replace.
 
@Cerberus I don't think so. The PC market is very modular. Lots and lots of modular stuff. But miniaturization of PCs stalled at Micro-ATX size. Except for custom-made ones like notebooks.
Furthermore it's difficult to establish standards for modularization
 
1:33 AM
Look, what's holding phones back seems to be the gluing and soldering. I've repaired my phone once, took it apart into like 50 different parts.
 
USB is easy because it's external
 
It's not external.
 
No, I mean USB devices are external. How they physically fit together doesn't affect the size of the computer
So you can determine a standard, with a few sets of connectors and it's done
 
Replacing the screen of my previous phone was relatively easy, that is: it was the very last part to pop out, but it wasn't glued or soldered.
 
but video cards have had only a handful of connector types over the years and haven't really shrunk in size
 
1:34 AM
Just dump Flash and Java. You'll be fine.
 
@Cerberus yes but so what? You have to replace it with the exact same screen. There isn't some standard screen you can use.
@Robusto No, it's all the other plugins
 
@Robusto Nah, just block Flash from broadcasting your fonts.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, that is true.
 
Who needs Flash? I don't.
 
Modularization is more than just taking stuff apart.
 
@Robusto I do.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 True.
 
1:35 AM
It is also allowing for end users to replace parts with other parts
There is customer demand for things like notebook video cards.
Why isn't that a huge market?
Because it's too hard to make small notebooks with easily replaceable video cards
it costs too little to just replace the whole notebook
 
I'm just trying to explore how far we could realistically go with modularity in phones. I think some progress can be made.
 
I'm not even sure how much modularity we need in PCs anymore
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What do you think about the economic incentive for manufacturers and basically the entire supply chain to make things *non-*modular?
 
@Cerberus well, it reduces costs when you make things non-modular.
It doesn't necessarily reduce warranty costs; you might have to replace an entire device under warranty even though only a tiny component is busted
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How do you mean? When next I upgrade my PC, I will save money by keeping my case, CD player, PSU...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm talking about the inter incentive, the one I mentioned above.
Apple doesn't want you to be able to add more memory on your own.
 
1:40 AM
@Cerberus When I upgrade my PC I will upgrade my PSU to a quieter one, upgrade my optical drive to a BD-writer, and probably upgrade my case so that my old PC can still be used in a new role, or sold. I will save money by keeping my screen and keyboard and mouse.
 
They want you to consider the entire laptop "broken" if you have not enough memory for your needs and just buy a new one.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, you can of course choose to do so. But many people can save money that way.
 
@Cerberus Enh. That happens sometimes. Most devices feature upgradeable storage and ram. I guess you could argue that one for phones. Though even on phones, the storage might be literally integrated into some other component and thus not easily replaceable.
 
Had I decided to upgrade my CPU earlier, or my video card, I could have saved even more money.
 
@Cerberus But the kind of computer I buy costs like $1500. Whereas people who want to save money can buy a $400 notebook or $400 desktop.
@Cerberus saved money... by upgrading your CPU and keeping your mobo? But you spent money to realize that savings. You actually saved money by NOT upgrading.
 
I think I've laid out all my arguments.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That is beside the point.
Because the same can be said a fortiori about buying an entirely new computer.
 
1:44 AM
Yes. But in my experience, going back to 1995 when I started selling and repairing computers, the consequences of modularization are: 1. far easier repair; 2. better customization at purchase time; 3. incremental upgrades (rarely), whereas the consequences of integration are 1) vastly lower price, 2) vastly smaller size, 3) sometimes you have to replace the whole thing "prematurely"
 
In smartphones, I think things like flash memory and RAM would be prime candidates for modularity. Camera and Wifi module, possibly.
 
But even with a modular machine, you often have to replace things prematurely, if you can't find old/used parts
@Cerberus The wi-fi is almost certainly integrated into the same package as the CPU.
 
But perhaps it needsn't be.
 
And cameras could be modular, to some degree.
 
1:46 AM
@Cerberus Well..... I suspect you'll see software-defined radio before you see modular wifi
 
A general-purpose radio unit, then.
 
@Cerberus yes, eventually phones will have general-purpose radios that will be much much more capable and repurposable than current radios. They will moot the entire notion of specific radios for different kinds of GSM or CDMA or WiFi.
*assuming the regulators don't block software-defined-radio
 
Yes.
So storage is already modular. It works well, it's quite compact.
 
