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12:47 AM

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4:23 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 At that price, and with that discount, you can't afford not to own one!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto With the money I saved I could pay off my mortgage!

5 hours later…

9:34 AM

Hi @all

10:32 AM

Why do people do this to my edits? (@_@)

@RegDwighт I'm tempted to rollback to your version myself.

Perhaps I'll let the OP stop tinkering first.

10:50 AM

OK. Done. That's better.

user19161

@RegDwighт Could be two people editing at the same time.

user19161

There was once I did an edit, and I had no idea how I removed a tag and added another tag.

user19161

I then attributed it to a bug in the system to explain the error, because it would take too many keystrokes for me to change the tag in that way.

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Q: Different users' edits are amalgamated

Revision 3 of http://english.stackexchange.com/posts/83629/revisions is attributed to me. I edited the question to remove the code formatting and present the quote correctly, and did only that. A short time prior to that, the OP had removed a few words and an apostrophe, but this edit is shown a...

11:25 AM

What image? Why don't I see any image? — Kris 5 hours ago

12:02 PM

Do we have any moderators who are around in the morning in Western Europe?

12:29 PM

Trying pinging @RegDwighт.

Why have I so many pings today?

Flags? Our troll is active.

OK, OK, let me get some coffee.

No, pings actually. I only see one troll flag.

12:48 PM

Hi, I need some assistance in learning english.

Can I ask a sentence to rephrase here?

I am beginner in english language

trying to learn it

Yes, certainly.

"Ok, I am leaving. I highly doubt my availability online at home."

Is it correct?

It is correct, but worded a little strangely.

Salut ! I have a small doubt .
" The choice of language and costumes was left at our discretion ." Is this sentence grammatically correct ?

More likely, it would be "I highly doubt I will be available online at home."

12:53 PM

" The choice of language and costumes were left at our discretion ." I find this one

@user1471 left to our discretion.

Otherwise, yes.

verbally pleasant =)

Thanks @KitFox

You're welcome. Did you know about the Learners site?

@KitFox Thanks =)

12:54 PM

You're welcome.

They have a chat room.

English Language Learners

A room to talk about English, linguistics, or anything you wan...

no

As well as a beta site for asking questions.

Ok, thank you very much.

You are welcome to ask here in our chat as well though.

Sure, I will try there.

Ok.

12:55 PM

They are just getting started, so there are fewer people in that chat room.

We often have a crowd in here, but it can be difficult for learners to keep up sometimes.

@tchrist I actually kind of like wantrepreneur.

I thought minergy described my job investment pretty well.

@KitFox It can be difficult for regulars to keep up!

Like pants, it is hard for me to keep up.

user19161

@kit What does your pic show?

1:00 PM

My kissy face.

user19161

With a touch of yellow.

Yes, it is a burned negative.

My friend Victor sent it to me.

I used to model for him.

user19161

In other news, Firefox 19 has a built-in PDF viewer.

Firefox continues to lead all browsers in leaking memory.

It is a time-honored tradition for them.

@Robusto Does it leak more than IE6?

1:09 PM

IE6 is dead. It doesn't leak anymore for that reason alone.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus Clearly you must be suffering from weirdearcanalitis

@Robusto The corpse is alive and kicking on my work machine in front of me at the moment.

Matt Эллен

Hello @KitFox. You're looking nice. How nice it is that you're here. You're so nice.

@AndrewLeach No necrophilia in chat.

@AndrewLeach Also, my deepest sympathy for your loss.

@MattЭллен Sorry I took so long. Something really strange happened last night. Suddenly I wanted to yield to everyone.

Matt Эллен

1:15 PM

That is strange

@Robusto What makes you think I love it?

@MattЭллен It was as though my scheduling priority had been knocked down.

@AndrewLeach Who said anything about love?

"Necrophilia"

Matt Эллен

@KitFox you were doing things when people asked you to do them?

1:20 PM

@MattЭллен Um. I don't know how to answer that in a clever way.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox I think I'm missing a joke :D

@AndrewLeach You mean coitus?

16 hours ago, by MετάEd

$ nice kitfox

Matt Эллен

OIC

@Robusto Necrophilia normally means that.

Matt Эллен

1:21 PM

I hadn't connected the dots

I went unilateral today, which is unusual for me.

Stalinism? Really?

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Q: What's the opposite of omniscient?

What's the opposite of omniscient, which means having infinite knowledge, or simply "all-knowing"? Thesaurus.com shows these possible word...

He's edited it, and it's got three reopen votes already.

