The Renderfarm

VRM

12:01 AM

You really hate that thing don't you lol

gandalf3

@Scalia Yeah, wish I had more time to do those

I think I only ever did one :P

Scalia

12:28 AM

@gandalf3 yeh?

Idk why I remembered it... Just random recall of something fun i guess

X-27

1:32 AM

must update windows update before updating windows updater before updating windows update management. Then once you have the supported version of the windows management update updater, you can download your update. We're just kidding. All these "updates" are just excuses for your internet to be slow, while we transfer your files to our servers!

David

@DuarteFarrajotaRamos YES! that would be a very good idea. The tut author would learn where the noobs are tripping up.

X-27

But Andrew Price could add a link only answer to his own Tutorial (on a question about the tutorial), and he'd get upvotes...

David

@X-27 I'd convert it to a comment.

@Scalia chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/31020/art-challenge

wow that was nearly 2 years ago.

yikes time never takes a break.

X-27

Whoa...

That was a while ago.

@David But you should know more than anyone about time never taking a break... You do have that clock thing in every single one of your review sweeps.

VRM

You are kidding, but I spent the last week while I was sick trying to get my Windows to install a security patch correctly.

David

1:45 AM

@VRM I dont install updates.

(for the most part)

VRM

not a great idea

A ton of major breaches have been caused by basic security updates/patches not being installed

David

well I dont download "cracked" versions of software, or use FaceBook. So I'm safeish. and until I need a update for something, I'll keep my computer working.

@VRM I know. It really is pretty stupid. but ever since MS's font patch a few years ago, I have been weary to install updates that break things.

@VRM On a different note: Is your sap still flowing, or have the trees budded?

X-27

@David The whole idea behind "cracked" software is awful. Ignoring the fact that you're basically stealing the program, you're also putting yourself at immense risk. Whoever "cracked" the software obviously knows a thing or two. There is nothing stopping them from adding to the software. If you download and run it, you're basically giving the person who made it control of your computer.

VRM

@David nah, we're done for the season.

X-27

Did your little brother burn down the sap shed again? :)

VRM

1:49 AM

@X-27 precisely, I don't download "free" anything unless it's from the original source.

David

@X-27 that is kind of the case with anything you download.

X-27

But I'd say the risk is greater with pirated software. Obviously the person pirating it doesn't have the highest morals - so they also wouldn't object to messing up your system as well.

X-27

3:57 AM

GiantCowFilms

4:49 AM

@X-27 Not to mention they already are/have a good excuse to be anonymous/over seas away from repercussions. With a lot of open source, free software that is legit/known, the developers would end up in jail pretty quickly if they intentionally added malware.

@David Do you use email?

There have existed exploits that only require the email to be downloaded by your email client, not even viewed.

David

12:13 PM

@GiantCowFilms yes.

@GiantCowFilms I dont have, nor use any client. Its all just from the browser.

David

12:54 PM

@iKlsR Your avatar! No this can't be. How am I supposed to get use to this? Over 4 years I've known you as the anime guy with a diamond. You just shattered my perception of reality.

iKlsR ♦, North Quadrant

32.4k 9 104 144

If it wasn't for the diamond after your user name, I'd not know it was you.

X-27

4:08 PM

RIP

gandalf3

6:03 PM

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Q: Will EEVEE do realtime raytracing?

I heard about Nvidia's announcement about Realtime Raytracing - I want to know, will Blender support this? That is, you will be able to see things realtime raytraced (that is to say, photoreal) in the viewport with EEVEE, if you have a Titan V card? (ie. NO RENDERING....?) I don't really know mu...

eevee

I mean...

Did everyone forget about cycles already?

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 Cycles, what is that?

I wonder, with Eevee, will we get to write our own GLSL/HLSL/CG shaders like we can in unreal engine?

There are some things that are seriously painful to do with nodes....

gandalf3

@GiantCowFilms That would be neat

@GiantCowFilms There is OSL, but yes..

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 Will OSL work with eevee?

Its CPU only for cycles, which makes it kinda defunct already, and I don't know that Eevee supports CPU, or even should support CPU.

gandalf3

@GiantCowFilms It's a new feature the Blender Devs are considering adding, now that NVidia has unveiled it as the Future in NO RENDERING Technology™! It's slated for release about 5 years ago!

@GiantCowFilms dunno

@GiantCowFilms yes..

GiantCowFilms

GLSL for the win!

gandalf3

6:10 PM

One of the advantages of having a GPU with approximately 0 vram is that one forgets about CPU-only features

:P

@GiantCowFilms Any opengl application supports CPU

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 ?

gandalf3

It's called software rendering :P

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 O.

