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6:00 PM
No way!
@Kos how can you say that?
One is a diphthong, the other has geminated r. It isn't possible.
 
Most parts of the US don't distinguish these two.
 
Rubbish!
 
New Yorkers also distinguish "Aaron" from "Erin".
 
@Cerberus I don't really distinguish between them unless I am around people who do.
 
But most people don't.
 
6:02 PM
@MrHen: I was just trying to provoke Kos but he didn't bite.
 
@Cerberus What a fairy.
 
I know!
 
@Cerberus I'm far too aware of this dialect stuff to get defensive :)
 
And... I probably just used up my offensiveness allotment for the day.
 
I remember once, one of my co-workers (not a linguist) was talking with me about silly things that moms say.
 
6:04 PM
@Kos: Yeah I'd have been surprised if you'd fallen for it, but that would have meant more points if you did.
 
Her example was that her mom calls the "ferry" the "fairy".
 
@MrHen: You are too good for this world.
*chat
 
If you head down south, they have even less distinctions, what with the pin/pen merger.
 
Oh right.
But RP is supposed to distinguish fairy and ferry, I should think?
 
@Kosmonaut That and everything takes twice as long to say.
 
6:06 PM
Might be. I don't know all the ins and outs of UK dialects.
 
The distinction is very small in any case I think...
 
And besides pronunciation, there are also words and syntactic constructions that differ in NY.
 
OED says fairy is a diphthong: it is ferry + added shwa.
 
@Kosmonaut It was a source of much hilarity to us as children (growing up in the south of England) when my sister asked my father how to spell "furry", and he (from Liverpool) responded by asking, "Do you mean furry like a teddy bear, or a furry that grants wishes?"
 
@psmears Haha
 
6:07 PM
Aww.
 
Does any part of the U.S. say burry when they mean bury?
To rhyme with furry?
I pronounce bury as berry.
 
Sounds more like a foreign thing.
 
@Robusto Me too.
 
I think I pronounced it burry when I was young.
 
My wife says burry though.
 
6:09 PM
Really?
Cool.
 
@Robusto And me...
 
Really. And we are both from the Chicago area.
 
Do you think it is hypercorrection? Some sort of subregional thing?
 
I don't know where she gets that.
 
Is she prone to correcting you?
 
6:12 PM
No. She just calls me an idiot. Does that count?
 
@Cerberus Yes, that's pretty much how I pronounce "fairy."
 
@Robusto Depends. How many years have you been married?
 
Long enough to have kids in college.
 
Then it probably doesn't count: she's just stating facts.
]:)
 
/Sigh .... it's true.
"A man may be a fool and not know it, but not if he is married." — H. L. Mencken
4
 
6:15 PM
That's going on the best-of list.
 
Judging by my parents, once you get past 40 years of wedded whatever-it-is, just being near each other is enough to turn you into blithering idiots who can't blink without pushing each other's buttons.
(I wonder if it's lack of generational experience with long marriages: none of their parents or grandparents lived long enough to be married more than 25 years.)
 
Well, it's not like that. We actually are very happily married. She calls me an idiot usually when I make her laugh so hard she spills her beverage. Or when I tease her. Or do something she disapproves of. Etc. The usual.
 
That sounds lovely, actually. :)
I approve of making your spouse laugh so hard that he or she spills something.
 
aw, i would star that message, except that it would look incongruous with all of the other cynical and sarcastic stars that are up there
 
(Around here, we have the concept of "breaking" someone. This usually means making them laugh so hard that they practically can't breathe.)
 
6:25 PM
@Martha That's one of the best things in life.
 
@Kosmonaut I agree. :) (Do you also call it "breaking"? As in, "Whoops, there she goes. Lewis, you broke Gisela again."?)
 
It's actually a terrifying experience. To be so helpless with laughter you can't draw a breath — you wish it would stop, but you can't stop watching or listening.
 
@Martha I can imagine saying that, but I wouldn't say it's a set phrase in my circles.
 
Some Albert Brooks movies have done that to me. So has Steve Martin. I remember reading that Carrie Fisher said she hated to see Albert Brooks show up at parties, because she was afraid she would get high and he would follow her around and make her laugh until she died.
 
@Robusto lol
Albert Brooks starred in perhaps the best Simpsons episode ever.
(IMO)
 
6:30 PM
The one where he was the head of the cult?
 
