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7:00 PM
Rihanna is a silly name anyway.
Is it (Ma)rianne, or Hannah?
 
She sings "Eh" better than anyone.
 
Oh, she's black!
That makes sense.
Huh.
She's only signing "eh" in the background?
You're sure she isn't that guy?
 
Is she black?
I guess that's coffee with cream.
 
I don't know, are Somalians black?
They are to me.
Not to my mother.
(Just an example.)
Did you know that, in Somalia, darker people have higher status?
 
@tchrist 1024 would be more interesting.
 
7:04 PM
> As of 2012, Rihanna has sold more than 25 million albums and 60 million digital singles worldwide since the beginning of her career in 2005, which makes her one of the best selling artists of all time
 
Well, a bit, anyway.
 
> Her mother is Monica Braithwaite, a retired Afro-Guyanese accountant, and her father is Ronald Fenty, a warehouse supervisor of Barbadian and Irish descent.
 
My friend worked with refugees. One comparatively pale refugee from Somalia said, "it's really difficult for us whites in Somalia, you will know what it's like".
Which was kind of hilarious.
My friend is white.
The suggestion was that "us" were in the same boat, and the black higher-ups had sent my white friend to deal with the refugees.
Or something.
 
I seem to recall that deeper black = more African.
 
7:07 PM
In most countries, darker = lower status.
But not in Somalia, apparently.
It might be a more local phenomenon.
 
In most predominantly white countries.
Not in Africa.
 
Also in black Africa.
Like Sudan.
Somehow people from Ethiopia and Somalia have very different features from the rest of black Africa: narrow noses, narrow faces.
 
I thought Disturbia was Britney Spears. Shows how on top of things I am.
 
Or so it appears to a superficial layman.
@KitFox We're getting old.
 
Yeah I don't think I could name 3 Rihanna songs.
 
7:09 PM
Not that I would have known ten years ago.
Her music is horrible btw.
The Eh song.
As bad as Britney.
 
I hear it on the radio sometimes, when I listen to pop music, and I always hate it.
 
Yeah stop doing that.
 
I don't mind pop music.
I prefer it when I'm stripping.
 
My parents switched to Radio Suisse Classique on my recommendation, very pleasant channel, no commercials.
...
 
@KitFox I try not to strip and drive, though.
And I only listen to radio in the car
 
7:11 PM
@Mitch Unless you're a mod.
 
Why can't I type "..." twice in a row with other lines in between?
I really want to say "...".
 
@Cerberus dupe message detector, probably
...
 
I know.
 
'Twas a rhetorical question.
A lamentation.
 
7:12 PM
@Cerberus well, why ask it then? You know perfectly well why.
 
"Dupe message detector"
wow. it really removes repeats.
 
The illocutionary function was "lamentation", a form of Expressive.
 
"Dupe message detector"
 
why?
 
@Mitch to prevent duplicates.
 
7:12 PM
You never knew?
 
To prevent spam.
 
sometimes you want to repeat things.
 
You know what I really don't understand?
 
and really mean them.
 
7:13 PM
Why they allow long lines, but only if they contain returns.
 
To prevent duplicates when you have to retry sending a message
 
Yes, I do know what you really don't understand.
 
@Cerberus yeah that's weird.
 
I mean, the spamminess of long lines is already (properly) mitigated by the "read more" button.
 
sometimes you want to repeat things.
sometimes you want to repeat things.
like that?
 
7:14 PM
Cheater.
 
Sometimes you want to repeat things.
Sometimes you want to repeat things.
 
hmm..I don't have the patience, but I bet we could make this chat stuff turing complete, using references and the remove duplicate feature.
 
35 secs ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Sometimes you want to repeat things.
 
Paste a very long (single) paragraph into chat. It will say "too long". Then add a shift-enter somewhere, and you will be able to post it.
 
7 secs ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
35 secs ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Sometimes you want to repeat things.
7 secs ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
7 secs ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
35 secs ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Sometimes you want to repeat things.
 
7:15 PM
...
 
...
 
that worked.
 
lll
whoops, fingers on wrong row
 
that was too much
 
7:16 PM
@Mitch nah
that doesn't really repeat it though
 
oh..you did that already.
 
1 min ago, by Cerberus
28 secs ago, by Cerberus
Thanks, we get it now.
 
@Mitch No I just kept quoting each successive message
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 there's a way to quote something in the future. It's as risky as touching a baby.
 
