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3:00 PM
@RegDwight — Fuchsia.
 
@RegDwight That would explain why I cannot do it: I was trying to change the chat FAQ.
 
@Robusto Yes?
 
Yes.
 
I was talking about pronunciation, dummy.
 
Fuxia?
 
3:01 PM
Fuxiu?
 
Kosmonaut got my point. That's all I needed.
 
Fu?
 
@RegDwight it's old... the only reason that it showed up in the "active" list is because it was originally was only tagged , and so it came up in the crosshairs for my flamethrower. i added and , but feel free to edit and retag further
 
@RegDwight — Dummy is pronounced @RegDwight. I thinked everyone knowed that.
 
@JSBangs I don't think it's a good idea to tag it with . I mean, the whole point of the question is that the OP doesn't know which PoS it is.
 
3:03 PM
@RegDwight Really? You don't think so?
 
@RegDwight it's not uncommon for a question tag to refer to the answer, not the content of the question itself. whether you think that's okay is probably debatable. in any case, no objection if you want to replace with (which is actually appropriate here) and/or
 
@Kosmonaut I am very careful about tagging questions with answers.
Same as on other sites.
 
@RegDwight Oh, why is it a bad idea?
 
Because the tags categorize the question. They don't categorize the answers.
 
I get that, but isn't the question about pronouns?
 
3:07 PM
If the question is, "is this an oxymoron", and the answer is "no", then the question should still be tagged .
 
I agree with that.
 
@Kosmonaut No. The question is, and I am quoting verbatim, 'Is the word "who" an adverb? If not what is it? If it is an adverb w, what type of adverb is it?'
You could make a case tagging it [adverbs], but not [pronouns].
 
But it is about "who", which is a pronoun.
 
But the OP does not know it! That's why he's asking the question in the first place.
If he knew that it should be tagged "pronoun", then he wouldn't have asked to begin with.
 
Right... but we know it, so shouldn't we categorize it properly?
If someone wants to learn more about pronouns and clicks the tag, shouldn't this question come up?
 
3:09 PM
It would be a contradiction, to tag the question with pronoun when the OP is asking if it is an adverb.
 
@Kosmonaut That's the question. And my answer to it is usually some kind of compromise. Like, in this case, tagging it .
 
tag it with both
i see strong arguments for both and
 
makes more sense.
 
1 min ago, by Kosmonaut
If someone wants to learn more about pronouns and clicks the tag, shouldn't this question come up?
 
(wow, Yoichii really loves his
 
3:11 PM
@Kosmonaut Yeah, there's the rub.
Jeez, did I just mistype "rub" as "rug"?
 
You did.
 
2much Lebowski.
 
Do we really have to go into the mind of the asker and not use any tag where the asker is not aware of the relevance?
 
@RegDwight I was actually thinking you were really referring to a rug.
 
@kiamlaluno — Clearly you are not a Lebowski Achiever.
 
3:13 PM
@Robusto Did you think I was?
 
@Kosmonaut The thing is, what if other people think that it's an adverb, too? What if they look under adverbs?
 
"The tag ties the whole question together!" — The Dude
 
See my Edit here:
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Q: Ellipsis that results in one word serving as both subject and object

RegDwightQuoting from Jeff Atwood's blog: [I expanded the team] by adding Kevin, who I didn't know, but had built amazing stuff for us without even being asked to, from Texas. And again by adding Robert, in Florida, who I also didn't know, but spent so much time on every single part of our si...

 
@kiamlaluno — I thought it was something you might aspire to. But I guess I was wrong.
 
"Edit: nohat makes a strong case for this not being an ellipsis, but I am leaving my original wording as a courtesy to future visitors who might have a similar question without knowing the correct term."
 
3:14 PM
@RegDwight Certainly it should also have the tag.
It is asking if a pronoun is an adverb.
 
@Kosmonaut Yeah well, don't get me wrong, I can totally settle on either PoS or adverbs+pronouns. Same difference. I'm just saying that tagging it only with pronouns wouldn't be appropriate.
 
@RegDwight No, I didn't mean to make it sound like that's what I wanted.
 
@Robusto Usually people don't think I might aspire to anything. Calling me "the one who doesn't like gerunds" is in contradiction with saying I could aspire to anything.
 
@kiamlaluno — I don't follow.
 
@RegDwight Haha, when I saw the edit at the bottom and Nohat as the last to edit the question, I thought he edited in the part about making a strong case :)
 
3:19 PM
Hehe.
@Kosmonaut Yeah, got that. I wouldn't have kicked off this discussion at all, if not for JSBangs's tagging the question only with and running off. :P
 
@RegDwight Oh did he? I hadn't noticed.
 
