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Q: How to avoid being sexist when trying to employ someone to function in a very sexist environment?

BigMadAndyLet's assume I need to find an employee to act as a middleman/ link between two teams: IT and my team. Whereas my team (and most of the company) is quite a nice place to work in in terms of diversity, cooperation and lack of hostility, the IT at my company is the nightmare: There are no women ...

Women aren't treated seriously during discussions, their input is neglected Is this from a technical point of view or about everything? And I agree with @EdHeal maybe a woman among them will make them shut up
@EdHeal, it's not like they are living in a cave, far from civilization. They do projects with women (developers, PMs, etc.) from other teams. This hasn't helped so far, so I'm not sure why a woman among them could help.
Are you in the United States? There are laws in the US that protect women from discriminated against.
@RichardU: it's not about using foul language or farting in meetings. It's about not taking women in consideration, rolling eyes when they speak, interrupting them, excluding them. If it was about them telling "sh*t" too frequently, I wouldn't care.
Could you please use a country tag and tell us about the average age and the junior to senior ratio in that team? It might help to know if it's a rural area or in a city above 500k population.also, were the women they interacted with senior or junior (age as well as professionally)and in the same or different profession to the IT team members?
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Have you (or others) reported this behavior to your HR dept? What, if anything, have they done?
Is there anyone from IT on the hiring committee? Since the hire has to work with them for 50% of the time.
Have you made any effort to bridge the gap between you and the IT department? When you say IT department are you just referring to developers? because if you are that is probably the first reason why you are not being taken seriously. "IT" departments can go a long way into understanding other people's divisions but business seldom takes time to understand IT. IoT is not magic, it's talent and sweat, sometimes business units forget this.
"Women aren't treated seriously during discussions, their input is neglected" but you said there were no women there?!
@NicolasB maybe the IT team has to liaise with other teams sometimes, and discuss things with those other teams, on which there are women. It's a weird IT team indeed that can operate entirely in isolation.
I don't think your consideration that a women would have to work harder than a man in this position is sexist. If the situation really is sexist, then that's just a fact. Then, the assumption that the risk of resignation is related to how difficult the work is obviously has nothing to do with gender. So the whole thing is not sexist (on your part). Trying to find a women anyway would be actively feminist, not just not-sexist.
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"There are no women there. I don't mean that women don't constitute 50% of the employees. I mean: there's literally no woman there. Not one." This doesn't mean they're sexist - it COULD do - but it could be they've just not had female applicants of sufficient calibre.
Maybe a strong ball-breaking woman is just what you need here?
@UKMonkey Smart women not applying for your roles can also be a strong indicator something is wrong. It's not like we don't exist and apply for jobs, and the likelihood that an entire department has just, by chance, not had any women apply isn't very high
@Phoshi I'm not saying there's not a problem - I'm just saying you can't conclude that there is. There are more reasons than can be listed in a comment as to why people of a gender might not be found in a given role; and not all of them mean something is wrong. It's easy to shout sexism, but it's almost impossible to demonstrate it unless you're involved in the hiring process and can see the best applicant is rejected because of their gender.
@UKMonkey but it is listed as the reason why IT department is a nightmare (to OP), not why it's sexist
"testosterony", jokes, ignoring woman ... first girl who insult one of them through a cool joke will be respected there, it's simple as that
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The team may change once a woman appears. I've worked in countless all-male teams like this, and after a woman joined we simply toned it down completely, then slowly ramped it up to see what was acceptable and what wasn't. Guys do like to banter, for sure, but they also like to make sure everyone is included. In my experience teams I've been on have simply adapted to a new way of bantering that isn't exclusionary.
I'm not sure I like the idea of this company employing women. Or, in fact, anyone. I wouldn't like to work there.
@Veljko89 Either that or forced to leave through a campaign of intimidation. That's a seriously bad idea.
Meg
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Presumably if a smart, competent, confidant woman interviewed for this team, she would immediately discover that her manager "is part of the problem" and decline to go forward with the process. (Not being extremely confidant, I have thrown interviews by letting my disinterest or disengagement show - intentionally or not- when there was an obvious lack of culture match between myself and the team... Including a case where I felt the all-male team was openly condescending).

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