English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

12:07 AM

@tchrist #Cantaloupe.

tchrist

By the pound?

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12:25 AM

Hello guys

I have a question. I figured that the topic "changes" in English grammar is one of my weakness. I cannot really figure out a great article explains on this topic, I assume searching for the keyword "change" was too broad. Could you please help me out to find some sources on this topic? Thanks

tchrist

2:34 AM

Man, and I thought European soccer fans were extreme: Brazilian mob decapitates soccer referee after he stabs player

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Shit

Brazil is scary

cool thing is the referee is only 20 years old

tchrist

3:04 AM

Make that “was” 20 years old.

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lol

@tchrist Excuseme, could you please answer my question above? I mean "changes" by examples like "dramatic increase", "sharp decline" or "weakening".

tchrist

I don’t know what you are asking.

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This is from a textbook that I am reading right now and there is a chapter dedicated for "changes" in English grammar. This is an example question from this chapter "Last year, 33% of the population worked in secondary industries and 48% worked in the tertiary
sector. This year, the figures are 27% and 53% respectively.
There has been a __________ of the gap between those working in different sectors of the
economy."

and I need to fill in this empty space with an appropriate word such as "dramatic increase", "sharp decline" or "weakening". I wish to figure out what is the technical term of this topic because I want to search it on Google =D...

tchrist

I don’t know.

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nvm

I hope someone else might answer =D.. Thanks anyways

tchrist

3:14 AM

You’re asking to characterize the change from 48 to 27 vs from 48 to 53?

That’s a strange question.

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yeah

Author of the textbook named it "changes" but I think this isn't really globally recognised terminology

XD...

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3:39 AM

►

Stop it!

japantoday.com/category/crime/view/…

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4:31 AM

yahooanswerswtf.tumblr.com/image/53878872854

Is there wifi in prison?

Noah

4:54 AM

hello

every one

No, there's not. Unless you were related to Mr.Obama.

In that case there would be wifi and hot chocolates with comfortable mattressses to sleep on

Noah

5:42 AM

@tchrist This one is really funny. I like the Erlang one too, but this is by far the best.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What about NTFS?

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9:19 AM

RegDwighт

12:29 PM

Alief (belief)

In philosophy and psychology, an alief is an automatic or habitual belief-like attitude, particularly one that is in tension with a person’s explicit beliefs. For example, a person standing on a transparent balcony may believe that they are safe, but alieve that they are in danger. A person watching a sad movie may believe that the characters are completely fictional, but their aliefs may lead them to cry nonetheless. A person who is hesitant to eat fudge that has been formed into the shape of feces, or who exhibits reluctance in drinking from a sterilized bedpan may believe that the subst...

Shaona Bose

@RegDwighт Can you please suggest me a good book on prepositions?

RegDwighт

Hm. Well. I can't even suggest you a bad book on prepositions.

Shaona Bose

Okay. I get it. am sorry. Every book is good; but I need a book where every preposition will be explained; as in, the usage of every prep

RegDwighт

Not possible. And pointless. You can't learn prepositions like that. You are wasting your time to achieve nothing.

That being said, I suppose CGEL will have many chapters on prepositions.

I'd be surprised if it didn't.

Shaona Bose

CGEL?

RegDwighт

12:34 PM

And CGEL is generally of very high quality, so it likely won't be BSing you on prepositions either.

Shaona Bose

Is it a book?

RegDwighт

The Cambrige Grammar of the English Language

Well, you asked for a book, so it's a book, yes.

Shaona Bose

okay

Thank you so much.

RegDwighт

No problem.

You can ask @Cerberus for details, as I think he owns one.

So he can probably tell you what information on prepositions is included and how detailed it is.

Shaona Bose

Okay. But I don't know this person. I mean, I didn't see the name Cerberus here yet. Of course I don;t know you also; but owing to your edits and frequency, I assumed you to be approachable.

RegDwighт

12:37 PM

Though again, personally I'd point out that this is a very cool book to read when you already have a high command of the language. But learning the language from such books is an insurmountable task.

Shaona Bose

Okay.

RegDwighт

@ShaonaBose he's probably asleep right now but you can see his icon in the list to the left, so he's in the room and you can ping him. I already did.

Shaona Bose

Okay. I am sorry, but I yet do not know how to ping here.

