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Robusto
Robusto
12:01 AM
Maybe he's trying to puzzle it out now. "How can they be different? Merriam, Marriam . . . "
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I never said that there isn't any influence at all. My only point is that it is not -necessary-. People compartmentalize all the time. In the US at least people are very aware that other people have different religious beliefs and whateer one believes is not necessarily good to be so open about it or to push it on others.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Ugh, annoying. Yes, that happens. But Google does it too...
You should root it and install Titanium Backup: then you can remove or freeze "system" apps.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus It was mainly Google apps. And when I went to IMDB via Chrome it asked me if I wanted the IMDB app. And I said, "No, never!" And it got installed anyway. I deleted it, but this kind of shit pisses me off no end.
I don't want apps that can be handled by a browser! There, I said it. I don't want to give all my private information to every stupid company that makes a widget that needs all those permissions.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch I'm not entirely sure what you mean...yes, normal people are not trying to convert each other all the time. Doesn't mean their beliefs don't influence others in some ways through other, subtle, slow means. And the theory goes that the essential bit of "influence" happened in the 17th/18th centuries.
@Robusto Wow, that sucks. But surely you had to click "install" before it installed?
@Robusto If you root, you can also install Xprivacy, which lets you forbid any and all permissions to all apps, including system apps.
You can all fine-tune them.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus No! That's just the point! I deliberately clicked, "No."
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
12:07 AM
It even has an automated database that can pick only the permissions an application absolutely needs.
@Robusto That's wicked. I am thinking weird LG bug?
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus I can't root my phone without committing a felony. Not gonna do that.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Umm that is not true.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus How could it be a bug.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Device-unlocking is legal, SIM-unlocking is not.
@Robusto No idea! But it has to be a bug somewhere.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus It is a bug in the universe. The same bug that keeps fucking up all our shit, gives us George W. Bush for 8 years and keeps the home fires (literally) burning in the Middle East, etc., etc.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
12:16 AM
I find this site more trustworthy.
@Robusto I say we go back to a universe that's just 01.
1 bit should be easy to debug.
Another trustworthy site, with quotations.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus This time maybe we should have a Small Bang.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
What does it cost?
We don't seem to get a big bang for the bug.
 
Robusto
Robusto
I dunno. The mere fact that every interprets the DMCA differently gives me pause.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I never said ones beliefs don't influence ones actions. Of course they do. We're not all totally insane. You were going in the direction of one's religion necessarily influencing ones actions. You were going in the direction of a Mormon -must- act a certain way and someone Amish necessarily in some other way.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Finally I present the EFF:
> First, the good news. The legal shield for jailbreaking and rooting your phone remains up - it'll protect us at least through 2015.
If anyone knows, it is they.
 
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
12:23 AM
How did you get your paws, Cerb?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Only that amateurish site just didn't really understand the subject matter. Notice how they confuse "root" and "jailbreak" and don't give any references.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I don't remember. I was not conscious when they were shaped.
 
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
Pause... paws.
I'll show myself out.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch I would never say that and haven't. But it's bed time!
 
Robusto
Robusto
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Is that out as in outmaneuver?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 And I don't possess a pause, that I know of.
 
Robusto
Robusto
12:25 AM
@Cerberus Pah!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I do possess pahs, yes.
 
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
3 mins ago, by Robusto
I dunno. The mere fact that every interprets the DMCA differently gives me pause.
 
Robusto
Robusto
> To my readers who have recently purchased a smartphone and were hoping to root it, you can get away with doing that through legal means up to 90 days after your purchase. You just need to call your provider and get their permission. No worries!
Like Verizon will give me permission.
 
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
Pah! Humbug.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Ohh haha. Missed that.
@Robusto Who says this?
 
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
12:26 AM
@Robusto ask Tim.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus That was in the first link.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Tiny Tim?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Well, it's bad. Just read what the EFF says. They have the best lawyers in the country and they tell you it is legal.
 
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
@Robusto yes, but it's a crutch.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Of course you are free to remain unrooted if you wish. But it is not illegal in your country at the moment.
 
Robusto
Robusto
You asked for that.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
12:28 AM
Okay, it's bed time!
 