@Mitch I'm confident with babies.
Not so confident with time-travel
36 secs ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
I just quoted something totally random
whoa
I just quoted something totally random
 
7:19 PM
Random indeed.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 well, I figure if you got babies down, time travel won't be a big deal. except for the snot.
yeah, it only works until the timer goes off.
 
Unless you're a mod.
 
@KitFox mod's can time travel?
 
They can change history
make it so your parents never met
 
@KitFox Nice!!
 
7:21 PM
We still have some limitations.
 
Ever stop to wonder why this world is so fucked up? Because SE moderators have been tinkering. It's the butterfly effect.
That's why I didn't run for the job. Too much power. I'd become evil.
 
But.. you'd have the power.
 
There is no narrative where I get the power and don't become evil.
 
I don't see the problem. Once you're evil you won't care that you're evil.
 
but from my current perspective I care about not becoming evil.
kinda like dying. Once i'm dead I won't care that I'm dead.
But right now I kinda don't wanna die.
Dammit Google! Even the shitty 8GB Nexus 4 is sold out forever! Why can't I order it, for eventual delivery? Why, Why!
 
7:25 PM
Aug 8 at 0:58, by KitFox
Except that I messed with the room name earlier in a power-crazed fugue state.
Hahaha. I forgot I wrote that. I was looking for something else.
 
You can make sure none of us remember it.
 
I can't find it. Something about messed up calculations...Well. The moment's gone anyway.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Funny you should say that.
The word "become".
 
I'm hungry. My baby sandwich didn't fill me up as much as I thought.
 
@KitFox see it even worked on you.
 
7:28 PM
@Cerberus what about it?
 
@Cerberus that's not funny.
 
It implies you are now non-evil.
 
more evil?
 
@Cerberus oh. yes. That implication is intended.
 
How original.
 
7:30 PM
 
Let's see: Don't use Apple products, check. Speak out against intolerance on my blog which nobody reads, check. Holds door for people? check. Looks like I'm not evil!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 how about revolving doors?
holding them for people is kinda evil.
 
@Mitch Yeah I don't hold those. Actually I try to avoid them. Those doors are inherently evil.
Example of my struggle against evil: I have an almost overwhelming urge to taze anyone who gets off an escalator and then just stands there. Instead I just knock them down and trample them. See? Progress.
 
@Mitch As an aspect of my evil, I enjoy holding doors for people who are quite far away, causing them to hurry up, even to run, even to run with packages so as not to waste my meaningless kindness. True evil is subtler than you think.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 All this must be part of some scheme.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Progress in the physical sense, yes.
@Robusto That's like screwing over friends.
Nice.
 
7:43 PM
@Cerberus I don't do it to friends.
 
Well...
The person running to the door is trying to be polite.
So a semi-friend.
And you reward his behaviour thusly.
 
@Cerberus Hey, I'm holding the door open for them. How is this not a gesture of accommodation?
 
And when you're screwing them over, how is that not a gesture of appreciation?
 
@Cerberus Explain how I am screwing them over?
 
It's just a comparison.
Details, details.
 
7:48 PM
@Cerberus *thus
 
@Cerberus I compare you to a carton of yogurt. That is just a comparison too.
 
@tchrist That was on purpose.
@Robusto Racist.
 
Thought maybe.
 
@Cerberus What, you have some prejudice against yogurt?
 
And it is inaccurate as a racial slur anyway: Dutchmen are commonly called either cheeseheads (by foreigners) or milk bottles (by our own blacks).
Pick a different type of dairy.
I only like yoghurt in sauces.
 
7:51 PM
@Cerberus Who says this has anything to do with what Dutchmen are commonly or not commonly called?
In fact, I am more interested in the carton than the yogurt as a comparator.
 
Then eat the carton, as you wish.
 
I don't plan to eat it. I only use it as a comparator.
 
@Robusto I'm trying to be "offended", work with me here.
@MattЭллен Hello.
 
hello!
 
7:53 PM
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^?
 
@Cerberus I would never try to offend you. Not deliberately.
 
comparison operators
 
@Robusto How boring.
No fun.
 
7:54 PM
similar to comparators?
 
@MattЭллен You're a comparison operator!
 
~=
 
@Cerberus Boring for you. Fun for me.
 
@Robusto Well. Well. You're a boolean or
 
@MattЭллен I am an XOR.
 
7:55 PM
harumph!
 
@Robusto See? You're evil.
 