RegDwighт

Ah okay.

You do it by prefixing that person's name with an at.

Like this: @ShaonaBose

Shaona Bose

Okay

RegDwighт

12:39 PM

If you have sound on, you actually hear a ping.

Shaona Bose

@Cerberus

Okay

RegDwighт

Also, the message is then delivered to that person's inbox on the main site.

So he can come back later and still answer your question.

Shaona Bose

I see.

RegDwighт

Yeah. It's very practical. You can have a conversation without having to be in the room at the same time.

But now I must leave for a few minutes. I'm cooking!

Shaona Bose

You are male..if I aint wrong..

And you cook!

Cool!

David Wallace

12:46 PM

There, Reg gets to be approachable! That's cool too.

Cerberus is also male and cooks, @ShaonaBose.

Robusto

@ShaonaBose What's so unusual about men cooking? I do all the cooking at my house.

David Wallace

I do all the cooking at my house too!

Robusto

If you want something done right ...

David Wallace

Get it done by @RegDwight!

(Sorry, but it was the only rhyme I could think of at short notice)

RegDwighт

Actually most chefs are male. By a margin of OVER 9000.

Robusto

12:58 PM

My deal is, I prefer cooking to cleaning up. Also, I'm better at the former than the latter.

RegDwighт

I'm better at both. As in, my wife just won't do the cleaning up.

tchrist

@Reg You think your name is tough for English-speakers, try this one: National youth groups name Boulder environmental advocate Xiuhtezcatl Martinez, 13, a top 'changemaker'

RegDwighт

If you know the first thing about Nahuatl, that's pretty straightforward.

Robusto

@RegDwighт Mine will. We both prefer my cooking and her cleaning. Symbiosis.

tchrist

And if you don’t, it isn’t.

Most people don’t know the first thing about Nahuatl.

RegDwighт

1:00 PM

Same for Russian. Or English, for that matter.

tchrist

Those consonant pairs are rare to non-existent in English. Most Americans are monoglots with no education in anything else.

Like, what’s the gender of that person? :)

RegDwighт

The only problem I see is the H. The rest can be read in English. Even if the result is nonsense.

@tchrist my first name is Alex. What is my gender?

tchrist

Boy, you’re not Alix or Alyx or Alice.

RegDwighт

In the U to the S of A, too many names are shemale.

tchrist

Girls spell their names so funny.

RegDwighт

1:03 PM

It's the parents.

Of which at least one is typically male.

tchrist

He should know better.

RegDwighт

tchrist

Huh.

Um, ok.

Not sure how that stuff works.

It would be inconvenient to call both parents the same thing.

This is already a problem when step-parents are involved.

RegDwighт

They are a married couple. One is the biological father of the one child, the other the biological father of the other. Here's the kicker: both children are biological siblings.

And here's the real kicker: they specifically don't know who's whose father.

tchrist

Half-siblings, one presumes, but close enough: only the mother counted in ancient cultures, since you could only be sure of her.

That’s weird.

RegDwighт

1:07 PM

Yeah.

tchrist

That’s why one’s sister’s sons were special in some cultures. You knew for sure they were your kin.

@RegDwighт That must have taken some arranging!

RegDwighт

Whatever floats their boat.

tchrist

That a woman consented to bear and give away to children, well.

RegDwighт

tchrist

Who are they?

RegDwighт

1:08 PM

@tchrist you don't recognize Neil Patrick Harris?

He's probably most famous for his roles in How I Met Your Mother and Starship Troopers.

Neil Patrick Harris

Neil Patrick Harris (born June 15, 1973) is an American actor and comedian. He is best known for the title role in Doogie Howser, M.D., the womanizing Barney Stinson in How I Met Your Mother, a fictionalized version of himself in the Harold & Kumar series, and the title role in Joss Whedon's musical web series Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog. Harris was named as one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people in 2010, and was awarded a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in September 2011. Harris has also hosted the Tony Awards on Broadway in 2009, 2011, 2012, and 2013. Early life Har...

tchrist

I recognized him in the first picture, not in the others.

RegDwighт

Well. He's wearing costumes.

tchrist

I can’t match up the Peter Pan one.

RegDwighт

Neil is Hook.

tchrist

Is Peter his hubby?

