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1:34 AM
So, what's the deal with closing on topic questions that are useful on this site? Also, closing questions as dupes that arent?
Like, the one above, what is the antonym of digital native?
I found the question useful, and it's clearly on topic. Since usefulness is subjective, why would you assert that you know for sure what is and what is not useful?
Nevermind, I'll just stick to other SE sites, actually. I;m not going to bother.
 
2:18 AM
@NathanCTresch At times, I feel that people who have got a lot of points here, and, therefore, privileges, become very addicted to using those privileges. It's almost like they have got some power over others and just can't help exercising it all the time. Some seem to need a long time to get over this addiction :)
 
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2:55 AM
@brilliant @nathan We do not know for sure what is OT, TL, NC, GR, NR or ED (off topic, too localized, not constructive, general reference, not real, exact duplicate). That is why it takes 5 close votes to close a question. These are just opinions of people. The system is such that mods have a binding vote however.
 
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@brilliant @nathan It's not that we like to close too many questions. Look at the huge volume of questions we get of ESL type which is not what the site is supposed to be. TPTP already want us to close more questions too.
 
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@brilliant With great power comes great responsibility. I am a Peter Parker fan.
 
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@NathanCTresch Perhaps you will find the other sites not too different if you stick around for a while.
 
Hello.
 
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@Mahnax Boo!
 
3:05 AM
@JasperLoy boldly faces booer
You can't scare me with that anymore.
How are you today?
 
@JasperLoy Sure. Except, many people forget about that responsibility once they have gotten power. Or they start viewing that responsibility as only the responsibility to show off their power now.
 
3:51 AM
@brilliant Show off? Enough people complain that there really isn't a point to "showing off"
 
4:22 AM
@simchona What do you mean?
 
5:20 AM
@JasperLoy, no, on the SE site that I'm most active on the mods agree with me that those closures are ridiculous, so I suspect strongly that I will find it to be a great deal different. :P
 
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5:33 AM
@NathanCTresch Well, the mods there might not be active here to have a good feel of the ground situation for one. I would think "ridiculous" is a strong word there! Anyway if you have a problem with a particular question you can always bring it up in chat or on meta.
 
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Wow, I really feel like I'm a Public Relations Officer today!
 
10:09 AM
@NathanCTresch So, since this question is so suitable for stack exchange, what is the correct answer? Based on facts or references, which is the best word or phrase to substitute for "not a digital native" in the given context?
 
Is this a relevant answer? The answer to the question is just "No, it doesn't." The rest of the answer is about the meaning of xyz tax, and if nuisance tax can be used.
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A: Can "nuisance" be an adjective?

user1579No it doesn't. Unfortunately, though this is a slightly unusual usage of "tax". Normally, an X tax is a tax on X; income tax is a tax on your income, sales tax is a tax on the sale being made, window tax was a tax on the number of windows your house had, and so on. In all of these cases, X is o...

 
@kiamlaluno I think it explains that nuisance is being used as a noun, via analogy. probably OK.
oh, I see
"No it doesn't" doesn't make sense
I missed that bit
changing "No it doesn't" to "It isn't in this instance" would make the answer make sense
 
@NathanCTresch Different sites have different rules. You cannot apply the same rules applied to Stack Overflow to EL&U, and moderators on different sites cannot have the same opinion EL&U's moderators have, simply for the fact they don't moderate EL&U.
@MattЭллен I don't buy the explanation he is giving.
 
10:25 AM
@kiamlaluno I see. I don't know either way.
@kiamlaluno I suppose the reasoning is flawed. a nuisance tax is a tax that is a nuisance, not a tax on nuisance, so the analogy is incorrect
 
What is this Workplace.SE thingy...
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Q: Is it appropriate to ask colleagues' mobile numbers on the first working day?

Sarawut PositwinyuAsking phone number might to too personal: should I ask their phone numbers on the first day, or wait until we really need to contact on mobile?

 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 seems like a more general version of Programmers.SE
 
Yes, but...
why?
 
well, the worst bits of P.SE
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 because SE is the best place to discuss subjective issues?
 