No, but that one is also good, if you are referring to the Stonecutters
That one had Patrick Stewart I believe.
No, it's the one with Hank Scorpio, when the Simpsons move to a new community.
@RegDwight always uses that "kill it with fire" picture... it's from that episode
 
But the community turns out to be a scam, right?
 
Scorpio turns out to be a Bond villain
other than that, the community works fine
well, and Bart gets put in the special ed class with the Canadian kid
 
If you have never seen Real Life, I recommend it highly.
 
"They think I'm sloh cuz I'm from Canada eh"
 
6:33 PM
Real Life is an American comedy film released in 1979. The first feature directed by Albert Brooks, who also co-authored the screenplay, it is a spoof of the 1973 reality television program An American Family and portrays a documentary filmmaker named Albert Brooks who attempts to live with and film a dysfunctional family for one full year. Cast * Albert Brooks .... Albert Brooks * Charles Grodin .... Warren Yeager * Frances Lee McCain .... Jeannette Yeager * J. A. Preston .... Dr. Ted Cleary * Matthew Tobin .... Dr. Howard Hill * Jennings Lang .... Martin Brand * David Spielberg ......
The premise is "What if a real Hollywood hack decided to film a PBS documentary."
 
Oh, it also has Charles Grodin
 
@Kosmonaut What's the distinction drawn by spelling it "sloh" rather than "slow"?
 
No diphthong
 
ok... is that typically Canadian?
 
"Brooks directed his first feature film, Real Life, in 1979. The film, in which Brooks obnoxiously films a typical suburban family in an effort to win both an Oscar and a Nobel Prize, was a sendup of PBS's An American Family documentary. It has also been viewed as foretelling the future emergence of reality television."
 
6:41 PM
Meh I am even enjoying these marriage jokes even though I'm not married.
 
@psmears It's just a weird pseudo-Canadian accent that they used for that line.
But, in some regions of Canada, yes, it might be like that.
 
Fair enough... I think all but the "eh" would be lost on me :)
 
Do you guys know this accents guy? He is the best I have ever seen, so far as I can judge, that is.
 
— Heh, here's another one for you then, also from Mencken:
"It is better to give than to receive — for example, wedding presents."
 
He is also quite hilarious. Skip his into talk though.
@Rob: Hmm I'm afraid I don't quite get it... it is worse to receive them because you need to send endless thank-you cards and display the ugly stuff in your house?
 
6:44 PM
@Cerberus I agree. You don't get it
 
I was right then!
Could you be persuaded to explain it?
 
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Q: What is a good starter firearm for children?

Javid JamaeWhat is a good firearm to start children ages 6-12 on for target practice and gun-safety education? Is it best to start with pellet, airsoft, or bebe guns, or go straight to a real firearm? Should you start with rifles or handguns?

 
Haha no way!
I bet that guy is from Europe.
 
Texas.
 
What!?
 
6:47 PM
i always get Europe confused with Texas
 
Personally, I prefer Howitzers for my kids until they're big enough for the heavy stuff.
 
Where, exactly, in Europe do you equip 6-year olds with firearms?
 
In the part of Europe that we unfortunately lost to this independence movement.
 
@Cerberus — If you are receiving wedding presents it means you are getting married.
 
@Rob: I don't get it. Surely no-one would recommend the trap women catch men with that they call marriage?
 
6:50 PM
@Cerberus — Never mind.
 
(Sorry, cynicism is an inveterate disease...)
 
@RegDwight sigh
 
@Cerberus — That' guy is pretty good. Not perfect — he wouldn't fool me with his U.S. accents — but he could pass for any of the others and I would be none the wiser. I picture his Russian as being pretty much how @RegDwight sounds IRL..
 
@Robusto Still catching up, will watch in a minute...
 
@Rob: Hah yes!! Exactly how I imagine him.
He didn't even sound quite perfect to me either... but he is passionate enough to make many of his accents more believable than those of some other Youtube accent people who may be technically better.
 
7:04 PM
Anyway, Friday meeting. TTYL.
 
Bye!
 
@Robusto He's pretty good on most of the British ones - on the Scouse one he does better than most attempts I've heard! The Irish ones I thought were weaker though; I wouldn't be convinced by those...
 
He says "take the piss" in the first American dialect — that was a dead giveaway :)
 
Hey he admitted that!
 
Yeah - people must have been telling him that a lot; at that point in the video it flashed up a caption saying "Yes I know Americans don't say that!"
 