RegDwighт

1:11 PM

I would think so.

tchrist

I have a language problem.

RegDwighт

> Following the passage of the Marriage Equality Act in New York on June 24, 2011, Harris and Burtka announced their engagement via Twitter,[31] stating that they had proposed to each other five years earlier but kept the engagement secret until same-sex marriage became legal.

tchrist

I can’t get out of my head the notion that husband=a woman’s spouse and that wife=a man’s spouse.

I know that people use it mean husband=a male spouse and wife=a female spouse

RegDwighт

@tchrist Well. That's because that is what these words mean.

tchrist

But I’m stuck.

And I hate it.

RegDwighт

1:12 PM

@tchrist that's only recently.

tchrist

I need to be reprogrammed or something.

I hate that I’m stuck, not that they use it that way,.

RegDwighт

Well it is confusing. Just imagine if people started using gay to mean "homosexual".

tchrist

It makes me sad because I feel dumb that I have the wrong associations.

And they are not subject to willful determination.

I don’t mean to be disrespectful or archaic, but I almost am those things completely against my own will.

RegDwighт

The language becomes completely hardwired by the age of 25 or some such. Good luck trying to tinker with it after that.

tchrist

Yeah.

You know, the only language I learned much of after 25 was Portuguese, and that one got to make use of pre-existing substrates in my brain.

RegDwighт

1:16 PM

You can learn it like you learn a phone number, but you can't learn it like riding a bicycle.

tchrist

People don’t even learn phone numbers anymore.

RegDwighт

Only adding to my point.

tchrist

If the computer is to the mind as the machine is to the muscle, is this constant-Internet connectivity via smart-phones thing some sort of prosthetic device for the memory?

@RegDwighт That used to half-bother me, like when I was 11 or 12 maybe.

I never found a word to replace it.

RegDwighт

@tchrist luckily they have since stopped doing that and gay means "stupid" now.

Progress.

They should have invested all that effort into making verbs and plurals proper. "My childs eated leafs."

But no, alas.

tchrist

Typical kid-talk.

Cerberus

1:21 PM

@Robusto I couldn't have said it any better.

tchrist

They regularize everything.

RegDwighт

Exactly. All it needs now is to catch on.

Cerberus

@ShaonaBose Alas, I don't have the CGEL.

RegDwighт

Who needs spaghetti if everyone can understand pasketti just as easily.

tchrist

You are a mole, damn it.

RegDwighт

1:22 PM

@Cerberus I thought you posted scans of some pages?

@tchrist as long as I'm not on Sarah Jessica Parker's face, I don't mind being a mole.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт From the library.

RegDwighт

Ah well. See. You have a whole library of CGELs.

Cerberus

The world is my library, and you are my bookworm.

*-giraffe

tchrist

Anna Chapman

RegDwighт

What is with her?

We talking Zimbabwe inflation again?

tchrist

1:26 PM

She married Alex and became a mole.

Or vice versa; timeline uncertain.

RegDwighт

Ah, that.

I also am convinced that she did single-handedly fuck up Zimbabwe.

But who cares. It's like Africa or something.

Cerberus

You give Mugabe too little credit.

And the country itself too.

RegDwighт

Well, that's because Mugabe already received too much credit from everyone else.

Fantastilliards of credit.

He can handle my overlooking him. He shall be fine.

Cerberus

I suppose.

tchrist

U.S. Newsworthiness Formula: 1 American = 5 Brits or Canadians or Australians = 25 Western Europeans = 100 Eastern Europeans or Latin Americans = 1000 Africans or Asians. Maybe 10,000.

Cerberus

1:30 PM

He needs to be locked away in a house for old people ASAP.

@tchrist I should think countries like China and North Korea also ranked high...

tchrist

No.

RegDwighт

> Le Cordon Bleu College of Culinary Arts, Pasadena

What kind of person comes up with such a name.

Cerberus

But yeah, news about Belgium or Suriname or Indonesia also ranks higher here.

@RegDwighт Well, the cordon bleu is a kind of culinary mark of excellence, I believe?