@Cerberus But new computers are great. Just like new cars.
 
We have talked about this before.
 
1:48 AM
The problem with replaceable cameras is the size. Cameras vary widely in size and the physical size has a lot to do with the way it works, due to optics.
 
@Robusto And an upgrade is not? I would hate having to reinstall everything on a new computer...
 
Storage upgrades are one thing that you could see happening. I guess the vendors do use that as price differentiation.
 
@Cerberus But upgrades don't do anything to combat PC rot.
 
@Cerberus I always reinstall everything from scratch on a new PC when I get one. For one thing, I have new storage that needs to be re-initialized. For another thing, I like purging old stuff I don't need anymore.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The point is not that every single unit has to be the same size as every other unit. There can be groups, different standards. Modularity has to be gradual.
@Robusto Quoi?
 
1:50 AM
In Windows, after a while your registry gets so bloated the whole thing just slows down. New PC, new Windows, new registry.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 We already have it: card readers. They're even modular with access from outside the case.
 
@Cerberus Perhaps. I guess it could be possible. Right now cameras are a source of differentiation between phones; look at the Nokia phone and the new iPhone.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, I hate spending time on reinstalling stuff. It is unpleasant work.
 
@Cerberus ... well... card readers dont' expand the storage the same way expanding the internal storage does.
And they suffer from the problem that users expect to be able to remove the cards.
 
@Robusto Nah, I just flash a clone once in a while. You don't need a new PC for that. You don't even need to reinstall Windows for that, nor your favourite programs + config.
 
1:52 AM
@Cerberus It can be unpleasant if it's unplanned. But I like setting up a new computer. It's fun. And anyway most of the stuff I need installed I just install as I go.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Sure. The image I posted was only an artist's dream!
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They still expand it. It's modular and it works.
 
@Cerberus The thing is, in mobile most of the innovation is in new hardware that's part of the SoC. It isn't modular at the user level. It's modular at the hardware-designer-level.
@Cerberus No, it doesn't "work" the same as just adding more internal flash to the existing storage. It does something different.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I hope you're not the kind of person that likes buying a new house so that he can decorate it afresh!
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then you don't make parts of the SoC modular. You take on what you can.
 
@Cerberus Why not? When you buy a new house, do you just wallpaper the house with the same stuff you had before?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Still, it is modular and it works. It is an excellent example of modularity.
 
1:55 AM
@Cerberus Consider the Nexus 4. It has 8GB or 16GB storage.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Notice "so that".
 
Let's assume it had an SD slot.
 
assumes
 
Adding an 8GB SD card to the SD slot of an 8GB n4 would not at all achieve the same effect as buying the 16GB n4 in the first place.
The storage would be partitioned into two pools in the SD case.
Apps don't automatically install to the SD pool.
Music doesn't necessarily automatically download to the SD pool.
And the OS needs to be able to keep functioning in the case where the SD card is removed
 
So what?
 
1:57 AM
Whereas if you had a different kind of storage modularity, the expectations and use-cases would be different
 
I'd gladly get another 64 GB on my Galaxy Nexus that I could put all my photos, videos, and back-ups on.
 
@Cerberus we've discussed this before. Yes it's useful. No it isn't at all the same as having that storage to begin with. Users get confused. You are not a typical user. And even the non-confused users will run into issues where they run out of space on one partition and not another and get really annoyed.
 
Whatever. It's modular and it works.
 
This is why many phones don't bother with SD cards now. They just assume they ship with enough storage and that's that.
@Cerberus whatever. It's modular and it supports a subset of the use-cases.
 
And yet they ship with 8 GB.
 
1:59 AM
@Cerberus Not every vendor gets it right.
 
It is a good example of how parts of a phone can be made modular. Batteries are another.
 
@Cerberus actually it's NOT a good example of how parts can be made modular. Because by making storage modular in that way the expanded storage is a second-class citizen in the OS's storage model.
The battery is a good example though.
 
Even if a battery only works for one type of phone, that is a huge improvement with respect to repairability and increasing your mAh at the cost of bulk and weight, if you want that.
 
yeah it'd be nice if phone vendors could standardize on a few certain sizes.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It is a great example. Whatever it is, it's modular and it works. That is enough.
 
2:01 AM
I expect that will happen eventually.
 
You keep striving for 100 % complete modularity, where all parts can be exchanged between all phones. I realise that this is for many parts not practical.
 