@Cerberus Here. Let me hold the door for you.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 oh..like a group of people standing in the middles of a sidewalk. just plow through.
 
runs into door, nose bleeding
Damn you, why did you hold it just at that angle?
 
Only one nose bleeding? I'll have to try harder.
 
7:59 PM
@MattЭллен a boolean or a what?
 
@Mitch "plow through" is what I do to the people who don't stand clear of the subway doors, when I am trying to get off. It's basic physics: they cannot occupy my spot on the train until I leave the train, so GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY.
 
If you were in England, you would have to "plough through" the crowd.
 
@Mitch xor not
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 !! yeah, that's just dumb. But same as with elevators. people don't realize there's someone in the space they'd like to inhabit.
 
@Robusto But then I'd be getting off the "tube" instead of the "subway" too
 
8:01 PM
> Q. Probable Gay Teenage Son: I am fairly sure my 16-year-old son is gay, based on his choice of pornography found on his computer. I mentioned it to him but he said he isn't. There have been other minor indications since he was a child. So, not a complete surprise. Since I don't have a choice whether he is or isn't, I will support him. He's a great kid, smart, cooperative, helpful. However, should I mention this probability to his mom now or wait for him to sort out his position?
> I am sure she would be supportive too, but for now mentions girlfriends, marriage, hetero topics, etc., in general discussions, typical mom to teenage son comments. And, if we both know, then should the 18-year-old brother (at a nearby college now) be told or let younger brother tell him on his own whenever? Meal-time conversations may be a bit silted and clue-filled if mom has to change her comments.
 
@Robusto probably atheists. if they're ploughing through babies.
 
Funny question to Prudie, "based on his choice of pornography".
 
@Cerberus Once you know your kids are aware of sex and how it works, it's best to just leave the topic alone. You can't win, and it's none of your business anyway.
 
Yeah, I agree.
This father seems very sensible about it.
 
I would not even have mentioned it to him.
 
8:03 PM
Telling mom or not is a reasonable dilemma.
 
In fact, I wouldn't be prowling around his computer either. Some doors are best left unopened.
 
The mom probably has known forever.
 
@Robusto Yeah, probably a mistake; then again, it may make things a bit easier later on.
@Robusto Of course, but let's assume it happened by accident.
 
SHe was hiding it from the husband.
 
@Mitch Very well possible.
I should husband and wife should be allowed to discuss such topics.
 
8:04 PM
The probable gay son is probably the last to 'know'.
 
@Cerberus I would pretend I hadn't seen it. Only if my son came to me and initiated a conversation about it would I become engaged on the topic.
 
@Robusto yeah, seriously, this is the part that I would hesitate to bring up with my wife. Not "I think my son is gay", but rather "I found porn on my son's computer"
 
Unless the father can talk about it with his son and the latter has requested he keep it to himself for a limited period.
 
Don't want to have that conversation.
Better to have the "this is how you delete your browsing history" conversation with the son, I think.
 
@Robusto Yeah, I would probably do the same thing...then again, if you push him to talk about it sooner, you may make his life a little bit easier a little bit earlier.
@Mitch Yeah, right, his choice of pornography means nothing...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Of course you don't mention the porn.
 
8:07 PM
@Cerberus some people are good at self-denial.
 
Well, I don't believe in true denial.
 
@Cerberus But then how do you raise the topic with your wife? "I think Jr. is gay". "Why do you say that?" "uh, no reason"
 
Yes.
You decline to comment on how you found out.
She will probably understand.
 
If she is the understanding type, then you can just tell her about the porn.
 
I just think the father deserves someone to talk to about this.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't think that that is an appropriate subject.
 
8:09 PM
@Cerberus why not?
actually nevermind
I don't want to discuss porn. Instead I want to discuss a brilliant idea I just had
 
Parents + porn = [to be censored]. Similarly, child + porn = [to be censored]. The two should never occur in the same sentence.
 
go for it.
 
Imagine a live wallpaper for your android phone that makes the fingerprints on the screen invisible
 
Oh?
 
if it doesn't work out, just tell us another dream.
 
8:10 PM
Do you need a wallpaper for that?
My phone does that just fine with the screen off!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 is the screen have that good resolution?
 
with the screen off is when the fingerprints are most visible
 
But seriously, it might look cool. I say go for it.
 
@Mitch Well, the better phones are supposedly using pixels too small for you to see
 
that's the visual resolution..you'd also need the touch resolution to know where the fingerprints are, right?
 