RegDwighт

News values

News values, sometimes called news criteria, determine how much prominence a news story is given by a media outlet, and the attention it is given by the audience. A. Boyd states that: "News journalism has a broadly agreed set of values, often referred to as 'newsworthiness'..." News values are not universal and can vary widely between different cultures. In Western practice, decisions on the selection and prioritization of news are made by editors on the basis of their experience and intuition, although analysis by J. Galtung and M. Ruge showed that several factors are consistently appl...

Cerberus

RegDwighт

1:33 PM

Oh. I never realized it had a literal meaning.

Cerberus

Cordon bleu

était, sous l’Ancien Régime, le surnom donné aux chevaliers de l’ordre du Saint-Esprit. Il désigne aujourd’hui un grand chef cuisinier. Ordre du Saint-Esprit L’ordre du Saint-Esprit était la plus illustre des décorations de la Monarchie. Il fut fondé en 1578 par Henri III pendant les guerres de Religion afin de regrouper les principaux chefs du parti catholique contre les protestants. Les chevaliers de cet ordre portaient comme insigne une croix de Malte suspendue à un large ruban de couleur moirée bleu ciel. Aboli à la Révolution française, le cordon bleu constitua pendant deux si...

RegDwighт

Well, TIL

It is still very funny.

Still sounds like Le Hotdog College to me. Ask @tchrist, it's hardwired.

tchrist

Hiccup.

Cerberus

> La locution pouvait donc s’appliquer par métaphore à tout ce qui est d’une rare élévation. Ainsi, le poète du XVIIe siècle Jean Regnault de Segrais, qui souhaitait se faire admettre à l’Académie française, déclare que cette assemblée était « le cordon bleu des beaux esprits » : il est élu1.

RegDwighт

This is cordon bleu. Nothing else is cordon bleu. QED.

Cerberus

1:36 PM

Yes, that is sold as "a cordon bleu" here too.

tchrist

They make a cool vegetarian version of that here.

RegDwighт

I sometimes purchase a cool vegetarian version of that here as well.

Cerberus

I don't get why people make "vegetarian versions" of anything.

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I hate when someone notices that he/she is forgetting their native language after living in a foreign country for 1 ~ 2 years. Such as this woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeBHl1PbhDQ

Cerberus

I don't want "vegetarian meat". I will either eat meat or not.

tchrist

1:37 PM

“They make” as in offer for purchase.

Cerberus

I don't want fake stuff.

tchrist

It’s a mycoprotein product, brand-name Quorn.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus you do realize that right now it's the "actual" stuff that's more fake than the fake stuff?

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It's not about forgetting their native language but "they want to forget their native language =P..."

RegDwighт

If you don't want fake meat, you have no choice but become a vegetarian. Conversely, this is probably the best time to be a vegetarian in the history of mankind.

tchrist

1:39 PM

I have a new graph, this time in color, but I can’t get it to upload to imgur without it timing out.

Scale it down.

@RegDwighт How so?

How so what?

It’s hard to read scaled down, but I’ll try.

Cerberus

@tchrist Yuck.

RegDwighт

1:40 PM

In fact you are probably the person in this chat who keeps bringing up how they put 50% water in meat and whatnot.

tchrist

Are you an antifungal person, or an anti-corn person, or an anti–krab-with-a-k person?

RegDwighт

Anyway. I am not here to discuss meat. Or absence thereof.

Cerberus

Sure, but it's still meat.

tchrist

Most hamburgers are >50% soy. Truth.

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PDF compresses large image quite efficiently

Cerberus

1:41 PM

3 mins ago, by Cerberus

I don't want "vegetarian meat". I will either eat meat or not.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus Not if it's been diluted under the Avogadro constant.

tchrist

Take that!

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but the problem is I am not sure if you can upload it to imgurl anymore

tchrist

Cerberus

@RegDwighт There's still meat in it.

Meatballs have always been part starches.

tchrist

1:41 PM

@RegDwighт With the only the best whackamole.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus I see you do not know what the Avogadro constant is.

Cerberus

Is it like really firm guacamole?

tchrist

I have a confession: I don’t like solid unmashed chunks of avocado in my guacamole.

RegDwighт

@tchrist that picture is worth OVER 9000 words. Very, very long words. In Nahuatl.

tchrist

Isn’t it, though?

RegDwighт

1:43 PM

I just hate avocado with a passion, period.

tchrist

Avocado does not mix well with passion, fruit.