Matt Эллен

well, that's good

Still hasn't said what he actually wants, though.

1:26 PM

Ultimately I think it is a gen ref.

@tchrist First time someone has accused me of that.

Matt Эллен

I'll direct him to philosophy and christianity, if I can find the questions...

pauciscient

Yes, are you looking for the opposite of infinite or the opposite of all? Seems like these would be finite or none. — KitFox 4 mins ago

Matt Эллен

oh, the christianity question was about omnipotentcy

1:29 PM

-ence

Matt Эллен

this is what happens when I don't have a spell checker

I make up better words

And I am a what?

Matt Эллен

white square with a purple border

Er, Stalinist as well?

Matt Эллен

who's Stalinist?

1:32 PM

How come all the Nortie questions say Community deleted them?

@MattЭллен I am, according to our resident troll. I seek out sockpuppets.

@tchrist They get deleted when the account is removed.

Hm, they didn’t use to do it that way, but ok.

Matt Эллен

@AndrewLeach I see. sort of.

@MattЭллен english.stackexchange.com/questions/105316/abuse-and-abuses

Looks like the fact: "English chat is always active" is very true - Completely agreed :D

@Cerberus is right ;-)

Matt Эллен

1:35 PM

@AndrewLeach Stalinist, though? Have you been killing people who speak against The Party?

@MattЭллен *the

@MattЭллен Apparently I am causing the deletion of material which violates Policy.

But he has no idea. The case he cited is California law; SE is based in NY.

Matt Эллен

@AndrewLeach In a shopping centre, no less. oh wait.

Nutter.

@MattЭллен Doesn't everyone?

Matt Эллен

1:40 PM

@Robusto Twice on Tuesdays

D'oh! I forgot it's two-fer Tuesday! I'll have to purge someone else now.

I can't believe I'm getting hassled by Mr. Spock.

Thanks for the heads-up. I wouldn't want it to seem like I was shirking my duties to The Party.

feels sad

@MattЭллен Three this morning, and one of those was a repeat of yesterday.

Matt Эллен

1:42 PM

good work, comrade!

@KitFox At least it's not Dr Spock.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox he's emotionless. he doesn't realise he's hassling you. a swift kick to the nuts helps the logic along

I'd rather get hassled by a crackpot Dr Spock than by my childhood crush.

And revising the DB schema is not helping my mood.

@MattЭллен I hope you don't treat all Aspergers sufferers that way.

cowers

Matt Эллен

@AndrewLeach notes emotions

1:45 PM

uncowers

I give you the accepted answer because I'm mad at Bill Franke. He edited my question just for fit his answer, when I wasn't talking about language proficiency, rather about skills level. — yzT 54 secs ago

"Why would I want to eat if I'm not hungry?"

Hah.

Honesty is so refreshing.

Commute. Laterze.

What is the difference between proficiency and skill?

1:47 PM

A lot of letters.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox "Because if you don't we'll kill your family"

@AndrewLeach What’s the difference between intelligent and smart?

Hmm. Einstein was one and not the other.

George W Bush wore a suit most of the time.

Now he paints. Just like Hitler.

Keep going: one of those will eventually smart.

@AndrewLeach Most North Americans would not connect that with smart. :)

1:51 PM

So I'm an ass, a jerk, and I suck this morning. And it's not even 9am.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox no no no. you're nice.

@KitFox Pix or it didn’t happen.

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Q: Is it "interest free" or "interest-free" when describing a loan without an interest rate?

I watched a clip a show shown on TruTV about a woman who was angry about not having been offered free cash for thirty days. According to the receptionist in the financial services place she was in, the sign she (the disgruntled customer) read meant that one can receive a loan free of interest wi...

hyphen compounds

Comment thread.

@KitFox Ew.

I used my patience yesterday.

I don't understand why people think that name-calling is going to get them what they want.

1:54 PM

What about your lovingkindness and longsufferingness?

I've never had those.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox because they're 12, maybe?

I know.

@MattЭллен Doesn't work for 12-year-olds either though.

Little boy blue, come blow your horn. . . .

Matt Эллен

1:56 PM

@KitFox no, but after that I expect most people learn

I suppose.

One wonders at your use of “easily”. Sounds like appeasement to me. Not sure I believe it. It’s a crap question.

And Kris is ever so helpful in that thread.

user19161

Kris's sex is yet to be determined.

Pretty sure Kris is a guy.

Matt Эллен

aye

user19161

2:00 PM

They should change the 30 day name change policy to 3 days!