It's a site about the workplace.
 
10:30 AM
hmmm, something's not right
 
@MattЭллен Ah! That will be it. I forgot.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Because they did get an ELU Lite-type site.
 
Wait, there's an SOlite version of SOlite?
Not fair.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 That is Yahoo! Answers.
 
Perhaps we shold migrate ELUlite questions there.
 
10:32 AM
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 It's Turtles Lite all the way down.
 
to SOLite? well, English is what a lot of programming language want to be like
 
Just turn "How do I spell 'dog'?" into "How do I ask my colleagues how to spell 'dog'?"
And migrate.
 
How do I spell dog heuristically?
 
Well you just answered your own question!!!
 
10:33 AM
But I need validation!
 
Well here it is: you spell dogs heuristically. Cats, even.
For all your validation needs.
 
I need to see some code.
 
Forget code. Use jQuery.
 
I was thinking Haskell.
 
The people who still do that are few and far between.
 
10:35 AM
mmmm hugs Haskell
 
Although: $('dog').spell('heuristically');
 
Being so much as able to spell Haskell dates you, you digital immigrant.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 See, that's just wrong. I'm a digital tourist.
 
OMG a terrist!
 
And we're all just tourists in this life, he said philosophically.
 
10:36 AM
Jul 29 '11 at 17:29, by RegDwight
Everyone is a pineapple, almost everywhere.
 
May I have an apple pie?
 
We're fresh out of pies. Only square roots left.
 
One day you will buy a tube of toothpaste that will last you the rest of your life. Think about it.
 
Umphhhh! That is my usual luck.
 
what if I'm the first person born who will live forever?
 
10:39 AM
I think at that point I will have no teeth to brush.
 
And if you become a singularity, you still have to brush. It's the rules.
 
damn those rules! Although I do like to clear out the taste of death I have in my mouth every morning. It makes me wonder what I get up to while I'm asleep
 
Obviously you're a vampire. Or a Lycan. I can't remember which.
 
I prefer a square root: the square root of −1.
 
Everyone tries to live forever. How about becoming the first person to try to die forever? Rubbing it in to all religions at once.
 
10:42 AM
@Robusto That would make a lot of sense, what with all the bottles of blood appearing around my flat
 
@MattЭллен I think there's an unguent you can use. Garlic or something. Or try sleeping in a tanning booth.
 
@MattЭллен You could be a blood donator, or confuse tomato sauce with blood.
 
mmmm, unguent
@kiamlaluno oh! right! it's ketchup.
 
Speaking of mmmm. Frühstück.
 
Frühstück schon mal.
 
10:54 AM
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Q: Isn't the "Community Bulletin" deployed in all the sites?

kiamlalunoI thought that the "Community Bulletin" was deployed on all the sites, but I see that English Language & Usage is still using the old block. Is this intentional, or does the block need to be enabled on every single site?

 
ooo. I'd not seen the community bulletin until just now! Thanks
 
 
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12:27 PM
@simchona What words did he exactly use?
 
12:40 PM
questo cazzo?
 
@Robusto Oh, that is this dick. It's not generally used to refer to a person, though. It's more a way of saying "no."
If somebody asks me "Would you help me?" I could answer with Sto cazzo! to mean "No, I would not."
 
I noticed that the Italian Coast Guard told that cruise-ship captain Cazzo! over the radio.
 
@Robusto Yes, but that is still not referred to the person.
When talking of a person you say cazzone.
 
@kiamlaluno In Italian American that becomes Stugots.
@kiamlaluno Can it be used to mean "You got nothing!"
 
@Robusto That is a mis-pronunciation of stu caz[zu].
 
12:50 PM
@kiamlaluno It's an Americanized Italian pronunciation. Manicotti becomes Manigot, cappicoli becomes gobbigool, etc.
These are the descendants of Italian immigrants, not otherwise ethnic Americans mispronouncing Italian.
 