That seems kind of obvious that they would do that in retrospect.

gandalf3

It's actually pretty useful when you're on ancient hardware, I've run godot and blender under software rendering when I've been on my olde laptop

GiantCowFilms

I feel a vauge sense of pain at how slow that must have been.

gandalf3

6:11 PM

Otherwise godot wouldn't work and even blender had problems with the ancient intel drivers

GiantCowFilms

Ooooh, intel integrated graphics. /me is jealous.

gandalf3

@GiantCowFilms I was surprised actually, it was definitely usable. I didn't actually check, but I'd guess things were refreshing at maybe 12-13 fps or something like that

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 wowz!!

gandalf3

@GiantCowFilms You jest, but I've noticed that on more modern integrated intel chips, running KDE/Kwin with all the graphical bells and whistles turned to 11 looks smooth as silk. When I was doing the same with my nvidia card there were little artifacts all over the place (iirc the nvidia drivers were what was blamed)

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 Huh.

And also, yes, Nvidia drivers raise some questoins.

When I first got my 1080, the drivers were so rubbish it was not much faster than my previous gtx 670.

gandalf3

6:18 PM

@GiantCowFilms Given that the are refusing to add support for GBM (for wayland), I think I'm switching to AMD next upgrade

GiantCowFilms

Why are they refusing?

gandalf3

sircmpwn.github.io/2017/10/26/Fuck-you-nvidia.html

(rant, but may have the reason in there somewhere)

GiantCowFilms

My word........

that guy is angry.

gandalf3

lol

Plus the proprietary nature of the official drivers makes it so we have to beg for bugfixes whenever something breaks and hope the higher ups don't notice their engineers "wasting time" with us GTX 460 users on linux :P

(yes, there are more than one of us)

(like, maybe 6?)

Just recently there was an issue with them which caused X to crash on suspend. Not to mention the time when they specifically broke only 460's so much that they just spun the fans up to maximum on power on and did nothing else...

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 So do the rest of developers put up with Nvidia's propriety library?

Cow is confused. As a windowz user, I expect things to just kind of sort of work. I am not familiar with all the layers of stuff that goes on inbetween.

gandalf3

6:26 PM

They did fix it at least, it just took a little while..

@GiantCowFilms To be honest, I'm not totally sure with a buffer stream api is in this case either

Wikipedia says:

Mesa (computer graphics)

Mesa, also called Mesa3D and The Mesa 3D Graphics Library, is an open-source device driver and software implementation of the OpenGL, Vulkan and other specifications. Its most important user surfacing parts are the two graphics drivers mostly developed and funded by Intel and AMD, which are using those implementations. The smaller GeForce graphics driver Nouveau in contrast is mostly a community effort. Mesa implements a cross-language, cross-platform (mostly on BSD and Linux distributions), vendor-neutral standard API for interfacing with diverse vendor-specific graphics hardware drivers. Besides...

GiantCowFilms

Mesa thinks that "mesa" sounds like something Jar Jar Binks would say.

:P

That joke died.

gandalf3

meesa

GiantCowFilms

I think he sometimes pronouced it without the long "E"

so it actually did come out as mesa.

gandalf3

/me didn't need a reason to rewatch the prequels :P

GiantCowFilms

lol

TBH, if watched all together, they are not that bad.

Compared to most movies, they are actually extremely good.

gandalf3

6:34 PM

@GiantCowFilms Like, simultaneously?

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 I was thinking sequentially, but why not.

:D

lol

the new order

LOL

6:35 PM

(goodbye machete)

1 4 5 6 7 8
2
3

(hail kylo?)

@gandalf3 huh?

@GiantCowFilms The new order

GiantCowFilms

not following, how does that relate to goodbye machete.

gandalf3

6:38 PM

@GiantCowFilms The reign of the machete is finished. There is a new order in the galaxy now

<sup>don't worry, I was just going, no need to shove..</sup>

Didn't super/subtext used to work here?

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 I don't remember it working here.

gandalf3

darn

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 the new order bit I get, its the machete bit that confuses me. I didn't know there was the reign of the machete in starwars.

gandalf3

machete order?

GiantCowFilms

?

what is the "machete order"

gandalf3

6:42 PM

Machete Order

== English == === Etymology === Introduced in the 2011 article "The Star Wars Saga: Introducing Machete Order", from the website "No Machete Juggling". === Proper noun === Machete Order (fandom slang) An order to watch the first six Star Wars movies, minus the episode I. The full order is: episodes IV, V, II, III, and VI....

GiantCowFilms

Huh, I had never heard of that one.

I only knew of sequential and release order.

gandalf3

huh

GiantCowFilms

Cow apparently isn't a real starwars fanboi.

gandalf3

:(

GiantCowFilms

Somehow I manage to even suck at the useless skills.

gandalf3

6:46 PM

Well, to be honest I didn't actually know what the machete order was

just that it existed

:P

GiantCowFilms

lol

gandalf3

(for all I knew it might've been a simultaneous order..)

This is what comes of meme-based learning

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 Lets see, I have two monitors, two smartphones, two TVs, so I can do six simultainously (although I'll have to unpack the one TV), and I can probably get two more by begging to borrow a laptop and a tablet from my Dad.

Now I want to try playing starwars on all these devices

gandalf3

@GiantCowFilms You'd better hurry, or else solo will come out and you'll need one more..

Wait, there's also rouge 1

GiantCowFilms

Oh shoot

gandalf3

6:49 PM

I guess we can skip the anthology ones?

Or do them separately or something..