Robusto
Robusto
Night.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Good night, lady and gentleman.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Who are you calling a lady and who a gentleman?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
disappears in a rooted and slightly sagging cloud of smoke
 
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
Ohhhh, that Tiny Tim.
Bai!
 
Robusto
Robusto
12:33 AM
Hey, where did this rooted and slightly sagging cloud of smoke come from? More to the point, how do we get it off our clothes? Eeeuwww.
 
 
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skullpatrol
skullpatrol
4:38 AM
I feel like tip toeing through the tulips :D
 
 
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EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
6:56 AM
I wonder why can't you just directly write binary into code in most language like
0b11000
 
Meysam
Meysam
7:10 AM
@EnglishMaster Hi
 
EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
oh hi
 
Meysam
Meysam
How you doing
 
EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
just lviing
how are you?
I'm watching
 
Meysam
Meysam
just enjoying my life
 
EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
Oh
 
Meysam
Meysam
7:11 AM
let me get straight to my question
 
EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
NICE! TELL ME MORE
ok
 
Meysam
Meysam
what's the meaning of Waiver Plan?
 
EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
sure, nvm I'm not interested in ur life anymore
 
Meysam
Meysam
You can get the savings if all of the following are true:

• You’re currently enrolled in a Medicare Prescription Drug Plan (including employer group health and __waiver plans__) or a Medicare Advantage Plan (like an HMO or PPO) that includes prescription drug coverage
 
EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
Like stopping the plan?
Sorry I had to search this XD...
 
Meysam
Meysam
7:15 AM
I don't know. I am asking.
So you are not that master in English as your name implies.
 
EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
Hey,
Human being constantly makes mistake no matter how good they are
at something ^_^...
Whatever ^_^...
What's your TOEIC score
?
 
Meysam
Meysam
I aint have no TOEIC score man
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 ping
@Mitch ping
 
EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
Never mind then any ways, I've never come across the word before so I am not too sure
 
Meysam
Meysam
@Cerberus ping
 
EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
What's your dress code when you go out?
 
Meysam
Meysam
7:22 AM
casual
 
EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
Nerd or geek or police officer?
 
Meysam
Meysam
no suits, no tie
 
EnglishMaster
EnglishMaster
I wear like a golfer
Kids nowadays are funny because they copy what Justin Bieber wears but make fun of him on Internet
 
Meysam
Meysam
7:52 AM
@MattЭллен Do you know what Waiver Plan is?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
No. Sounds like some kind of insurance thing
insurance against things you have to waive, perhaps
 
 
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RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
9:58 AM
@Robusto I didn't. I don't know why. I should have.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@KitFox: today I used source control to diagnose a bug.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
What did it have? A cold? Mad cow disease?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
a broken optimisation
it turns out that I should redraw something despite it being invisible
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
I hope you cast it in plaster.
Or plastered it in cast.
Which requires really still hands, for a bug.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
indeed, they're fragile and wriggly
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
10:09 AM
Brittle.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
quite :D
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Brittle Litain.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
No but, yeah but
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
So yesterday on Reddit I learned that in Canada you can demand a portrait of the Queen be sent to you, and so it will be.
Is it the same in the UK?
They also give away flags that flew on Parliament Hill. The waiting list is currently 39 years.
I can has flag in Britain, too?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
this is news to me.
 
Noah
Noah
10:16 AM
Hi
 
Jez
Jez
news to me too
 
Noah
Noah
What's news to @MattЭллен
@RegDwigнt For free?
But who would want that?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
You can get old photo portraits: gac.culture.gov.uk/work.aspx?obj=31710
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Noah Well, everyone's paying for yours, but you're also paying for everyone else's. That's how taxes work.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
I don't think that's the same thing, though
 
Jez
Jez
10:18 AM
@Noah it might make good tinder i suppose
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@MattЭллен yeah she doesn't seem to sport Canadian insignia in those. Fake!
 
Noah
Noah
@Jez And Canada is cold.
 
its_me
its_me
Hi, can anyone please tell me what this means? "She sprang up and ran across the grass, swift and sweet of limb."
 