@Robusto Yes, it can, if the question is "What do I get?" or "What do you have for me?"
@Robusto The pronunciation would be correct, if it does not replace the c with the g.
It's closer to stucats.
Cazzo is pronounced as cazz in some Italian dialects, and it's normal to write azz to avoid writing cazzo.
@Robusto They must be descendants of Italian immigrants who didn't speak much Italian in family. The friend I was visiting in USA was raised speaking Italian and American, and she speaks good Calabrian. Although she is American, her Italian is very good. Actually, she studied French, and Spanish, and can speak enough of them to be understood.
In the case she is reading me: Hi, Imani.
 
 
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2:15 PM
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Q: Is "leaning" not a verb?

poorenglishPlease see the following sentence: Detaching itself from the main body of traffic, a lone auto-rickshaw drew up near Porus, the driver leaning out expectantly. Looking at http://tfd.com/leaning I can see it only as a noun and an adjective but not a verb. Is this not a verb in this sentence?

My eyes are still rolling.
 
Careful you could do yourself a mischief!
 
This is worse than "I'm too lazy to get a dictionary"; this is "I have a dictionary, but I am too lazy to get a book on how to use dictionaries".
 
Jumping straight into long sentences before you've mastered individual words: big mistake. And who is going to clear up the mess?
 
I have closed it as rhetorical, because that's what it is, and now I'm off for a walk.
 
Well, have a nice walk!
 
3:23 PM
I've made something!
 
:D
ah Windows though
 
Yes. It's where I do most of my work
Hi @z7sg, long time no see!
 
hi
 
Checking back at EL&U to see if it's improved?
 
it hasn't
 
3:28 PM
lol
ah well. we're trying!
 
it's certainly the best EL&U there is though
 
it is that.
 
i wish someone would answer my jux question
there is a comment which is basically saying "well duh! it's juke!" but it's not obvious to me
 
oh yeah, I saw that
Well, on this descriptivist site, real words are one that people use
 
and i've not seen any evidence of jux usage
 
3:33 PM
nor I
 
instead i am expect to rely on urban dictionary as a source? no no no
don't jux me now
 
no!
the closes OED has is juxt
which is a shortening of juxta, used in 17th Century
personally, jux sounds like just but when it's had that thing happen to is, like ask -> ax
metastasis?
oh! Metathesis.
 
yeah good thought but the meaning doesn't fit
 
How did you come across the word?
 
clojure.core/juxt
i saw the urbandictionary entry for juxt
maybe i should have asked "what does jux mean?" instead, yeah
 
3:46 PM
oh, well juxt is a word that means what that function does!
sort of - it means near by
but, yeah, urban dictionary is full of misfits
 
Greetings.
 
Hello.
 
How's the weather in the UK?
 
rainy
although the sun has just come out!
how's it in Canada?
 
Darn, eh? It was snowing two days ago, and yesterday it was 18˚C.
Ridiculous.
 
3:54 PM
crazy!
 
Yep. That snow is all melted away, of course.
 
mmmm, leaving muddy ground and filth everywhere?
 
Well, a little.
By today's end it should all be dry, the snow melted fast (there wasn't much of it, maybe just four centimetres).
 
I tried installing Matt's thingamajig but I don't have a Windows Sidebar folder. I am considering turning the jig back in for a full refund.
 
do you have a sidebar at all?
 
4:00 PM
Of course.
It's annoying as hell I have no idea how to turn it off.
 
maybe you can make the folders you need
are you running Windows 7?
 
Vista.
Don't judge me.
It was supposed to be my wife's computer.
 
I see. I've not been able to test it on vista. Gadgets might be stored somewhere else
 
Yeah I do wonder where it gets its current three gadgets from.
I searched, but you know how Windows Search can be.
 
Hi Ike,

Gadgets are usually in:
C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\Gadgets

Sometimes in:
C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\Shared Gadgets
&
C:\Users\*USERNAME*\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Sidebar\Gadgets

Hope that helps
 
4:02 PM
lemesee
 
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@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Vista is not bad. Windows is not bad actually.
 
Windows 8 might be hell for developers used to developing for normal windows platforms. I should give it a try, actually.
 