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 I'd have to steal devices people are actively using RN, but I think I could do it.

I almost actually want to try this.

gandalf3

I know, overlay them with 50% transparency

But you'll have to sync them to start slightly later, to account for the lack of a title crawl

GiantCowFilms

I wonder if my PC could handle decoding 9 videos at once.

gandalf3

hm

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 I guess I could encode them into one video with all those overlays.

gandalf3

6:51 PM

I suppose you could composite them into one video (wait)

GiantCowFilms

It would be easier on the neck, not trying to watch nine differnet displays at once.

gandalf3

I typed that as you said that :P

GiantCowFilms

Great minds type alike?

gandalf3

@GiantCowFilms Well, you composite it into one video, then set up a VNC server and stretch the one video across all nine displays

:D

GiantCowFilms

Even better, just asemble them into a 3x3 grid

and use one large display.

gandalf3

6:53 PM

Why not assembly 9 large displays in 3x3 grid? :P

GiantCowFilms

Sure

gandalf3

Hopefully you can handle playback of 5760x3240 videos

GiantCowFilms

Hmmm

gandalf3

Though if you have the 4k releases, then..

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 Play them from seperate devices?

gandalf3

6:55 PM

Yes, if we embed a computer in each monitor..

GiantCowFilms

They do that already

gandalf3

:P

GiantCowFilms

these new TVs come with android TV built in.

gandalf3

huh

GiantCowFilms

Its kinda lame though.

At least my Dad thinks its lame enough to buy an Apple TV anyway.

gandalf3

6:56 PM

If you have one VR headset, you could make 9 virtual 4k 84k videotexture displays and watch them through said headset ;)

GiantCowFilms

84k......

@gandalf3 But can you actually view that resolution? Last time I wore a VR headset, I was not particularly impressed by the resolution.

They've probably gotten better since then though.

gandalf3

@GiantCowFilms You just have to move closer to the virtual screen to get closer to 1:1

GiantCowFilms

lol

gandalf3

@GiantCowFilms I've heard of some models which have insane resolutions (albeit at the cost of everything else)

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 O.o

Apparently Google made a 18 Mpixel 4.3-in. 1443-ppi 120-Hz OLED

gandalf3

7:02 PM

not bad

Pimax

Pimax is a Chinese technology company specializing in virtual reality hardware and software products. In 2016 the company released its first product, the Pimax 4K virtual reality headset, was released, becoming the first commercially available 4K headset. In 2017, they ran a crowdfunding campaign on Kickstarter for the Pimax 8K headset, raising approximately $4.2 million. On the 19th of December 2017, Pimax announced they had closed a $15 million series A funding round. == Products == === Pimax 4K === The company's first product, launched in 2016. It features a resolution of 1920×2160 p...

GiantCowFilms

I don't envy someone trying to render out a frame in 1/120th of a second at that resoultion.

I like how the cable is the bottleneck

gandalf3

XD

GiantCowFilms

That is kinda stupid though

Hey look! We made a 16k 128 bit HDR 60 inch screen screen for 100 dollars. Yay!. Oh btw, the cable only supports 720p at 30 Hz.

Infact, I think the cable is also the bottle neck already for some of those ultra-wide monitors.

gandalf3

@GiantCowFilms They have a version which requires 2 displayport cables, but it supports actual native 4k for each eye

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 Okay, that makes more sense.

@gandalf3 BTW, have you created anything cool lately? We haven't seen you around much.

gandalf3

7:13 PM

I made a linked list for CS class? :P

GiantCowFilms

lol

Double or single?

Also, what language do they teach you in. Java? C(++/#/OBOL)?

@gandalf3 disappears. Probably remembered he as more linked lists to write before monday.

:P

gandalf3

@GiantCowFilms Sunday actually XD

@GiantCowFilms Double, but I'm seeing if I can use a XOR list instead

just for giggles

@GiantCowFilms We can theoretically use whatever language we want for this class (datastructures), but everyone's using C++

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 You should use some ESO-lang.

one of those code-golf ones where you write the entire thing using punctuation.

gandalf3

Good idea!

I was wondering about embedding some assembly in one of my C++ files or something

But it has to be cross-platform for grading..

GiantCowFilms

I'm going to take a random guess and say you are a little bored with the class.

:P

gandalf3

7:24 PM

xD

GiantCowFilms

@gandalf3 XOR linked lists are cool though, I didn't know they existed

X-27

10:06 PM

Elektronomia - Butterfly

►

sad.

(It is sad because Elektronomia released a new track. It was not as good as I thought it was going to be)

Towards the middle it gets really, really repetitive :(

For some reason I didn't think this one was good when I first found it, but it almost sounds good enough to use now, looking at it again.

Amadeus - Imaginary

►

VRM

11:30 PM

At least you keep looking for new music instead of playing the same 5 tracks that everyone else uses . . .

Duarte Farrajota Ramos

Both are cool, though I like the second better

X-27

11:54 PM

@VRM I specifically try to avoid using the same pieces consecutively. (If I'm going to use one I've used before, I'll try to make sure it hasn't been used for a while)

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