Jez
Jez
probably means she ran quickly and in an attractive way
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
yeah
 
its_me
its_me
10:24 AM
hmm, ok thanks!
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
10:35 AM
0
Q: looking for words that best describe the product

Razi FakihAm looking to create a tagline for a chicken product that has the following qualities tender, marinated, herbed, flavored, juicy

word-choice
Xblast time.
 
Noah
Noah
I am looking for a word that best describes a chicken
 
Monica
Monica
Hello
 
Jez
Jez
clucky?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@Noah chicken
 
Monica
Monica
Could anyone tell me please which preposition should be used here 'to' or 'on'? ''A written personal response on/to a painting''
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
10:43 AM
to
 
Monica
Monica
Thank you
 
Noah
Noah
@MattЭллен I big to differ
Both could be used
But would mean different things.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@Noah people respond to things
@Noah I was going with the most likely. I don't think Monica was defacing a painting
 
Monica
Monica
a painting can't ask something..
 
Noah
Noah
Right. But people also have a comment on things.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
10:44 AM
And people don't comment to things
different verb, different prepostion
 
Monica
Monica
10:55 AM
I would be grateful if you checked this sentence too.
As it has to be based on what the painting makes me feel and think rather that on knowledge, I didn't read anything about the painting in advance.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
"rather that" should be "rather than"
 
Monica
Monica
Oh, I didn't notice that I put 't'
Other than that?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
my personal preference would be to put a comma after think, too
making "rather than on knowledge" parenthetical
 
Monica
Monica
I will put it.
Thanks a lot.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
no probs :)
 
Shyam
Shyam
11:33 AM
@MattЭллен Hello
@Monica hi
 
Mitch
Mitch
11:59 AM
@MattЭллен What?? That makes no sense.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@Mitch What is this grammar?
 
KitSox
KitSox
12:18 PM
Morning.
 
KitFox
KitFox
@MattЭллен Great. I still hate source control.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Source control is great. Except when it doesn't work.
 
KitFox
KitFox
12:34 PM
Hello.
!!/define basement
 
KitSox
KitSox
@KitFox basement A floor of a building below ground level.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@KitFox You should love it!
simply because it helped me
 
KitFox
KitFox
Sometimes I do.
And I love all things that help you.
Naturally.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
Hello, by the way :)
 
KitFox
KitFox
drinks coffee in ironic fashion
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
12:37 PM
has a beard in iconic fashion
I'll be a style icon one of these days. Just you wait
 
Mitch
Mitch
lies down in a laconic fashion
It's greek style!
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
Your style is bankrupt
 
KitFox
KitFox
snickers
 
Mitch
Mitch
mounds
 
KitFox
KitFox
knickers in a twix
 
Mitch
Mitch
12:39 PM
kit kat in peanut butter
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
Food fetishists, the both of you!
 
Mitch
Mitch
if it was a fetish, I would have used 'slathered on peanut butter'.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
oh no, I know your sort. You revel in the merest hint of taboo
"Just the tip"
 
Mitch
Mitch
I'm still trying to figure out how to drink things ironically. I can't get the cup at the right ... approach.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Mitch You have to drink the coffee before it was cool
 
KitFox
KitFox
12:44 PM
It's all in the eyes.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MattЭллен What? No, I want to get paid for the whole meal.
@MattЭллен Said the bishop to the parishioner.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
quite
 
Mitch
Mitch
Your dirty mind!
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
You're dirty mind
 
Mitch
Mitch
you misspelled 'mind'.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
12:47 PM
What's mind is mind and what's you'res is mind.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
1:35 PM
@Noah chickeny. @Matt.
Chicken does not describe a chicken. It only names it. Describing is what adjectives are there for.
And if a chicken ain't chickeny, then chickeny has no meaning.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
That describes something that's got chicken qualities. Chicken best describes chicken
What is it? A chicken
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@MattЭллен see, not a description.
Just a label.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
perfect
all the understanding of what it is in one word
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
But you do not understand what it is. Every chicken is different.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
without the ambiguity of chickeny which could be describing something else
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
1:38 PM
Well, anything could be describing something else.
Your very own chicken could be describing Michael J. Fox. Now what.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
No, your reduction to absurdity doesn't fly. just like chicken
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
One thing's for sure, though: he sure as hell ain't chickeny. That has been literally said zero times of him.
So you lose. I win. Again.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
I think you'll find that Michael J Fox is a human, and humans have been descibed as chickeny
I win some more
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@MattЭллен I am offended by the implication that my arguments have to first be reduced to absurdity.
They come ready for consumption straight out of the box.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
No added water! Better than chicken
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
1:41 PM
Chicken is just one sound away from a fucking German.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
Recordings one feels one must play over and over again
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
That is a garden path sentence with no exit.
"One feels one" sounds like the latest hit of George Michael's.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
lol
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
It's only gay if the ones do not touch.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
1
Q: What's a common way to refer to the algae that is attached to the bottom of a stream/river?