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@MattЭллен Why is that?
 
Okay so now that I've installed Matt's Tetris clone, how do I rotate the pieces? I keep losing.
 
lol
the only way to win is by not playing
 
4:11 PM
No, that's chess.
 
@JasperLoy the new technology relies on COM interop - something notorious for being horrible to use (in terms of software development)
 
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@MattЭллен Windows, Mac and Linux are all starting to look more like one another in terms of the desktop. Similarly, Firefox, Google Chrome and Internet Explorer also seem to copy one another's features.
 
Internet Explorer is still behind the curve under the hood, but yeah, browsers are beginning to look the same
 
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Everything is being merged into Thursagen basically.
 
@JasperLoy windows 8's main page looks more like a tablet app than a normal desktop. I'm not sure if i'll like it.
 
4:15 PM
I dunno so far I am seeing exactly zero browsers that start looking like my NN 4.4
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 have you tried mosaic?
 
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@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 NN44, nice name.
 
@MattЭллен It won't support jQuery.
 
tragedy!
I'll have to upgrade
 
Great, now I have that Bee Gees song stuck in my head.
i'd rather use Mosaic.
 
4:17 PM
I have a fix for you!
just listen to it until it's out of your head
 
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@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 My fix for you would be to listen to another, nicer song that you don't mind getting stuck, like Flying Without Wings.
 
also, while we're talking about epic rap battles:
 
5:15 PM
Shakespeare in an English Language chat room?
How unusual(!)
 
Jez
Forsooth, verily I celebrate its triumphal return!
 
5:41 PM
More sylables in a word makes it instantly more forsooth.
talking poetically sounds forsooth
What is the most widely recognized English word in the world, according to Websters?
 
Jez
"the"?
 
"all correct"
okay :D
 
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6:04 PM
@skullpatrol syllables
 
@JasperLoy The word is OK, the idea of “OK” might be even more universally understood than English.
More evidence of the power of laconicness :D
 
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@skullpatrol You mean "OK" is the most widely recognized word? I meant that you misspelled "syllables".
 
@JasperLoy Yes and thanks for the spelling correction.
 
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@skullpatrol I always use "OK" myself. Many like to use "okay" instead.
 
Some use "O.K."
(where do I put the period after this sentence?)
 
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6:14 PM
@skullpatrol I don't know.
 
Some use "O.K.."
Some use "O.K.".
?
 
if you're going to use a full stop then you put it outside the quotes
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Q: Abbreviations and Full Stops

Ilya BiryukovWhat are the rules for putting a full stop after an abbreviation. For instance, I want to say the following on my business card. Tel: xxx-xxx-xxx Do I need to put a full stop after the Tel? Tel.: xxx-xxx-xxx

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Q: Is it correct to use "punctuation outside of the quotations", or "inside?"

CoreyOr is it region specific? I was always taught that when ending a quotation, that punctuation remains inside of the quote. I think he said, "we should go to the store." Are you sure he said, "we should go to the store?" As opposed to: I think he said, "we should go to the store". Are y...

 
On 23 March 1839, OK was introduced to the world on the second page of the Boston Morning Post, in the midst of a long paragraph, as "o.k. (all correct)".
 
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Wow Carlo got over 1000 rep this month.
 
eeep! at that rate he'll have mod tools in nine more months
 
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6:24 PM
He might run for mod and be a mod in one more month if there were an election.
 
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But is there an upcoming mod election by the way?
 
I don't know.
 
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There is a mod on another site whom I shan't name who has effectively vanished from the site altogether.
 
Reg seemed to be expecting one a while ago. Maybe TBTP have forgotten us
@JasperLoy they've disappeared from the site they're moderating or this one?
 
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@MattЭллен The mod on Site X has vanished from Site X where X is not ELU.
 
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6:27 PM
Someone brought that up on meta and it was decided to just leave things be if it was not causing anyone any problems.
 
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They can always have elections for more mods if necessary.
 
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But I think it would be good of that mod to abandon his position if he is not doing anything.
 