@Kosmonaut Yes. Again, hence my initial comment.
 
@Robusto If you think a person is idiot, you don't think that person can aspire to anything.
 
19 mins ago, by RegDwight
@JSBangs I don't think it's a good idea to tag it with . I mean, the whole point of the question is that the OP doesn't know which PoS it is.
 
@Kosmonaut Yes, of course it reads perfectly wrong out of context.
I actually thought about amending it, adding an "only".
 
3:22 PM
I thought POS was refering to the other POS.
 
@RegDwight Also JSBangs's comment above that also doesn't make it clear that the tag was removed.
Oh it wasn't. I see
 
Nah, it wasn't.
It used to be , that's how he happened across it in the first place.
 
Anyway, now I think it is tagged just fine.
 
I approve that message.
 
I also like the term "PoS"
 
3:25 PM
I use it all the time...
 
I mean because it has two meanings
 
Mar 23 at 18:57, by Cerberus
PoS?
 
@RegDwight in my defense, i tagged with and
 
I'm not accusing anyone of anything. We're all friends and ponies.
@Kosmonaut BS has many meanings, too.
Mar 31 at 20:57, by RegDwight
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A: What do "bs", "bc" and all the other abbreviations mean in "Recent Posts with Most Vote Velocity" page?

Jason PunyonHad to go look at the code for this because I couldn't parse some of them either. ac = Accepted up = UpVote dn = DownVote of = Offensive Flag fv = Favorite cl = Vote to Close op = Vote to Reopen bs = Bounty Started (on questions only) bc = Bounty Closed (this vote is cast on the answer that rece...

 
@RegDwight Yes, so I enjoy when the use allows for a humorous reading as well.
With PoS, I always read "piece of shit" first, and then I have to backtrack.
Every time.
 
3:28 PM
(I like better PoS when it means Power of Stars.)
 
Itsa meee, Mario!
 
@JSBangs Isn't questions a bit redundant?
 
@Rhodri Good point. We should add the tag as well.
 
I vote for [tag:rendundant-rendundant-tags] too.
 
@Rhodri Nah, it's not about marking the question as a question. It's about marking the question as a question about a question.
@Kosmonaut Not redundant in the least!
 
3:30 PM
@Kosmonaut Right. OK. ::steps away from the keyboard::
 
My first thought for PoS tends to be Point of Sale. I guess I'm just strange.
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@kiamlaluno There are not enough N's in "rendundant-rendundant".
 
Why does my tag doesn't work?
 
Not enough cowbell N's!
 
3:31 PM
All right, was starring that really called for?
 
@RegDwight They are redundant Ns.
 
@Martha No. Should I pin it instead?
 
I'll tell you where to stick that pin, boyo.
 
Hey! That was my idea!
 
@Martha Careful, or I will pin that.
 
3:33 PM
Gah!
 
A better pin has never been posted.
 
That wasn't me. That was some other mod.
 
I am not a mod.
Whoops.
 
Unpin that right this instant, young man, or else!
 
3:34 PM
@RegDwight lol
 
@Martha How do you know I am young, or male?
 
1 min ago, by RegDwight
That wasn't me. That was some other mod.
@kiamlaluno You're 41 and Italian.
@Kosmonaut Via Tim via Will.
 
@RegDwight And I wear shoes size 46.
 
@kiamlaluno I was channeling a stereotypical grandmother, couldn't you tell?
(You're older than I am! Whee!)
 
3:36 PM
@Martha I would not know. Italian grandmothers don't say "you young man."
 
@kiamlaluno Uh, neither do American grandmothers. What's your point?
 
Today's the International Day of Pointlessness!
As every day, in this chat room.
 
@Martha I don't know; you talked about stereotypical grandmothers.
 
Seriously, though, someone had better unpin that, or to retaliate I will boycott chat for two weeks starting on Sunday.
 
Uhmmm...
 
3:39 PM
Whoa! That was fast.
 
Me ponders.
 
@kiamlaluno Stereotypical grandmothers say "young man". Native speakers, whether in possession of grandchildren or not, do not say "you young man".
 
But what if I pin it again on Monday?
 
It was not me, this time.
@Martha What I said is still valid; Italian grandmothers don't say "young man" too.
 
I just hope @JSBangs keeps an eye on not converting any of those old posts to CW by accident.
 
3:42 PM
@RegDwight Whoops, yeah, that kind of backfired, because I will be boycotting chat for two weeks starting on Sunday, whether I like it or not, because I ain't lugging my computer to Hungary.
 