Matt Эллен

they should extend it to only be allowed through court proceedings.

user19161

I just saw someone's profile that said she has cancer. I wish her well.

So I have to tell you that I have cancer for you to wish me well?

Matt Эллен

or at least crabs

giggles

user19161

2:02 PM

Haha, of course, we all know there are things which might be worse than cancer...

@JacobBlack Sure, like cancer treatments.

user19161

I have not eaten crabs for 9000 years!

user19161

I once got a crab bone or whatever you call it stuck in me.

Good morning, everyone.

Morning.

Matt Эллен

2:04 PM

'allo

Breaking the Illusion of Limitation

Good afternoon :)

Brit!

user19161

Good night!

Matt Эллен

Jemaine!

user19161

2:06 PM

@matt Why do you use another picture for ELL?

Matt Эллен

I use one avatar for here and one for the rest of SE

user19161

Why so special?

Because he likes us.

Matt Эллен

EL&U is special

only EL&U gets to see the real me

user19161

Mr Matt and Orc.

Matt Эллен

2:08 PM

quite :D

Dr. Ellen and Mr. Orc

Although I'm not a doctor

Master Ellen.

Matt Эллен

:D the Doctor's nemesis!

The Master Ellen.

tap-tap-tap-tap

Hi @KitFox

Matt Эллен

I watched the series 3 finale the other day

2:10 PM

How are you?

Matt Эллен

I somehow managed to miss series 3 when it first came on air, and all subsequent times

Hi @MattЭллен

Matt Эллен

hi

@MattЭллен Series three? Which one is that?

Hi @Sudhir.

How are you doing?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:13 PM

Good morning

Matt Эллен

@KitFox with Martha as the companion (new who)

the christmas special with the master is with Donna, though, I think

@MattЭллен But you've seen all the rest? Just none with Martha?

@MattЭллен Yes.

Matt Эллен

Martha and Mickey are there, though

It was really good.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox yeah, well I've watched it on Love Film now

2:14 PM

@Sudhir Fine thanks, and you?

@MattЭллен I watched it on Netflix.

fine

Good morning @Mr.Shiny.

@KitFox: Being Db admin can you suggest which one is better in performance between Joins and subquery?

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hello

@Sudhir I'm not an admin, but I'd say it probably depends on the context. Usually a join is better.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:15 PM

@Sudhir It will depend. Write your query and ask the database to explain its execution plan.

Often the DB rewrites subqueries into joins anyway

I use Mysql quite bit confused between these two.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

In the old days Mysql didn't support subqueries and you had to rewrite it as a join instead

Oh. MySQL is a bit different.

Yeah, what @Mr.Shiny said.

It's still kind of clunky.

I haven't used it in a while though.

But now MYSQL supports.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yeah since v4 I think.

Anyway start reading here: dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/execution-plan-information.html

2:17 PM

So guess what I'm doing @Mr.Shiny?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

version control?

branching?

I bet it's branching your codebase

Thanks a lot @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

so that you have two simultaneous dev paths

@Sudhir np

Um, maybe I should do that.

So you work on DB?

2:18 PM

I'm revising my DB schema.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox oh, fun.

cheers

And the permissions that I took six months to think through are all going to be revamped.

Matt Эллен

where everybody knows your name

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The best part of that is managing the deployment of new code which uses the new schema and old code which uses the old schema.

and they're always glad you came

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇: Which diagram you prefer when you need to draw the schema for DB design?

2:20 PM

you want to be where you can see

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Nah. I'm just going to demo the whole thing and start over.

I'm kidding of course.

troubles are always something

you want to go where everybody knows your name

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Sudhir Hm, I haven't diagramed in a while. I guess I prefer UML: I let the classes dictate the program structure which dictates the storage. It's usually pretty obvious how the DB should look. Maybe not for a third party who can't see the code, though.

I use Visual Paradigm.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I've used Visio to extract an E-R diagram from an existing DB before. That works pretty well.

How ER works?

Great!@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Sudhir E-R is Entity-relation. It's a kind of diagram. Basically it shows your table structure and foreign keys.

2:26 PM

Also helps in deducing the relationships between the entities.

I am having a really hard time figuring out how to structure this hierarchy.

Can you suggest the differences ER and UML?

yawn Mornin'.

Morning @chatkillah.

Also, When to prefer over the other?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:28 PM

@Sudhir UML models classes. E-R models tables.

Matt Эллен

labdien @chatkillah

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I always prefer UML, usually.

You are such a classist.

I prefer E-R.