janoChenI'm referring to this: What's a common name to refer to it? Or is algae common enough? (I know seaweed isn't very proper since it's not in the sea).

single-word-requests
0
Q: How refer to the "strands" of algae and their movement in a current?

janoChenI'm referring to the algae attached at the bottom of a river. The one with long "leaves/stands." How are those "extensions" called? And which verb to use to describe their movement with the flow of the rive (I need everyday terminology not scientific one.) Examine: I saw some algae at the bo...

single-word-requests verbs
dupe?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
1:46 PM
Ask him. I've long lost track of his strand of thought. That book's gonna be the bomb-.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@RegDwigнt You have recordings of Germans fucking?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
Note Peter Shor's surprise at learning the truth
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@tchrist you don't? This is the Internet, it's one click away.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Think of the children!
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@RegDwigнt Nobody calls him chicken. Nobody.
 
tchrist
tchrist
2:00 PM
Chicken (gay slang)
Chicken can be used, usually by gay men referring to other gay men, to mean a young gay man or young-appearing gay man - stereotypically describing an adolescent youth, usually one with an innocent nature. Author Bruce Rodgers defines the term as "1. any boy under the age of consent, heterosexual, fair of face, and unfamiliar with homosexuality ("So many chickens were flapping around that I thought we were touring Colonel Sanders' plantation”) 2. juvenile, youthful, young-looking." Others have defined it as a young man who engages in sex for money or favors. In the subculture of the gay ...
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@tchrist In Russian it's cock.
Which in English is of course taken for non-gay stuff.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@RegDwigнt I think English has plenty of gay stuff associated with that.
 
KitFox
KitFox
Cocky.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Cockney.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
 
tchrist
tchrist
2:02 PM
coxswain
coxswained
coxswainless
coxswainship
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@tchrist yeah first they took gay for themselves, then they took cock. Next they'll take chicken and it'll be too late.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Notice the cox’s wain’s hip.
Chicken works better than worms for gay baiting hooks, but only marginally.
 
MrHen
MrHen
2:59 PM
So... is this a more appropriate question for Writers.SE?
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Q: Using quotes around a nickname that's in the possive

user54741I wanted to send a reading list to my dad about the state of the economy. One such commentator is known as "Dr. Doom". I went to write : "Dr. Doom's" view is ... but that didn't look right because his name is Dr. Doom, not Dr. Doom's, so I tried "Dr. Doom"'s view is ... but that looked pretty t...

possessive quotation-marks
I'm still trying to understand the differences between EL&U and Writers.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
This is a question about punctuation. That is not normally covered at writers, afaik
it's covered here quite often
 
MrHen
MrHen
@MattЭллен Really? Bizarre. This doesn't seem like something EL&U can really answer, though. This is purely a stylistic opinion question.
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
yeah, it's for ELU
 
MrHen
MrHen
Not that I'm complaining about having it here.
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
i answered it
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
3:06 PM
 
MrHen
MrHen
It just means that I still have no clue what Writers is for. :P
@JSBձոգչ Right, but your answer is purely Writing advice, yes?
It isn't answering the question from an English punctuation perspective.
You just dodged the real question which is "How do I mark possessives when the noun is in quotes?"
Which, again, I think is a totally appropriate answer.
Namely the answer is, "You don't. Re-write it."
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Q: Possessive pronouns in research papers

NickContrast: In order to develop a relationship between the energy spectra and their corresponding Fourier transforms... with In order to develop a relationship between the energy spectra and the Fourier transforms corresponding to these spectra The first, in my opinion, sounds much smoo...

