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3:30 AM
@JonathanBeardsley is that this paper? projecteuclid.org/euclid.pja/1195525378
 
3:48 AM
@ArunDebray no but theorem 3 in that paper appears in another paper as well that's a bit a bit longer. I guess I don't know which one came first
I was particularly interested in Ω²S³ because of its connection to the dual Steenrod algebra
 
4:02 AM
@JonathanBeardsley huh, ok; thanks! I'll look into that paper
 
4:18 AM
@ArunDebray email me i have it
 
4:58 AM
Am I right when I say that a coreflection arrow is a morphism of the supercategory, and that in the definition of a coreflection arrow, the given morphism is also in the supercategory?
 
 
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1:27 PM
@JonathanBeardsley I think it is right if the ambient category is a topos. That hypothesis can probably be relaxed a lot, but I'm not sure exactly how much (essentially, the simplicial diagram that you need to check to see that the epimorphism is effective is exactly the one that computes X/G).
 
 
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2:41 PM
@skd I don't know one way or the other, but it seems unlikely
 
 
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4:54 PM
so I was under the impression that the Cech-local injective and projective model structures on simplicial presheaves are Quillen equivalent. Is this actually known to be true?
 
skd
@TylerLawson i agree. i tried a bit to prove it, but got stuck
 
 
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6:57 PM
@skd how would one prove this, short of just happening upon a space that does the trick?
Oh maybe you tried to prove it cannot be?
Considering how often questions like this come up, it seems like it might be useful to compile a list of necessary conditions for a spectrum to be a Thom spectrum, e.g. various requirements on Steenrod operations and so forth.
(if such things exist...?)
 
7:50 PM
Is there any consensus about what the hell $X\langle n\rangle$ means? Is it $X$ after killing homotopy groups $0\leq i\leq n$ or $0\leq i <n $?
 
 
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skd
9:36 PM
@JonathanBeardsley mahowald proved that ko is not a thom spectrum in the following way: suppose ko = X^xi for some spherical bundle xi over X. then the thom isomorphism allows us to understand what the homology of X is; using this data, you show that a certain skeleton of X can't exist
similarly, he proved that ku is not an E_1-thom spectrum
rudyak generalized this to show that ku is not a thom spectrum (of any map X -> BGL_1(S)). his argument was different: suppose ku was a thom spectrum X^xi. let D denote the space classifying spherical bundles which are ku-orientable, i.e., the fiber of BGL_1(S) -> BGL_1(ku) = BGL_1(KU). this has a natural map to BGL_1(S), so you get a thom spectrum Mf, which is universal for ku-orientations
in particular, the identity on ku factors as ku -> Mf -> ku; by our knowledge of H_*(ku) and H_*(Mf), the latter of which i think was figured out by sullivan, you show that such a factorization is impossible on the level of homology
this gives a contradiction. note that this automatically gives the case of ko, since the wood cofiber sequence gives an equivalence ko /\ C(eta) = ku; if ko was a thom spectrum, then ku would be one too, since C(eta) is a thom spectrum
i also have a proof that BP<n> for n>0 is not an E_2-thom spectrum; the proof is again by contradiction: you assume otherwise, so BP<n> = Y^xi where Y = Omega^2 X for some X. then, you use our knowledge of H^* BP<n> to compute H^*(X), and show that some secondary power operation (due to adams for p=2 and liucevilius for p>2) leads to a contradiction
if you could strengthen this by showing that BP<n> for n>0 is never a thom spectrum, then an argument similar to what i wrote above would prove that tmf is not a thom spectrum either (since DA(1) is the thom spectrum of a spherical bundle over a finite complex)
i don't think that there is a standard way to show that something is not a thom spectrum
but in light of the above discussion, it seems reasonable to expect that something living at "finite chromatic height" (whatever that might mean) is never a thom spectrum. that's why i believe that k(n) for n>0 is not a thom spectrum.
oh, and there's also angeltveit-hill-lawson, which proves that ku and ko are not E_3-thom spectra by computing their thh and using the fact that thh plays nicely with thom spectra
that's the hardest method of proof for me, because i don't understand computations very well
it also seems to be really hard to guess that a (non-finite) spectrum is a thom spectrum (at least, mahowald's theorem on HF_2 seemed like black magic to me before i learnt that thom spectra give you free E_k-algebras on stuff)
 
9:59 PM
@skd it seemed like black magic to me too. IMHO @OmarAntolín-Camarena and Tobias's paper on the topic gives us IMMENSE insight into Thom spectra and their relatives
 
skd
yeah, i really enjoyed that paper
 
10:15 PM
I think, even knowing that Thom spectra give you free algebras on stuff, the fact that HF_2 is a thom spectrum is sort of black magic. I mean, why is the free E_2-algebra with 2=0 given by HF_2? I know of no non-computational reason for this. And the computation in question is the same as the computation that it's that Thom spectrum- you have to use that funny formula that tells you E_2-operations are enough to generate the dual steenrod algebra. why should that be? it's sorta weird.
also, I'm a little confused looking at Mahowald's argument. He purports to prove that you can't get ku or ko classifies by an H-map $Y \to BGL_1(S)$. But a few lines into the proof he has some map $X \to Y$ and then says "using the H-space structure on Y we get a map $\Omega\Sigma X \to Y$" ... is he using H-space to mean A_{infty} or is there some other reason why we can build that map?
oh, you say E_1 above... so ok. weird that he said "H-space" though
Rudyak's argument is neat. I wonder if the same thing works for connective Morava K-theories. They're all A_infty and built as square zero extensions of HF_p by a Milnor primitive, so presumably we have access to what their GL_1 and BGL_1 looks like...
 
skd
yeah, i think that as he wrote it, that argument probably doesn't work
 
10:31 PM
yeah, don't we get that SL_1(k(n)) = K(\mathbb{F}_p, 2p^n-2), which has a unique delooping as K(\mathbb{F}_p, 2p^n-1)? That'll receive a map from BSL_1(S) picking off some cohomology class we oughtta be able to compute, so seems like there's a chance we could say something about the Thom spectrum associated to the fiber
sounds like fun
 
skd
that's what i was trying to do. i got stuck, but i was probably just being silly
 
skd
10:45 PM
wait actually i don't think SL_1(k(n)) is an eilenberg-maclane space (but it maps to K(F_p, 2p^n-2)) @DylanWilson
 

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