@Martha I figured as much.
I was going to ask whether you would be going to Hungary, but then I had to comment on kiamlaluno's unpinning instead.
Hm... And now it's pinned again...
Well, that's only fair. This way, it will survive till your return!
 
@RegDwight i hadn't thought of that. is there a big downside if i do?
 
Don't look at me.
 
@JSBangs Well, my understanding is that I should be able to remove CW... It's just that someone has to notice and tell me.
 
@RegDwight I didn't unpin anything, nor did I pin back anything.
 
3:46 PM
@kiamlaluno Well then, it's either Kosmonaut or drachenstern.
No point in witch-hunting. It was fun, after all.
 
It would be mod-hunting.
 
this is the weirdest question i've seen in a long time:
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Q: Why not concatenate two frequently used words into a new one?

ja72I will probably get a lot of flak about this, but why not combine the often used together words "with the" into "withe" which is pronounced similarly, and it much shorter and easier to write? I am sure there are other candidates for such concatenations, which are bound to show up especially in t...

 
ha
 
I remember that one.
But I'm not sure I'm buying @MrShinyandNew's answer.
Kontrollflußgraphvisualisierungssoftware is perfectly easy to read.
Kontroll Fluß Graph Visualisierungs Software would be actually considerably harder to parse.
 
@RegDwight I don't agree. Marking the word boundaries makes it much easier to figure out what's going on.
 
3:54 PM
My point is more that it depends on the language.
In English, "controlflowgraphvisualizationsoftware" is completely unreadable to me.
 
Kontroll-Fluß-Graph-Visualisierungs-Software is perfect though.
 
i'm retagging more quickly than the search indexer can handle. searching for [words] at present returns a lot of results that no longer have on them
 
But in any case, combining "with" + "the" is not at all the same sort of thing as combining Kontroll+Fluß+Graph+Visualisierungs+Software. I don't think even German is willing to combine prepositions with articles. (mitdas? Ew.)
 
@JSBangs You have been awarded the badge quick draw.
@Martha Actually: "in dem" -> "im"
 
@Martha im = in + dem, ins = in + das, ans = an + das, am = an + dem.
 
3:56 PM
"an dem" -> "am"
 
@Kosmonaut /s/tag/badge, surely?
 
Jinx!
 
@Martha Yes
 
Same in French. à le -> au, à les -> aux, de le -> du.
Well, not same, similar. Actually, stronger.
 
In Italian is a + i (ai).
 
3:58 PM
Yes. Italian. degli etc.
 
Arabic goes further — they take letters frequently appearing next to each other and make weird combo forms.
 
Well, Greek and Hebrew have several forms of some letters, too.
Not quite the same thing, I know.
 
Actually, degli and dei means some.
Hai dei pani? (Do you have some bread?)
 
Is that Japanese?
 
... I guess English was at one point willing to do some combining like this - witness names like "atte Bridge" = "at the bridge".
 
4:00 PM
I mean, when you combine f and i to make fii, the f and i aren't written next to each other, the f is written above the i. I wish I could draw it.
 
@Kosmonaut Ligatures.
 
@RegDwight Precisely what I was about to say.
 
Just use the technical word. It's okay. We'll understand.
 
@RegDwight Kind of, but more complicated
 
Here's an ß for you.
 
4:01 PM
Many of the letters are connected together. This is something more.
 
In writing and typography, a ligature occurs where two or more graphemes are joined as a single glyph. Ligatures usually replace consecutive characters sharing common components and are part of a more general class of glyphs called "contextual forms", where the specific shape of a letter depends on context such as surrounding letters or proximity to the end of a line. History At the origin of typographical ligatures is the simple running together of letters in manuscripts. Already the earliest known script, Sumerian cuneiform, includes many cases of character combinations that over the ...
 
Even when you don't do the special thing with fii, the letters are connected.
 
Um, are you talking about kerning?
Or digraphs?
Or what?
Use technical terms, for Buddha's sake.
 
Medieval writing was full of ligatures and abbreviations, including ones where you'd write one letter over another one.
 
I have no idea what the technical word is.
 
4:03 PM
The ampersand evolved from a ligature of "et".
 
@Martha Ever seen Old Slavonic icons?
 
@RegDwight No, are they full of strange writing?
 
@RegDwight or greek icons
 
But probably they would be called ligatures, right? It's just that it is a bit more interesting.
 
@Martha Yes! "Jesus Christ" would be written as "IS CS", with some of the other letters written above. Later they degenerated into a simple line.
 