A mod? But his English is certainly not the yellow of the egg.
 
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Long time no see unicorn!
 
Hello Justin
I mean Jasper
 
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6:31 PM
@matt @z7sg Do you use moonlight on Linux?
 
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I think it's supposed to replace silverlight on Windows but it just does not work properly.
 
@JasperLoy I don't use silverlight on Windows
moonlight has no appeal at all :D
 
That doesn't surprise me. I try to stay away from anything like Windows, in my life.
 
you live in a sealed room
 
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@MattЭллен The problem is, I need silverlight to view my local television schedule, hahaha!
 
6:33 PM
@JasperLoy oh no! hopefully moonlight is adequate
mono is pretty good, so there's a chance moonlight is keeping up with silverlight
 
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@MattЭллен It's not, it is an earlier version which does not have the same functionality, and no development is in sight.
 
oh dear
 
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Never mind, I still can view the schedule for the day itself, not the month though.
 
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So don't write your website in silverlight! QED.
 
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Maybe someone will come up with a twilight to replace moonlight soon, hahaha.
 
6:36 PM
I have no intention to. HTML 5 (and it's related paraphernalia) is enough for me
 
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I don't understand how youtube can use HTML instead of Adobe Flash. How does it work?
 
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And can this HTML thing replace Flash altogether in the future?
 
great. I can't just move virtual disk images around. stupid virtual box. I'll have to install windows 8 all over again. FML
@JasperLoy fingers crossed. I've not tried developing with flash, so I don't really know.
@JasperLoy there is a video element in HTML 5
 
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Besides Adobe Flash, the other non-free software that we need is binary firmware for certain wireless cards.
 
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@MattЭллен I see. So it's not that HTML can help play flv videos but only that one can embed non-flv videos in the browser using HTML right?
 
6:41 PM
yes
flv is flash. videos get embedded into flash files, but the video itself will be in another format
however, games like WMT might be more difficult to make without flash. Or they might not. I've not tried to make a flash game for a long time
phew it wasn't so bad! I just had to fiddle with the virtual box manager and I'm back up and running
 
Why is the f-word considered so offensive?
 
i don't consider it offensive
it doesn't bother me at all
 
In general.
 
because sex is a taboo subject and fuck is very old word
I imagine it gets its power from being of Germanic origin, which means lower classes would have used it, whereas middle classes would have used euphemisms and upper classes would have used French or Latin based words
 
6:56 PM
It will identify the quality of your character?
 
Although, I suppose one would expect that the older the word, the less taboo it would be
@skullpatrol Yes. Although I'm hypothesising. Take what i'm saying with a pinch of salt
here's something from the OED:
> Despite widespread use over a long period and in many sections of society, fuck remains (and has been for centuries) one of the English words most avoided as taboo. Until relatively recently it rarely appeared in print, and there are still a number of euphemistic ways of referring to it (compare e.g. eff v., feck v.2, F-word n., F-word v.); ferk in quot. 1680 at sense 1c probably likewise shows a deliberately altered spelling.
 
it has Germanic power? now you are starting to scare me a little
 
> It is also frequently written with asterisks, dashes, etc., to represent suppressed letters, so as to avoid the charge of obscenity. Modern quotations for the term before the 1960s typically come from private sources or from texts which were privately printed, especially on the mainland of Europe.
> Bailey (1721) included the word (defined ‘Foeminam Subagitare ’), but not Johnson (1755), Webster (1828), and later 19th- and early 20th-cent. dictionaries. Partridge (1937) included the word as ‘f*ck ’, noting that ‘the efforts of James Joyce and D. H. Lawrence have not restored it to its orig. dignified status [in dictionaries]’.
> A gradual relaxation in the interpretation of obscenity laws in the U.K. followed the unsuccessful prosecution in 1960 of Penguin Books Ltd. (under the Obscene Publications Act of 1959) for the publication in the London edition of D. H. Lawrence's Lady Chatterley's Lover (see, for example, quot. 1928 at sense 1b). The first modern dictionary of general English to include an entry for the verb fuck was G. N. Garmonsway's Penguin English Dictionary of 1965.
@z7sgѪ aye. like a firework. starts with a fizz, ends with a bang. You want to step back when using it
 
hmm "...remains (and has been for centuries) one of the English words most avoided as taboo."!!!
Taboo, offensive, and obscene sum it up.
It makes a good contrast with "OK." ;)
@MattЭллен Thanks for the OED info.
 
no probs :) my library card has opened up OED.com to me!
 