RegDwighт

I don't want "vegetarian fat". I will either eat fat or not.

tchrist

Call them lipids and they sneak under the radar.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Then why bring it up?

tchrist

Let’s talk about something else.

Cerberus

1:44 PM

Oh, and you're both freaks. Avocado is my favourite fruit in the world.

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What was the biggest amount of cereal you have ever eaten at once?

tchrist

Did I say I hated avocado? No.

Cerberus

@tchrist "Page cannot be displayed because it contains errors."

tchrist

I don’t like its chunks.

Cerberus

Freak.

tchrist

1:46 PM

@Reg did you see the picture/graph? You did, right?

RegDwighт

I just closed it this very second.

tchrist

Ok.

RegDwighт

But I examined a whole number of places in it.

tchrist

Better than a fractional number of places.

RegDwighт

Imaginary's the best.

tchrist

1:47 PM

I expect it to take up the better part of an upcoming Indian conf call.

Because the other part will be even more boring.

RegDwighт

You won't have bandwidth left for the call.

I would love to eavesdrop on that, though. It's kind of doable if you explore the graph in some software, where you can follow edges and such. But a static picture? Good luck with that.

tchrist

I wish I could click through to the module source.

RegDwighт

Well you could export it as an HTML image map, no?

tchrist

Yes, but I don’t know what that looks like.

RegDwighт

Well you could write the HTML image map now that you have the image.

tchrist

1:50 PM

What you would like to do is light up a module and its links.

RegDwighт

There are only so many modules in there that'll be of interest, I suppose.

@tchrist that's what export to SVG is there for.

tchrist

You take the end-modules, the yellow/gold/orange boxes, and trace their ancestry.

That is the interesting part.

RegDwighт

Yeah. SVG + JS.

Cerberus

What the heck are you talking about?

RegDwighт

Can be quite fun.

@Cerberus geek stuff.

tchrist

1:51 PM

Don’t know SVG.

Cerberus

Oh.

RegDwighт

Haven't touched SVG in years. But when I did, I did awesome things.

They're all offline now, alas.

Cerberus

Did it end up like this ^?

RegDwighт

We killed the entire site. Wholesale.

tchrist

Got an example of someone else’s SVG doing awesome thing?

RegDwighт

1:52 PM

I'd have to look. Adobe used to have really mindblowing demos. But that was literally ten years ago.

Right off the bat I have nothing.

tchrist

ok

RegDwighт

I guess I could check out my old stuff at work. But it'll be old, too, by today's standards.

Cerberus

SVGs can kill sites?

RegDwighт

No, SVG doesn't kill sites. People kill sites.

Cerberus

Ah.

tchrist

1:55 PM

When I was working at the med school, I saw some pretty cool stuff done with interactive graphs of proteins and such.

It was actually connected to English natural-language-processing software analysing papers.

Regarding Anna Chapman: “U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden, when jokingly asked by Jay Leno on NBC's The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, "Do we have any spies that hot?", replied in a mock serious tone, "Let me be clear. It was not my idea to send her back".”

Cerberus

Look! The WYSIWYG editor on Wikipedia is live!

At last!

Just edit any page and you'll see.

Hmm, it's only on English Wikipedia.

RegDwighт

2:24 PM

It's been up for a week or so. And I can't use it. It literally does not work.

Not that I care.

WYSIWYG is just a euphemism for "blatant lie".

Cerberus

It doesn't work?

What happens when you try?

RegDwighт

It tries to color that portion of the page or something, but I can't edit or really do anything other than reload the page.

It's been a couple days, perhaps they fixed it. Or perhaps it was FF's fault.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт It works for me on FF.

en.wikipedia.org/w/…

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Hello.

tchrist

4:17 PM

@Reg There ya go: the inheritance graph of just one final class, the yellow box at the bottom,

I don’t mean final in the Java way, oops.

Robusto

4:29 PM

@Cerberus What is the Dutch word for WYSIWYG? Or is that already Dutch?

Cerberus

@Robusto Ehh I was reluctant enough to type that in English, but I could think of a proper alternative. I'm not going to taint the Dutch language with a similarly horrible abbreviation as well!

Robusto

What? You want to abbreviate the Dutch taint? Ouch!

Cerberus

Why not "live editor"?