8:12 PM
@Mitch Actually, yes.
 
or the smudges.
 
I just hate having to clean off my four work phones just because I have oily skin. I want the phone to hide the fingerprints.
 
I'm surprised at how good it looks.
 
@Mitch Yeah. Actually there's probably no way for the phone to detect it. But I can dream!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 also difficult to pphone and have snacks at the same time.
 
8:12 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Pro tip: wipe the screen on your pants or shirt. The prints come right off.
 
I'm looking at a picture of a finger print now. On my phone.
 
@Robusto Oh, I know. I'm obsessive about it.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 there's a low tech version and that is to have a busy wall paper, anything camouflagish.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, there is no way. Alas.
 
@Robusto I don't think you get it. That's not automatic.
 
8:13 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Really? Who cares?
I never ever notice any finger prints consciously.
 
But when the screen is lit you can't see the prints anyway. You can only see them when it's off. So what good would it do?
 
@Cerberus ??
taken from the iphone?
 
@Mitch You OK?
 
@Cerberus Yeah..why? do I look pale? er... paler?
 
@Mitch Please refrain from using this blasphemous word in connection with myself in the future, thank you.
 
8:14 PM
@Robusto yeah. I guess what I need is a butler, to stand beside me, and wipe off the phones whenever I put one down.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Talk to @Cerberus. Perhaps he can get Lord Grantham from Downton Abbey to loan you a servant or two.
 
@Cerberus um... you mean the ... phone with an 'i' up front? Really? nobody complains about Windows anymore, just Apple?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 that's a cool invention. a person that does it for you.
 
@Mitch Haven't you heard? Cerb loves Windows XP.
 
@Robusto We had to let the last of the servants go decades ago, alas.
@Mitch Yes. Because Apple is worse than Microsoft ever was.
 
BTW, yesterday I had a look at the Windows phone at the Verizon store yesterday. Just out of curiosity. I didn't think it was awful. Some thing about it were nice.
 
8:17 PM
Yeah, I'm sure it's nice.
 
@Robusto I heard that Lady Brackenell is scheming to steal him by enticing him with the scullery maid.
 
The coloured tiles have a pleasant look about them.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, not exactly love...it's just a fine OS and I see no reason to go through the trouble of switching.
 
@Cerberus am I getting myself into a religious war? like between the polygamous Mormons and the Mormons that profess not to like polgamy?
 
@Mitch More like between the Spanish Inquisition and the Liberal Free-Thinkers; but, yes, a religious war it kind of is.
 
@Robusto "Just out of curiosity", suuuuuuuuuure. Famous last words.
 
8:19 PM
Just out of curiosity, I kidnapped a baby.
 
@Cerberus The Spanish Inquisition could liberally free-think all they wanted backstage.
 
See? That's how it always starts.
 
@Cerberus How did it taste?
 
@Cerberus scaly, right?
 
I let it go. It was too annoying.
And I couldn't handle changing it.
 
8:20 PM
@Cerberus slippery from the snot.
 
@Mitch Hmm possibly.
@Mitch Eww.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh, I'm not going to buy one. I was actually expecting to hate and dismiss it immediately. But I found I couldn't do that. It even ran the site I'm currently working on pretty much without flaw. And it was fast.
 
@Cerberus changing them is... well not as terribly disgusting as you can imagine. An adult.._that_ is nasty.
 
@Robusto Of course. I think the three OSes are all three basically OK.
But you will probably run into customizability and compatibility issues upon further testing.
 
@Robusto a hearty 'good for them'! 5 years ago none of this existed. 5 years from now... maybe something else entirely.
 
8:22 PM
@Mitch You have done both?
 
@Robusto I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be a perfectly good phone that does relatively poorly in the marketplace, but maybe enough to become an annoying third-party platform that we have to support
 
@Cerberus Ha ha.
No.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It will be exactly that.
People like the Lumia 920.
@Mitch That wasn't funny.
 
@Cerberus things are already like that.
 
Yes.
 
8:23 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The latter issue was my fear. But if it handles the Web as well as webkit browsers, without modification, then it affects my workload not at all.
 
And they will be too.
 
@Cerberus Well, maybe not. There is still a non-zero chance that it will go the way of the Zune. And Blackberry isn't completely dead. I won't rule them out yet.
 
@Cerberus it was a cold dark laugh.
 
One does not follow from the other, you know.
@Mitch Oh, then it's all right.
 