4:05 PM
The Arabic alphabet ( ') or Arabic abjad is the script used for writing several languages of Asia and Africa, such as Arabic, Persian, and Urdu. After the Latin alphabet, it is the second-most widely used alphabet around the world. The Arabic script is written from right to left, in a cursive style, and includes 28 basic letters. Because all letters usually stand for consonants, it is classified as an abjad. The script was first used to write texts in Arabic, most notably the ', the holy book of Islam. With the spread of Islam, it came to be used to write languages of many language...
They call it ligatures in Wikipedia.
Although these aren't the ones I meant.
 
@RegDwight The picture on the Wikipedia article is confusing: I'm guessing it's an f+i ligature, but it actually looks more like a long-s+i ligature.
 
@Kosmonaut: Arabic is hard work to print properly, apparently.
 
@Martha That's what I was thinking, too.
 
@Rhodri Like, on a computer? Incredibly hard.
 
@Kosmonaut Or at least computer controlled. Someone I used to know makes his living doing it professionally now.
 
4:08 PM
Yeah, it is so much more complicated than English, or even Japanese.
In terms of display
 
This is @Martha.
Note how it says "стая влкомц". What it actually means is "святая великомученица".
 
@Kosmonaut Ah yes. Now I understand.
 
@kiamlaluno — Wow, where did that come from?
 
@Robusto What?
 
4:14 PM
Dupe alert. OP actually mentions that other question, but I fail to see the difference.
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Q: What words have different meanings in US and British English?

Boofus McGoofusSimilar to this question, but not quite the same. There are, I think, quite a few words which have totally different meanings in English and American and which are likely to cause confusion when heard by non-local speakers. What are they? Note: not looking for words which are different between...

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Q: What words have opposite meanings in different regions?

waiwai933I can't remember the one I'm thinking of, but there's a word that in American English has done a 180 and its meaning is now the negation of the one in British English. What words are there that have opposite (not just different) meanings in different regions?

 
@RegDwight Lovely. :) Medieval Latin writing is full of the same sort of things, especially in the less expensive books.
 
@kiamlaluno — Just replying to your statement.
 
@kiamlaluno Click the little arrow on the left.
 
Hey.
 
@Martha — Those are just abbreviations.
 
4:15 PM
Hi puppies!
 
Wrroof!
What's with the ligatures?
(Just came back from palaeography session.)
 
@Martha I did that. The "what?" was because I didn't understand what @Robusto was saying.
 
a question from our very own @Robusto with ! he should be ashamed
 
@JSBangs — Huh?
 
4:18 PM
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Q: Is there a term for words that have a single meaning or are only used in a single context?

RobustoCertain words you hear in English are only ever heard in a single context. For example, skirl is used to describe the sound a bagpipe makes. Etymonline generously says the word is "rarely" heard outside that context, but I can't recall ever hearing it used for anything else. I imagine one could u...

don't worry, i've covered for you
 
And, btw, I'm not "your very own" ... I belong to all of humanity.
 
@Robusto i said "our" (=humanity's) very own, not my very own
 
He clearly didn't consider you to be representative of humanity.
 
@JSBangs — I presumed you meant EL&U.SE.
 
When you presume, you make a pres out of u and me.
 
"When I am right, Germany says I am German and France claims I am a citizen of the world. When I am wrong, France says I am a German and Germany says I am a Jew." — Albert Einstein
 
A good quote.
 
...waiting...
 
@Robusto He did work in the US, so clearly everyone is wrong.
 
...hint: -sten ...
 
4:22 PM
@kiamlaluno — Let's just accept that you and I don't connect on any level. I can't understand what you are talking about and I frequently feel I am offending you when it is not my intention to do so.
 
@Martha: ...
 
@Martha I'm not sure Robusto can edit it anymore. But I can.
 
Just in time.
Oh.
 
@Kosmonaut — Well, in the sense that he was "employed" in the U.S. All his important work had been done long before he got tenure at Princeton.
 
@Reg Hey you should have left it unedited!
 
4:23 PM
@RegDwight Danke!
 
A shame you stoop to popular volition, yes that's what it is.
 
Wait, I was quoting Albert Einsten. Now you went and ruined it.
 
The famous guy behind Wikipedia?
 
Feb 17 at 18:51, by RegDwight
His name was Robert Paulson.
 
Nice. Is that cartoon by the same guy that made the Simpsons or something?
 
4:26 PM
Boooooooooo!
Seriously.
 
(My apologies if my cultural ignorance offended someone, again!)
 
It's a cartoon by the same guy who made Robusto's most favorite American Dad.
 
Both Family Guy and American Dad have always been but names to me...
 