pronouns possessive research
Alright, how about that one?
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
his is a grammatical question with a writing example
 
MrHen
MrHen
Also, is there a way to search for questions that have been closed for a particular reason?
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
he wants to know if a possessive pronoun can be used when the antecedent is inanimate
the answer is "yes, duh"
 
MrHen
MrHen
"The first, in my opinion, sounds much smoother and more natural. But I'm using a possessive personal pronounce with "spectra". Is this allowed in a formal document like a research article?"
So you are reading "Is this allowed" as a grammar question?
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
3:12 PM
yep
 
MrHen
MrHen
I guess that makes sense
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
well he's misunderstood their to be personal
 
MrHen
MrHen
@JSBձոգչ Mmk. Thanks for the input.
 
KitFox
KitFox
Hiya. I have a workplace politics thing that I'd like to discuss. Anyone feel like it?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
I'm around for 40 minutes more. What's up?
 
KitFox
KitFox
3:19 PM
(Yes, I am seeking advice.)
(Opinions, even.)
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
@JSBձոգչ I don't think I was quite that blunt.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
my opinion is that we'll all be out of work in a decade, as we're faced with the consequences of rampant global warming
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
@KitFox sounds fun but I'm in a hurry, ask fast?
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
@AndrewLeach i was the one being blunt. you are much more polite.
@Kit give me your workplace politics
 
KitFox
KitFox
OK. Yesterday, we had a meeting with 4 employees and 2 bosses in which we discussed the meeting we are having today in 2 hours.
The purpose of this upcoming meeting is ostensibly to learn from the woman who is leaving where she got her data.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
3:22 PM
Pre-meeting. Must be serious.
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
ominous
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
[x] Baklava|meta meetings
 
KitFox
KitFox
It was obvious to me in the pre-meeting that the bosses want the 4 of us to grill her on her methods and find fault with everything she did.
The woman who is leaving is the wife of the former project lead who up and quit last month, giving just one week of notice.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
bitch
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
So they want to get at him through her?
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
3:25 PM
why is there even any confusion about "where she got her data"?
in any case, i would abstain from a mandatory two-minutes hate
 
KitFox
KitFox
Yeah, I don't much like her, and I'm pretty sure her work is crap at best. I thought so when her husband wrote the grant to hire her, and suspected that she didn't do anything while she was here. And the boss seems to think that we should all be as surprised as he is pretending to be that he didn't hold her accountable for any work so she didn't produce any.
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
ask nicely and politely, and ask about things you actually need to know
 
KitFox
KitFox
@JSBձոգչ That's what I want to do and that's what I said in the pre-meeting.
I made it very obvious that I didn't want to participate in evaluating the work of a person who was leaving.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
It does seem more of a managerieal pasttime
 
KitFox
KitFox
And that I consider it a waste of time to have 4 people taken off task so that we can all write down the website and tables that she used.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
3:27 PM
not something someone who is not her manager should be wasting time on
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
@MattЭллен I do
 
KitFox
KitFox
Well, her manager was her husband, except that the big boss was her manager.
Because her husband couldn't be.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@AndrewLeach ha! I make that mistake all the time :D
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
@KitFox So the big boss needs to find out where the data came from.
Or ask to see her documentation which explains it.
And if there isn't any of that, ask for what it should have contained.
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
sounds like the big boss has been negligent by letting her husband be her de facto manager, and is now involved in a CYA operation
 
KitFox
KitFox
3:28 PM
I agree, but he seems much more focused on slinging mud.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
There's no point in doing that if it's going to obscure getting what you need.
 
KitFox
KitFox
And the long and short of it is that I am not sure what to do. I don't like her, I don't like the boss either, but I really don't like what I'm being asked to do.
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
go with the plan of being courteous. the boss can hardly cite you for refusing to be mean.
but get the stuff you need to get
 
KitFox
KitFox
Thing is, I don't need shit. It's not my project, it's not my problem.
 
JSBձոգչ
JSBձոգչ
aha
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
3:32 PM
yeah. get what is imporant.
oh
 
KitFox
KitFox
All he wants, all he cares about, is that we tell him all the things she did wrong.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
Isn't that obvious without the meeting?
 