Robusto

Rot IDE evil live editor.

Cerberus

The people inventing new names for computer functions are so terribly uncreative these days.

Robusto

4:34 PM

They need a framework for naming programming things.

Or a "Software Function Naming For Dummies" book.

Johan Larsson

I wish I could export SVG from cad easily, exporting to dwg and opening in incscape ir pretty painful

Cerberus

@Robusto That would be a start.

A SFNFD book.

Johan Larsson

4:51 PM

This is a pretty long name.

finding good names when programming is hard ime, pretty important also.

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson Names in code should be descriptive, and length is not a problem.

I'm talking about in actual language.

Johan Larsson

id say length is somewhat problematic, obscures the flow of the code ime

but I like avocado

Cerberus

Possibly.

Yay!

I agree that the name in your example is too long.

Johan Larsson

avocados get soft fast when stored in room temperature, the softening slows down considerably when put in the fridge.

not every time one can pick up a bunch of perfect avocados in the store

Cerberus

Adding lemon juice also helps a great deal to prevent browning.

Just as with apples.

Johan Larsson

4:59 PM

when peeled that is?

Cerberus

Yes.

Johan Larsson

gf made something nice today, chunky avocado and red onion, not mixed together but in the same bowl. It was for a taco style dish.

Cerberus

Good.

It is often better not to mix avocado.

Johan Larsson

is it hot in Holland?

Cerberus

5:14 PM

Yes, quite.

It's 26 degrees or so.

24 now.

You?

Johan Larsson

was 30 today

Cerberus

Ouch.

KitFox

It's about... does maths 30 here today too.

It's also very, very noisy in my house right now.

I have two five-year-old and two three-year-old boys playing.

Noah

5:53 PM

hello

Here's a situation. Give me your iPhone, I'll need to use it for something. Assuming the need is now. Do we need the will part? I think it's kind of redundant and would be better to say, "I need to use it for something." Thoughts?

The reason why I am posting this here is because I have to write something about it and to be honest I cannot really come with reasons to back up my claim with.

Cerberus

@Noah You are right.

> Tech firms including Microsoft are said to voluntarily give advanced warning to the US government of vulnerabilities in software products sold to governments overseas before they are patched, allowing US agencies to effectively use them to conduct foreign surveillance.

> The Reuters report notes that in order to maintain the integrity of tech companies with international customers, the government typically works through a thriving industry of third-party firms that offer services capable of compromising "virtually every major software vendor."

theverge.com/2013/7/4/4493178/…

Noah

6:14 PM

Apple doesn't.

At least that's what they say. They published a letter addressed to the public on their website claiming that they don't share anything with government agencies.

But you never know. they might be wrong. They might be trying to quell the anger of its customers before it even emerges.

Robusto

7:10 PM

I just bought a new car. The final guy who handled the paperwork included a document that certified that I wasn't on any government terrorist watch list (which, of course, I'm not). But they actually did a government background check on me before I could buy a car.

KitFox

7:30 PM

Well, good thing you're not a terrorist then.

Cerberus

9:53 PM

@Robusto You wouldn't know if you were on such a list.

@Noah They do. They have admitted to giving private information to the American government thousands of times a year, on FISA orders and probably also "national security letters".

Robusto

11:28 PM

@Cerberus But apparently I'm not on one, because they sold me a car. If they sell a car to someone on the watch list and that person uses it to blow something up (or whatever), the dealership can be fined $5 million. That's what the guy told me.

Cerberus

@Robusto That's terrible!

But, really, can a a car dealer get this list? Auf welchem Grund?

Can you?

Robusto

Weiss ich nicht.

Cerberus

I would assume not.

Just like the no-fly list(s).

Robusto

I dunno. We may be past the point of no return on govt. spying. They're collecting data on everything we do, no matter how innocuous.

> If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.

Cerberus

11:54 PM

@Robusto Encryption?

Public awareness and indignation?

Both of those are going up right now.

Robusto

Encryption? How are you going to encrypt all your credit-card transactions, your SMS messages, your phone location (which can be triangulated between cell towers), and all the countless little things you do that are going to be recorded? It may all be harmless stuff, but low-level people will have access to all your shit and could make your life miserable for personal gain, spite, or just to fuck with you.

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