@Robusto Until next year, when there are 8 current IE versions including mobile versions, and a zillion different webkit variants
 
8:24 PM
Stop trying to torture me.
 
you would not believe how many different webkit variants I was able to scrape together on just 5 phones
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I sort of rule out BB. And WP seems to be on track so far.
 
orkut, wave, +, (there was another one, right?) all were touted then fell away to their minor subgenres.
 
Kut haha.
Oorkut.
What kind of a name is that?
Earcunt.
 
a dumb name.
catchy?
 
8:25 PM
Indeed.
I heard it was extremely popular in Brazil.
 
Earworm..not catchy.
 
Like FB.
 
or rather...I don't want to catch it.
 
@Mitch No comment.
 
@Mitch orkut was acquired, I think... and it was popular in some countries but not North America. wave was a new medium, not a social network. It was a solution in need of a problem. Google+ isn't dead yet. It's growing, but it isn't necessarily filling the niche of Facebook.
 
8:26 PM
We have earworms.
 
無駄
 
We call this an Oorwurm.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 FB might become permanent if it will only pursue the minimal energy needed to become an OS.
 
@Mitch Naaaah I don't believe one bit of it.
 
that looks like an 'earwig' to me,
 
8:27 PM
Not even Google could do it.
With their Chrome OS.
@Mitch Is that what you call them?
 
@Cerberus is your opinion of google better than Apple?
 
Yes.
Much better.
 
@Cerberus yes. it's a myth that they have anything at all to do with your ear.
 
Apple is a brutal dictator; Google is an insidious spy.
@Mitch Same here.
Some children believed that oorwurmen liked to crawl into your ear.
 
@Cerberus I'll accept those metaphors. if by brutal you mean they really do know what's better for you, if that's waht you want to do.
 
8:29 PM
Because of the name, probably. Why they are called thus I know not.
@Mitch If that's what you want to do?
 
Guinea worms do all sorts of .... burrowing.
 
Let's not go there...
I need to buy food anyway.
 
@Cerberus "YOu can have it any color you want as long as it's black...err shiny silver"
 
Hahaha.
Yes!
 
Here's what I like about Google: You can have android and give nothing back to Google.
 
8:31 PM
I was rather thinking of their attempts to make jailbreaking illegal in your country and of their patent-trolling.
cue Mrs H
 
@Cerberus that's annoying yes.
 
You don't need to register with them. You don't need to use their app store. You can use multiple accounts. You can install a third-party modification of their OS.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Agreed.
 
who is Mrs H?
 
Look around.
Huh, has she changed her name?
 
8:32 PM
He's talking about me. In the old days you could ping me with @mrs
it doesn't work anymore
 
ohhh...
 
Too bad.
Okay, alligator!
 
alligator baby?
 
I kinda think ;good for them' (apple) because they were the underdog for so long, and then along came the ip.... ops almost said it. now they're popular. I'm not going to root for MS, they're the falling greek empire.(or is that IBM?)
 
8:34 PM
@Cerberus see! scales! augh!
 
@Mitch heh IBM is far from an empire
 
certainly was at one time.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Lator!
 
(that book, Alligator baby, features possibly the dumbest parent characters in fiction)
@Cerberus Ah. In a while, turnstile
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 some popular 'under 5' books are just idiotic.
 
8:37 PM
@Mitch In Alligator Baby, the parents are having a baby, but end up at the zoo, and come home with various animal babies instead of their newborn, which they've misplaced
 
like the Hobbit...what kind of ring makes you invisible? that's just stupid.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 oh... yeah... the idea of literature as nightmare seeds.
great.
and grown up furries.
 
@Mitch I am reading "The Hobbit" to my four-year-old. It's a slow process. There are way more words in that book than I remember.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I tried Treasure Island...gah, was that long. took forever to get to anything remotely resembling action. Pages and pages worrying about the 'black hand'. What the hell was that?
 
@Mitch hah, I haven't read that yet. I started reading it the other day and got bored.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I think it's age. I've reseen 2001 and Blade Runner and both bored the crap out of me.
 
8:42 PM
@Mitch I like Blade Runner. But yeah, some things just aren't as good as they used to be.
 
8:53 PM
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Q: The "only...but" problem

tylerharmsI had a heated discussion with a friend over email, and I concluded it by saying: I know you were trying to help. That was the edited version of what I had originally written, which was: I know you were only trying to help. I decided against using "only" because I thought it begged a...

Narq?
I don't get what his problem is.
Not only don't I get it, but I don't really care, either.
 

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