KitFox
KitFox
Yes, I think so. Which is what makes the meeting feel even worse.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
So let others drive the meeting. Just chime in when you have something useful to ask.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
Can you point out to the boss that you're not needed at the meeting because she's not handing anything over to you?
 
KitFox
KitFox
3:35 PM
No, that won't work, but thanks.
I am concerned that is it going to go down like this for me when I quit.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
seems unlikely. you actually do work
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
@KitFox what is the point in doing it?
 
KitFox
KitFox
That's a good question, @Johan, and one that I wonder why the bosses think that we won't ask.
That's a complex sentence.
What I mean is, the bosses evaded it in the pre-meeting.
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
Then the first thing is to ask that imo
 
KitFox
KitFox
We did ask it.
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
3:38 PM
and they bsed around it
 
KitFox
KitFox
And the long-winded answer amounted to "We don't have a reason."
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
So they've said it's important but not why it's important. Without a reason, it's not important.
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
gotta afk now, back in an hour or so
 
KitFox
KitFox
Yeah. It went like this: "In the conversations since she decided to leave, we've had some doubts about her methods, so we're asking you all to ask her about it so we can have a better understanding of what she's actually done."
"Well, what was her project/what was the context of her work?"
"It was all an open-ended research grant, so she was supposed to have developed her own research questions."
"So then whoever is taking over her data is going to ... write a report, or what?"
"No, no, whoever comes in next will, I guess, um, come up with their own research questions."
"With the same dataset?"
"Uh. Well, it will have to involve the [great big warehouse thingy]."
"So...we don't really need to know what her research was, or what she did then, it seems."
"Well, we need to get an idea of what she accomplished while she was here."
So. What does that sound like to you?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
it sounds like they don't know how to manage people.
 
KitFox
KitFox
3:43 PM
laughs Ain't that the truth.
I just want to stay as far away from it as possible.
But I also feel like I should say something to someone because this just isn't right.
I should not be pitted against co-worker.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
Maybe they want to try and get money back from the grant, or a grant extension so that they have enough money to pay for the next person
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
Why don't they just ask her what she accomplished?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
And I guess they'd need someone who is not them to figure out the shortfalls of the leavers in order to do that
 
KitFox
KitFox
That's a really good question, @Andrew.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
because otherwise maybe they just make it up
I don't know.
They could have at least tried to come up with a reason
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
3:45 PM
Or: why don't the four of you tell her the bosses want to know what she accomplished...
 
KitFox
KitFox
They said in the pre-meeting that they didn't want her to know that's what they were asking us to do.
Which made it feel worse.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
So invite her to present a paper (however incomplete) on her research.
 
KitFox
KitFox
The meeting's in a little over an hour.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
Hm.
 
KitFox
KitFox
I'll not participate in bashing her, but I feel she's being treated unfairly. As a good union member, I feel like I ought to tell somebody.
Even though I don't like her.
And even though I think she's a hack.
And especially even though I think this is the fruit of the crappy management here that allowed her to be hired in the first place.
I am particularly pissed off that the boss is complaining about her not being productive when he was the one who never held her accountable.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
3:51 PM
aye
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
I'm afraid that if they want to know what the results are, that's what needs to be asked. But I have Asperger's; I'm not known for subtlety.
 
KitFox
KitFox
Yes, that's it exactly. Their actions are not in accord with their words. They are lying.
They don't care about any of it. At the core, they want to make her miserable.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
But she's leaving. And you're being made miserable.
All she has to worry about is not getting a reference.
 
KitFox
KitFox
She's leaving for another position in the same University.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
With her husband?
 
KitFox
KitFox
3:56 PM
No.
He moved up. She moved sort of sideways and down.
She was hired here as a research associate to do her doctoral work. She's moving to a research assistantship in a different place.
But she never, never have been hired as a research associate. That was just so they could pay her a lot of money.
The assistantship stipend is about a quarter of her current salary.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
I've gotta run. Good luck!
 
KitFox
KitFox
Thanks!
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
Would it do to make some sort of non-specific threat about her future position if she hasn't fully documented what she's done in the current one before she leaves?
 
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