How you link your database tables to classes?

Matt Эллен

I prefer abstract impressionist

2:30 PM

@MattЭллен buenos dias.

Matt Эллен

Merci!

Let's see. More coffee or more thinking?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇: You're in office right now?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Sudhir sorta. I work from home.

Lucky man

So your company outsources work?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:33 PM

@Sudhir Usually the data objects each get their own tables. The data-model usually has only one representation that really makes sense in the DB. We don't have complex class hierarchies here that need storage in the DB, so the UML diagram is often very similar to the ER diagram.

@Sudhir No. We all work from home.

I need some help thinking. You guys up for it?

Matt Эллен

I can try!

To the jQuery room?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

it's chilly there, bring a heater

Its very hot here! @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇

2:35 PM

@KitFox I was just making coffee.

30 C

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇: What's normal pay in Canada for a Software developer?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Sudhir haha, it's like 30 F here

@Sudhir it varies. $30k to $120k depending on where you work and years of experience.

That's an awesome pay.

We here can't get even after having 15+ years experience.

For us, its very much.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

well, the cost of living is pretty high here in comparison. And I don't know if those salaries will be maintainable in the long term. Lots of companies ship work overseas.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's hard, working from home. Too many distractions. Like the kitchen. All that cake just waiting to be eaten.

2:40 PM

You know 1$ cost us ₹55.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch yeah seriously. On the other hand, the bathroom is always clean.

Now you can imagine.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇: How freshers get job there?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Sudhir Send out resumes, I guess.

So what's your degree?

I think Canada has English as its official language. So you're native speaker of English?

@Sudhir English and French.

2:46 PM

Oh

I mean, I doubt Mr.Shiny is a native speaker of both, but they are both the official languages of Canada.

Okay

I always appreciate you guys for providing me prerequisite information.

I've one more doubt about Presidency in Canada and England.

Could you clarify my doubt?

I probably can't. Mr.Shiny probably can.

Matt Эллен

Canada and England don't have a president.

Then?

Matt Эллен

2:51 PM

Then?

England has a Queen. And so does Canada.

I mean then who presides there?

So Queen is same for both countries?

Matt Эллен

Yep, like when The Queen used to be Empress of India

Except that the Queen of the United Kingdom is legally distinct from the Queen of Canada.

ok

2:54 PM

Monarchy of Canada

The monarchy of Canada is the core of both Canada's federalism and its Westminster-style parliamentary democracy, being the foundation of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Canadian government and each provincial government. The monarchy has been headed since 6 February 1952 by Queen Elizabeth II, who as sovereign is shared equally with fifteen other countries within the Commonwealth of Nations, all being independent and the monarchy of each legally distinct. For Canada, the current monarch is officially titled Queen of Canada (), and she, her consort, and other ...

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 no comment. OK here's a comment...actually in the far past, I'd refer the work bathroom instead of the home one because...well... they had professionals cleaning it. I'm not a professional.

@AndrewLeach but they're the same person right?

Matt Эллен

Lawyers have cloned her

@AndrewLeach: Queen Elizabeth II is ruling all 15 countries?

Same person, but if the United Kingdom became a republic, she would still be Queen of Canada, of Australia and a number of other Realms and Territories.

@Sudhir Sixteen.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Sudhir Yes. She "rules" all her countries as separate countries. Kinda like if you own two stores: you can own them both while they are managed separately by their staff.

2:56 PM

Canada's not a real country.

I mean, they have provinces, not states.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Actually I am a native speaker of both languages.

what's up with that.

@Mitch :O

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No way!

!!

snap!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:57 PM

@Mitch It's the US that's not a real country. Each "state" is like its own mini-country. The US is like an early prototype of the EU.

So its same lady in all 16 countries?

@AndrewLeach?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Sudhir The same queen? yes. She doesn't actually DO anything though, so she does that nothing for all the countries simultaneously.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah. exactly. we've supersized the legal entitiness of ou sub parts. so the enclosing country, the US, is even more of a country because each of it's subentities is like a small country.

@Sudhir Yes, same lady, but each country has her separately. It's just like the CEO of Acme Inc also being CEO of Cema Inc. Giving up one role wouldn't affect the other.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch No, that makes it LESS of a country, not more.

2:59 PM

I consider the Commonwealth of Former Soviet states to be the only attempt at competition on that front.

@AndrewLeach: UK is not republic?

as you said

Matt Эллен

Hmmm. The US is less of country and more of a post-apocalyptic waste land littered with roaming gangs of theives and murderers

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