7:09 PM
Oh, I turned off captions
 
By the way, what is "Scouse"?
Oh.
Got it.
 
Scouse () is the accent and dialect of English found in the city of Liverpool and the adjoining urban areas of Merseyside. This is particularly strong within areas of neighbouring boroughs of south Sefton, Knowsley and the Wirral. The Scouse accent is highly distinctive, and sounds wholly different from some of the accents used in the neighbouring regions of Cheshire and Lancashire. Even within Merseyside itself, accents in St Helens and Southport, for example, are by contrast different and have more commonalities with Lancastrian. Inhabitants of Liverpool are called Liverpudlians but ...
 
Thanks!
 
i look forward to the day in which all of England has fractured into mutually incomprehensible langlets, each no larger than 10 mi sq
i look even more forward to the day when this happens in N. America
 
@JSBangs Or the internet?
 
7:12 PM
@Robusto Mmm. Okay. Well, how should I put it... He is not exceptionally good at any of the non-British accents I am remotely familiar with. French — meh. German — WTF, no. Russian — oh well. Even I am better at mimicking the Russian accent, and I can't speak with a Russian accent at all.
 
@RegDwight YMMV but I know a lot of French people who speak remarkably like his impression...
 
Are you a native French speaker?
 
@Reg: They didn't even teach you to speak English with a Russian accent?
Oh, and, if you find someone who does better accents on Youtube, do post it here!
 
@RegDwight No, but I am a native English speaker who is often surrounded by native French speakers speaking English...
 
And smelly dogs.
 
7:16 PM
He has a good handle on those aspects of their speech that make it sound "French" to a (British) native speaker's ear...
@Cerberus That goes without saying
 
@psmears My point precisely. To a French native speaker's ear, he is not sounding French at all.
 
At all is a strong expression...
His RP wasn't quite perfect either I think. I like his regional English accents best.
 
@RegDwight Possibly... but isn't that missing the point?
@Cerberus Especially when it's in italics ;)
 
The point I'm trying to make is: so far we have Americans who say that they are not going to be fooled by his American accent; a UK citizen who says that this guy's pretty good but not excellent on most of the UK ones; and a native speaker of Russian who would never mistake him for a Russian.
See the pattern?
 
@PSM: Right, that was my deemphasis!
 
7:19 PM
His German accent might sound German to Americans, and his American accent might sound American to Germans.
 
@Reg: But is anybody ever good enough to fake an accent well enough to fool a native speaker?
 
@Cerberus That's the thing.
 
The only Dutchmen I have ever met that could do my accent needed years and years of being around people with that accent, and a natural talent.
 
I could make a video of the Russian language in 35 accents, and I would suck at each and every single one of them, but a Dutchman wouldn't be able to tell.
 
Of course!
Would any sane man disagree?
 
7:21 PM
@RegDwight He's really not that bad on the standard American accent.
 
@Cerberus Yeah, actually. Some of the best accents I've heard were UK actors doing American accents.
 
Sometimes I need several minutes to assess whether someone is semi-natively speaking my accent or not. Never more.
 
@Kosmonaut He's really not that bad on the French and German, either. But not perfect.
 
Also, Canadian actors have frequently fooled me with their American accents
 
I guess we're measuring against different criteria... by "he's good" I mean "he's entertaining enough to be worth spend five minutes watching a youtube video of", not that he could pass himself off as a native in any of those accents...
 
7:22 PM
@MrHen: Hmm but good enough to fool you? And what if they had to improvise?
 
@psmears Oh don't get me wrong, he sure as hell is entertaining.
 
By the way, it is easier for a foreigner to fake a Dutch accent that it is for a Dutchman to fake my accent.
 
@Cerberus Anna Torv blew me away when I heard her speak in her native accent
 
I being the judge.
 
Totally had me fooled.
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7:23 PM
There's Hugh Laurie also.
 
@Kosmonaut Yeah, he's also good. I sort of knew who he was before Dr. House, so...
 
She could pass for Cate Blanchett in the thumbnail.
 
That is what I was thinking
 
@RegDwight Wha? Odd. I never made that connection.
 
Those crazy Aussies all look the same.
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7:26 PM
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Haha, I like the picture of Kylie Minogue.
 
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I have been listening to Torv (didn't know her) and she didn't sound quite American.
 
@Cerberus Watch her on Fringe.
 
OK.
 
7:28 PM
Oh God, please don't.
 