@Cerberus You keep saying "it works" despite me pointing out that it doesn't actually work as well as the internal storage. IT simply isn't as versatile. In fact they are two different use-cases.
Consider having a larger hard disk on your PC vs adding an SD-card reader to your PC.
 
But there's also being able to pick a different part for a single type of phone, and there is also being able to repair a part of your phone by easily replacing it yourself.
 
Sure, you can expand your PC's storage with an SD card. But it is not at all a good replacement for upgrading the HDD
 
Those are the three grades of modularity I envision.
 
2:02 AM
@Cerberus well, lots of phones are repairable if not "modular"
The internal storage of the phone is the computer's HDD. The SD card is the computer's floppy drive.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't care whether it is the same as internal storage. It is an example of a modular part of a phone. You cannot refute that.
 
@Cerberus Actually I am refuting that.
You just refuse to admit it.
The SD card does not expand the phone's OS storage partition. That is a major distinction. A huge limitation.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not easily and by most people.
 
There have been dozens of android phones that got stuck at a particular version of Android because the next version of Android needed more OS space.
How does "add an SD card" help that scenario? It doesn't.
I mean, yes, I want phones that are more future-proof and repairable (if the drawbacks aren't too severe).
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why should I care whether it expands a partition? It does not matter what the thing does. All that matters for me is that it is a modular part of a phone. It can be easily replaced and you use it in your phone, that is modularity to me. All else is irrelevant.
 
2:05 AM
But don't try to sell me faux modularity as the real thing! dream bigger!
@Cerberus In that case it is modularity in one way, but not in another way. You still don't have modular storage for the OS or the apps. Why settle for less?
 
Who says I'm settling?
 
As well claim that network-attached-storage is a modular addition to your phone.
 
I'm just naming a part of a phone that is modular and actually used.
 
@Cerberus It just seems like you are saying "we have modular storage" when in fact we have only 50% of what it would take to have true modular storage. We don't have it.
 
I am not saying we have modular "storage"; I am saying we have modular external storage.
Hence the name.
 
2:08 AM
great. We have modular earphones too. yay!
so what.
 
Those are not located inside the phone.
 
part of them are
They are electrically part of the phone
And, in fact, there are competing standards for how they should connect
 
But, yes, phone earphones that are attached to a device with glue are less modular, to be sure. It's really very simple.
 
anyway, I have to get going
 
Dream of modularity.
 
2:09 AM
I hope I don't.
 
You know it's best for you.
 
Last night I dreamt that I was going back to work at my old workplace. Then I dreamt that I was an alien visiting a world that had place names exactly like this one, and was peopled by people exactly like us, only I was under orders to kill them if I was discovered, which I was, so I did.
First I shot some of them with my ship's gun, then I rotated the ship so that the wing would cut the rest down. Strangely, they just stood there and accepted their demise.
 
Oh no, Mr Shiny has discovered his true nature! Run!
It always comes in a dream, doesn't it?
 
Hey, interplanetary warfare's a bitch.
Later on I dreamt that I was on a train and my daughter's friends were smoking a cigarette.
 
Oh no!
 
2:11 AM
I took it from them and inside it was spinach.
 
They probably will, you know.
Spinach...you have a sick mind.
 
maybe, maybe not. smoking's not so common here.
yeah. soggy, wet spinach. dunno how it burned. Tasted terrible.
but I'm off!
 
I bet trying out cigarettes is.
 
Bai!
 
2:24 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 "I think they call that being in the army." --Boyfriend
G'night!
 
3:23 AM
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Q: I don't get this sentence

Pam Burgeoning memories blaze through the craters of vacuum filled voids. Burning on fires that should never have existed. You must not lament in conversation with your savior over the trifles of an average boy. Save such talents for enriching the lives of those around you.. you throw no low blows ...

NARQ NARQ NARQ
 
This is very interesting: a glimpse of how the NSA has been sabotaging encryption standards for years.
 
Yeah.
 
> Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"
>
> John Gilmore Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:49:35 -0700
>
> Speaking as someone who followed the IPSEC IETF standards committee
> pretty closely, while leading a group that tried to implement it and
> make so usable that it would be used by default throughout the
> Internet, I noticed some things:
>
>
> * NSA employees participted throughout, and occupied leadership roles
> in the committee and among the editors of the documents
 
Ah, John.
 
You know him?
 