Matthew Abram "Matt" Groening ( ; born February 15, 1954) is an American cartoonist, screenwriter, and producer. He is the creator of the comic strip Life in Hell as well as two successful television series, The Simpsons and Futurama. Groening made his first professional cartoon sale of Life in Hell to the avant-garde Wet magazine in 1978. The cartoon is still carried in 250 weekly newspapers. Life in Hell caught the attention of James L. Brooks. In 1985, Brooks contacted Groening with the proposition of working in animation for the Fox variety show The Tracey Ullman Show. Originally, Br...
 
@RegDwight — I may just go and change my name. This one is worn out here. As, apparently, is my welcome.
 
4:28 PM
@Robusto Let's face that you think I think you are always offending me, and you don't understand when I am joking because you think I am offending you. That becomes something circular.
 
Seth Woodbury MacFarlane (; born October 26, 1973) is an American animator, writer, comedian, producer, actor, singer, voice actor, and director best known for creating the animated sitcoms Family Guy, American Dad! and The Cleveland Show, for which he also voices many of the shows' various characters. A native of Kent, Connecticut, MacFarlane is a graduate of the Rhode Island School of Design, where he studied animation, earning a Bachelor of Fine Arts Degree. He was an animator and writer for Hanna-Barbera for several television shows, including Johnny Bravo, Cow and Chicken and Dexte...
 
Oh, thanks.
 
@kiamlaluno — Only @Kosmonaut is allowed to use circular references. Esperanto doesn't count as a circular reference.
 
This chat is getting a bit hot...
 
Well, I am happy to inform everyone that I gotta go anyway.
 
4:29 PM
THANK GOD
I mean, bye!
 
I can imagine.
 
Cornell Haynes, Jr. (born November 2, 1974), better known by his stage name Nelly, is an American rapper and singer. He has performed with the rap group St. Lunatics since 1993 and signed to Universal Records in 1999. Under Universal, Nelly made his solo debut in 2000 with Country Grammar, the title track of which was a top ten hit. The album debuted at #3 on the Billboard 200 and went on to peak at #1. Country Grammar is Nelly's best-selling album to date, selling over 8.4 million copies in the United States. His following album, Nellyville, produced the number-one hits "Hot in Herre...
 
The average hotness of the chat rises significantly when @RegDwight leaves.
 
The happiness is not mine though!
Adios!
 
@Robusto Of course it does. That's because I am freaking cool.
 
4:30 PM
What did you do that for.
Why not leave us Milton or something.
 
You do realize that "nelly" is an older euphemism for effeminate or gay, right?
 
Hah, is it?
 
@Robusto It's him who should realize that.
 
True.
 
Off topic: has anyone ever heard the name Shenellany?
 
4:31 PM
Me, I don't care. I never do!
 
I don't think Him cares either. Him is picky.
 
@Cerberus Yes, I heard it once here.
 
@Kos: Hey I thought that wasn't allowed!
 
How's that for circular? :)
 
@Kosmonaut OMFG, you listen to this chat? My most sincerestest apologies!!!
 
4:32 PM
Haha
 
Did you produce infelicitous sounds?
 
Yes, I use text-to-speech.
 
And speech-to-text too, no doubt.
 
It's easy to wreck a nice beach.
 
Try your text-to-speech on that one.
 
4:34 PM
@RegDwight Yes, that answer earned him a flag.
 
And now I'm out!
 
I think I am missing some meme here...
Beach = bitch?
The rest is beyond me.
 
@Cerberus I don't know. I missed it too.
 
Sorry folks, it's just a classic "speech recognition is hard for computers" example.
 
Ahh, thanks.
Then what's with Reg's link?
 
4:38 PM
It was an answer that said this:
 
IT IS FINISHED. I have retagged every single question on EL&U, excepting one question that has been migrated and cannot be edited. there are zero, ZERO questions that now carry
 
Also, I think I cannot see the actual relevant part
 
@Cerberus awawaawawaswawawadadadadadadadadadadwdawdadadadadadadadadadadadaadadadadadadadad­adadadadadadadaadaaad.... (only much longer)
It was deleted obviously.
@JSBangs Congrats
 
@JSBangs Yeah, cool. Congrats.
 
4:43 PM
Oh! I see.
Too bad we'll have to wait another year for April 1.
 
now i'm exhausted and will be retiring for the day
have fun, y'all
 
@JSBangs I can tell you're tired, your capitals have shrunk.
 
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Q: Past to guide future

Amanda KuhnertIs there an instrument (preferably ancient) that uses information gathered in the past to navigate the future course? Trying to capture the concept of using the past to navigate the future. Thinking nautical? Something else that I'm missing?

Is that question on-topic?
 
4:58 PM
@kiamlaluno I couldn't really figure out what the question was, exactly.
 
@Rhodri The OP is asking about an instrument.
 

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