Part of the ease of sounding "American" is that you can probably find an American that sounds that way.
@RegDwight Eh? I haven't seen the second season but I liked the first season.
 
Meh.
That is as polite as I can get.
 
@RegDwight I wouldn't mind a better explanation.
Acting; story; plot; setting; theme; all-of-the-above...
 
I didn't like it. At all. Even Desperate Housewives was better.
 
@RegDwight That doesn't really help me understand. What kinds of shows do you like?
 
7:30 PM
Black Adder. Dexter. Firefly.
I would point you to my fav list on IMDB, but that would disclose my name.
 
@RegDwight I heard the first season of Black Adder should be skipped. Do you concur?
 
@MrHen It's certainly not the best
It gained most of its momentum in the second series
But if it's the sort of humour you like, then it's worth a watch...
 
@psmears Mmk. I watched about 6 or so episodes and was a little confused and later someone said I should have just started with season 2.
 
If you've struggled with series 1 then it's worth skipping to series 2
 
@psmears Mmk. I thought its noise to humor ratio was lacking
 
7:35 PM
Huh what? Ah yes. Sorry, got sucked in by IMDB... Yeah, I pretty much second psmears.
 
@MrHen That's a fair criticism of the first series. Like I said, the momentum picked up from the second onwards...
 
@psmears Mmk.
@RegDwight How about other Whedon works?
 
Anyway, I gtg - food calls...
 
@psmears You should really kill your food before eating it.
 
@MrHen I must say most of them are still on my to-watch list.
 
7:39 PM
@RegDwight Mmk. I am still just trying to establish a base-line. :)
 
Okay I have watched a scene from the Fringe (didn't know it). Is that Pacey from Dawson's Creek? Man he has grown up.
 
I'm no fan of Buffy. Roseanne was quite funny. The Office is obviously cool, but so far I have only seen like two and a half episodes. What else? Ah, Dollhouse. Will watch, can't promise that will like.
 
@Cerberus I think so.
 
Oh and Angel... puhlees.
 
There isn't much dialogue in the series if Youtube means anything. But yeah I couldn't hear anything Australian in her lines, few though they were.
Why are we talking Buffy?
 
7:42 PM
We are talking Joss Whedon.
 
@Cerberus Trying to figure out what shows Reg likes
 
Ah.
Yes Minister?
My favourite series of all times.
Oh and Brideshead Revisited, but that doesn't count.
 
8:04 PM
Meh I just gave someone directions in English, but when he was gone I realised that he asked for an ATM using the Dutch word. Either he thought I was a foreigner or he must be insulted...
 
8:21 PM
Did I miss anything good?
 
I don't know, I usually don't read back.
Did we miss anything good?
Is your meeting going to change the world?
 
Already had it. Fell asleep a couple times.
 
Hah seriously?
Cool.
 
New gravatar for @RegDwight
 
@JSBangs: See here an example of what I meant by semi-causal being:
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A: Usage of "Instant" vs "Instantaneous"?

snumpyThey are nearly identical. Instantaneous focuses more on something occurring in an instant or instantly, whereas instant simply means "immediately". However, being that both words necessarily involve time, your sentence would be redundant. Might I suggest one of the following: It had a nea...

@Rob: Haha I like it. You should use the Photoshop Distort filter to make the star ripple along with his chest.
 
8:32 PM
@Cerberus — Too lazy. It doesn't make the joke better anyway.
 
True. I thought you were bored...
 
Well, I'm bored but I'm also busy.
 
What a coincidence?
 
Are you asking me?
 
Why is everything a question now?
 
8:35 PM
I was questioning the validity of my exclamation?
 
I don't know, were you?
 
insert witty remark?
 
?!?
 
Right! I lose.
 
Shades of Rosencrantz and Guildernstern Are Dead
 
8:38 PM
Sometimes this chat room puts more pressure upon one to come up with witticisms than one can bear. That is one of the reasons why it is also an excellent training ground for improving one's English.
 
@Cerberus — It's possible to have an unbearable pressure to produce witticisms? How droll!
 
Hmm I didn't know that one.
@Rob: You are unbothered by this odd phenomenon?
You must be Lauren then.
I think her accent is, what, Essex-ish?
Anyone who likes British comedy and language might be charmed by this video.
"Can I ox you a question, Sir?"
Some knowledge of the Catherine Tate show does increase one's enjoyment, perhaps.
 

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