3:33 AM
Certainly.
 
He seems cool?
 
He is.
He served two terms on the USENIX Board of Directors — as did I.
 
Haha, he looks like fun.
What's that?
> "Andrew Stone, who worked with Jobs for nearly 25 years, told the site Cult of Mac last week that Steve Jobs resisted letting Apple be part of PRISM, a surveillance program that gives the NSA access to records of major Internet companies. [...] “Steve Jobs would’ve rather died than give into that," Stone told the site."
 
The USENIX Association is the Advanced Computing Systems Association. It was founded in 1975 under the name "Unix Users Group," focusing primarily on the study and development of Unix and similar systems. In June 1977, a lawyer from AT&T Corporation informed the group that they could not use the word UNIX as it was a trademark of Western Electric (the manufacturing arm of AT&T until 1995), which led to the change of name to USENIX. USENIX was started as a technical organization. As commercial interest grew, a number of separate groups started in parallel, most notably STUG, the Software ...
 
If it's true, I guess Jobs had a good side...
@tchrist I'm not sure I understand what it does, but it sounds cool.
Organise research and conferences related to Unix?
 
3:39 AM
Yes.
Etc.
Not just Unix.
General OS stuff, language stuff, security stuff, sysadmin stuff, etc.
 
OK.
Hypothetically, if he were an NSA spy, would you know it?
 
Basically, übergeekery of a high calibre.
John?
Of course John is a spy.
Just not for the NSA.
For the EFF. :)
 
Heh.
Seriously, it would be of tremendous value for the NSA to have a couple of privacy advocates in their pocketses.
 
Shills?
 
So the community might benefit from contemplating this and trying to weed them out.
Yes.
 
3:44 AM
Hm
I imagine they have quite a lot of people in their pockets.
 
If Scheier says something is OK, many will believe him. If Gilmore says Schneier is trustworthy, they vouch for each other, they are a formidable bulwark of trust and authority together, I'm sure.
 
Of course Bruce and John would say each other is ok.
 
So if you get in a couple of people...
 
Bruce used to come to USENIX a good deal.
 
The chains of trust may have to be verified.
Gilmore mentions he suspected some non-NSA people to be shills.
 
3:47 AM
Yeah.
 
It is comparatively easy to infiltrate an organisation that works under your jurisdiction.
 
I'm really sorry, but I have to go to bed. I’m going to spontaneously collapse any moment.
 
OK good night.
 
I just can’t stay up this late.
Sorry, and good night.
 
Bai.
 
3:53 AM
Good evening.
I've been cooking.
 
Guys, can you tell if the deodorant is for old people or young people? I heard some of them smell cheesy (existed since 1900s)
but for me, none of them smell cheesy at all
 
Deodorant? As in sticks thereof?
 
Yeah, I think so
I dont want to smell like Grandpas without realising it
 
I use deodorant. I am sixteen. I think everyone uses it.
It doesn't smell like old people, it just smells… clean.
Unless you get obnoxiously scented stuff.
Then you would smell like a prepubescent boy.
 
4:33 AM
i kinda like that smell
 
 
4 hours later…
8:18 AM
I wonder how Tim Cook and Steve jobs got confidence on describing iOS or iPhone as the most advanced, extraordinary and awesome software and hardware in the world.
 
8:40 AM
I wonder why you assume they had to get the confidence.
 
Don't you think Apple products are awesome (and over priced) because Tim Cook and Steve Jobs said they are awesome?
 
Why would I need Tim Cook and Steve Jobs to lie to me? I can lie to myself alright.
 
I'm not saying they are lying, ofcourse Apple products are awesome. But most programmers buy Mac and ends up installing Windows on it
 
I don't think most programmers buy Mac.
 
Oh hell they do
And install windows
 
8:46 AM
I have 35 programmers right here. Only two have Macs. Exactly zero have Macs with Windows.
 
k... ;)
 
We also easily have a dozen of programmers in this chat room. Only one of them has a Mac. Again, you may guess if he runs Windows on it. You have three guesses. Hint: he is not.
Anyway. I see your point. I am just trying to quantify it more carefully. (^_^)
And we should be pinging @Cerberus when discussing Macs.
 
Yeah, but I am no different than those Mac-window users because I am using an overpriced laptop too
 
I have a 300-bucks PC, and that is all. And I only have it because my wife needed a PC. Except she then bought a notebook and never uses the PC now.
 

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