7:12 PM
Cool.
 
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@MattЭллен Congrats! That was because I just told them to do so for you.
 
@JasperLoy heh, it's more that Vitaly told me it might work if I used my library card number to sign in!
 
@Gigili if he edits many more times, the answer will become a wiki.
 
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@Gigili What's wrong? Just let him edit as he pleases. Sometimes I do that too.
 
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7:24 PM
@MattЭллен Then he can flag for a mod to unwiki it I think.
 
@MattЭллен That and the edit history is really interesting, just some minor edits.
 
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@Gigili Well, just a bad day for him then.
 
@JasperLoy oh, that's good. I didn't know they could unwiki things :)
 
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@MattЭллен Mods can do over 9000 things.
 
so I hear
 
7:28 PM
@JasperLoy I didn't forbid him.
 
7:43 PM
What's this called in English? something I leave to someone, so that I take it back later
 
lending, perhaps?
instead of leave, do you mean give?
if you leave something to someone, that normally means they'll get it when you're dead
If you leave some task to someone, then that means you'll let them get on with it and not interfere
 
@MattЭллен yes, like I give my car to you because you need it, and I expect you to return it back the next day
 
@Meysamرهادربند yes, that is lending
 
@MattЭллен thanks
 
no trouble :)
 
7:46 PM
and what is it called if you wouldn't return it? embezzlement?
 
stealing
 
@Meysam I would say that is stealing
 
in Britain it's called theft
 
@Cameron I am sort of looking for a legal term
 
but in what jurisdiction?
 
7:49 PM
You have to return it to them, you have to ...
 
embezzlement is specifically related to financial law breaking.
 
@Gigili have to what?
 
@z7sgѪ When you lend something.
 
maybe it's called barratry?
 
@Meysamرهادربند no, that's filing lots of frivolous law suits
@Meysamرهادربند as z7sg said, theft is a good term. It's used in legal jargon, e.g. GTA - Grand Theft Auto
which is legal jargon for stealing a car
well, it is in America
 
7:53 PM
@MattЭллен GTA is the best game ever!
 
@Meysamرهادربند :D it is a pretty good game. I've not played IV though
I think GTA:Vice City was my favourite
 
@MattЭллен I played it on XBOX, that was awesome
my favorite part was when riding in car, listening to the Journey radio station
 
yeah, that's good :D I love the radio stations.
 
@Gigili Do you know the translation of "khianat dar amanat" in English?
 
I wonder how you could ride a car!
 
7:58 PM
@Gigili ok I drived it :D
 
@Meysamرهادربند Betraying one's trust, maybe?
I don't know if it's grammatical.
 
@Gigili I don't know either!
 
@Gigili this is grammatical
 
See, Matt knows everything.
 
oh, yes. of course. I couldn't have 9733 reps otherwise!
 
8:02 PM
Indeed.
 
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8:18 PM
@MattЭллен That's because you got many presents!
 
well, yeah, that too :D
 
@Gigili shotgun
 
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I will try to comment on all of Kris's answers now that I see!
 
@z7sgѪ So one can even drive a horse.
 
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@Gigili A toy horse, maybe.
 
8:25 PM
@JasperLoy What's the difference between what Kris is doing and what Carl's doing?
I think they are all the same person.
 
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@Gigili No, they are different. Kris is a bit like Thursagen but Carlo is not. QED.
 
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In fact I think Carlo's answers are better than Kris's.
 
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I wonder if Eugene will come to chat again. Maybe he is still thinking that I ignored him.
 
@Gigili You certainly can drive a horse!
 
@z7sgѪ Sorry but I cannot.
 

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