The Renderfarm

Plastic deformation & Stiff quads I made several changes to the provided Blendfile to achieve this result. I'll try to summerize them focusing on the most important ones in a qualitative way, as to make a simulation look good what matter is the "whole": Stiff quads should be enabled. The op...

@gandalf3 @David are issues with addons topical? blender.stackexchange.com/q/44467/3127

gandalf3

5:32 AM

@GiantCowFilms yes

soon

11:30 AM

Hi there!
I'm working on a project to create an "IDE" for making fountain programs. The "IDE" should allow program visualization, should support loading / saving / editing fountain projects. A fountain program is just a set of lines, like "Nozzle #5, change color to green, set height to 2m at 0:05". I'm looking for an advise, which engine should I use. Is it possible to implement this project using Blender scripting (preferably, Python scripting only, i.e. without extending blender source code)?

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

12:47 PM

@GiantCowFilms cool

X-27

2:02 PM

@GiantCowFilms I could have- yah, I'll do that.

@GiantCowFilms done.

BookWyrm17

2:18 PM

...
So.
I've been thinking for a while. How many of you guys have created a full blown animation? Something big, more than a minute or two. Good lighting, nice textures, ect?

And if you have, how long did It take you? Did you do everything by yourself?

Gwenn

@BookWyrm17 I'm not aware of anybody in this chatroom having made anything so long or substantial (though I could be wrong). I certainly haven't.

BookWyrm17

Thats kinda what I thought.
My goal over the past forever has been to make lots of animations. For some reason I always thought I would do it by myself.
But if you look at the credits to any animated movie (at least, any good one. HTTYD 1&2 are my favorites) you'll see that they have TEAMS of animators dedicated to making each and every little thing. There are people who sit and make sure the characters HAIR is great throughout the whole show. There are about 20 people dedicated to lighting. The creation of a character takes an army. Its HUGE. And that is why they can make all these shows.

Gwenn

@BookWyrm17 Yeah, that sounds about right.

You're going to have to be clever about it if you want to put together something of the caliber of HTTYD by yourself. Or lower your expectations. Or get access to a team of subordinates. Or spend a really long time on it.

BookWyrm17

2:35 PM

No no, I'm not heading for HTTYD. :D (yet. Eventually I want to be a part of a place that does that kinda thing)
I've been wondering how I could set up a team, to see how it works and just experiment with an animation made by many, and I keep thinking about this place. I'm kinda hesitant, cause I don't really know quite how everyone would react, or anything, who would be available, who would be willing, ect ect. But I think it would be amazing if this chat room got together and made a video, a short, something interesting.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

@BookWyrm17 None of us

I am working on it, but as you said, most animated films have a dozen modelers, a dozen or more riggers and animators, a dozen lighting people, texturing people to get you to the moon . . . it is crazy

I find the script is the easy part :P

I probably will have to make an amazing trailer or something and hope I can scare up some funding

BookWyrm17

That was to the point.
I guess now I wanna know, why not? I'm still 16, so I don't have the same, time consuming problems the rest of you all probably have. (life in general is a lot of work)
Wait now I'm kinda confused.
I'm talking a short, something like 10 minutes long.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Exactly

Ten minutes = forever

24*60*10=number of frames

BookWyrm17

Yeaaah. But it would be 1/5 the amount of forever if there were five people working on it :D

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

lol, true

Gwenn

2:40 PM

@BookWyrm17 I'd be happy to contribute, if it's a story worth telling.

10 minutes is pretty long though, especially for your first serious animation.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

10 minutes is almost 15k frames, and of course that is the bare minimum FPS you could possibly use. Each frame will probably take a good 30 minutes even if optimized . . . so about forever to render

So even if you have the texturing and animating down perfect, rendering will kill you :/

Gwenn

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ Eh, if you aren't working under a deadline, render time isn't all that relevant.

BookWyrm17

I've gone totally out of my normal comfort zone here so I might as well try and convince someone.
@Gwenn What we would be doing is making it original for the group. No one person comes up with the story, so you would have a part in making sure its a story you want to work on.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

You will need to use renderfarms at that point

@Gwenn Sort of true, but not really

Gwenn

+/- a few orders of magnitude, anyway.

BookWyrm17

2:44 PM

Oh yes rendering would take quite a while. Still, it would be divided among the computers working on it anyway, or maybe even among some other people who wanted to help but didn't have time.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Two years of rendering

!!!

yikes

BookWyrm17

Its technically a renderfarm even if there's only five people rendering it, right? :P
Hoo boy is that divided or not?

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Not divided

BookWyrm17

Good thing there ARE renderfarms out there

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

600 hours of rendering

Gwenn

2:45 PM

Yeah, but I could have three computers rendering at the same time.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

I mean days

Gwenn

Probably a couple times that if I call a few of my friends.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

If I change the FPS back to 24 we can get it done in a year though

Gwenn

If render time is the only issue you have, you're in pretty good shape.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Anything I make will probably be much shorter than 10 minutes for starters

BookWyrm17

2:47 PM

I could have a few computers going too

Yeah, 10 minutes might be a bit long.. :P

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Now this all depends on what detail you want and all those decisions you have to make. You could make a stylized animation render in a few weeks.

Gwenn

Yeah, I'm all for contributing, but there have to be realistic expectations about what can be done. I don't think a 10 minute long animation is a good idea for a group of first-timers, unless it's all abstract or something.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

yeah

Gwenn

@BookWyrm17 I think the "10 minutes" thing is going to scare off most people in this room, but if you lower the expectation to a ~2 minute short, at least to start, you might get a few more people interested in helping out.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

I agree. We should make a spreadsheet with what everyone is good at too so it is easier to ask people if they can do X task

Gwenn

2:50 PM

If, somehow, things go better/faster than expected (this never happens--see "planning fallacy"), then you can expand it out if you want.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

lol, very true

BookWyrm17

That makes a lot more sense.
I waaass going from HTTYD to 10 minutes :D

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

lol

Gwenn

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ What's the longest serious animation made in Blender to date? Sintel? And that was like 10 minutes wasn't it?

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

I was going from Wall-E, Star Trek and the Halo promotional videos to a feature film . . . but decided better of it

@Gwenn yes, I think so

BookWyrm17

2:52 PM

A two minute short sounds about perfect. Now its more like 5 months of rendering, undivided :D

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Yay!

Now for a story

And a style

Photoreal? (cringes)

Abstract?

Paper?

BookWyrm17

Yeah!
Do you think anyone else will want to help?

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Claymation?

@BookWyrm17 Maybe

Especially if you show effort and progress

BookWyrm17

I tried actual claymation and its HARD

Gwenn

Not photorealistic. shudders

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

2:53 PM

@BookWyrm17 yeah

Better in 3D

BookWyrm17

Ok so Photo is out :D

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Maybe we should get the story and then decide what style best fits it

Gwenn

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ That sounds reasonable.

Do we want to animate an existing story or create something of our own?

I am more than happy to help with storycraft.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Something original would be nice, but it doesn't have to be

BookWyrm17

I would suggest Minecraft, cause its very simple, while you can still get some great stuff from it, but I might be biased, and some people don't exactly know what to do with it...

An original story. We could base it off of a song?

Whenever I hear a song I like I get a story out of it

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

2:56 PM

Minecraft is over saturating the stream if you know what I mean.

BookWyrm17

yeeeaaahhh :P Lotsa that

Do we start with the story or do we start with the world that the story will be in?
Like, do we want a real life theme, or a fantasy theme, or a sci-fi theme?

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Doesn't matter really

Just start spewing ideas ;)

Gwenn

I'm not sure what our first steps should be. Probably we should figure out how many people are interested in helping first.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

One will be bound to stick

@Gwenn Maybe

Gwenn

Because that dictates a lot of what we do later.

BookWyrm17

2:59 PM

mmhm. So we tag a bunch of people and say "Hey, wanna be a part of this?"

Gwenn

If it's just three people, for example, then that pretty heavily limits what story/style options are available, especially if those three people have a limited skillset.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

yes

BookWyrm17

yeah... Now I feel kinda useless. I've been learning and learning but you two are still way better than me.
I'll do what I can though.

Gwenn

@BookWyrm17 I'm not better than you at 3D stuff, almost certainly.

:P

BookWyrm17

hehheh, maybe. It depends on what exactly we are doing with it. Like, all my bones break when I try and rig them :/

Gwenn

3:02 PM

I have never done a rig, ever. :P

BookWyrm17

Yeah. Uh oh. This is encouraging. Immna take another tutorial. Lets also get some more people into this.

Who do you think might want to be a part of this?

Gwenn

@BookWyrm17 At this stage, just try to find people who are interested enough to want to hear more details as they come out. Don't ask anybody for real commitment yet, or you'll end up turning people away.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

We are mentioned in this post: blog.stackoverflow.com/2016/01/winter-bash-2015-hats-off/?cb=1

Blender.SE

BookWyrm17

Yeah, thats a good long term plan.
Oh man my dad just told me about a service project I have in ten minutes... I need to get my scout stuff ready.
Ahaha thats awesome :D

Gwenn

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ I was hoping to get my avatar in there, since I think I had the best use of the Amazing Grace hat. But ah well. :)

That Onion Knight hat was tricky.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

3:10 PM

yeah

BookWyrm17

I'm going to write up a bunch of short story ideas on the way to scouts and back. You guys think of some too! I'll be back in a couple hours...

GiantCowFilms

4:14 PM

@BookWyrm17 I can easily spend over a month working on a still image. In fact, they take so long I usually loose interest before I'm finished. And those are stills. Animations are far worse.

GiantCowFilms

4:30 PM

We have a tie as to the date for the HDR contest, through in your vote and join the fun! strawpoll.me/6460037

Radish of Knowledge

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ maybe later today, sorry you missed us. :D i failed but he did fantastic, so it wasn't super great anyway. :)

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ no:(

@someonewithpc that explains it...

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

ok

Radish of Knowledge

why? is there something on steam i need to do?

BookWyrm17

@GiantCowFilms well maybe we will need your attention to detail :D Really, if you want to help, even a little, help a little.

GiantCowFilms

@BookWyrm17 help? Are youg going to try make an animated film?!?!

Radish of Knowledge

4:40 PM

i voted, but i don't think it helped the tie. :P

BookWyrm17

The scoutmaster hasn't come to pick me up yet (he's laaaate) so I still have some time.
@GiantCowFilms Not a film. A 2 minute short. People from the chat, working together to actually complete something.

GiantCowFilms

What is going to be the look, style, and script?

BookWyrm17

Thats exactly what we are deciding now

literally

GiantCowFilms

I would go for pseudo-realism.

Which is where you make realistic textures and stuff, but don't expect to fool anyone for real footage

BookWyrm17

hehheh, the others shied away from photorealistic. But I guess Pseudo isn't really photo now, is it?

GiantCowFilms

4:41 PM

yeah

Radish of Knowledge

lol, i love this site!!! strawpoll.me/6473683

GiantCowFilms

XD

Radish of Knowledge

lol... i'm not that cranky

GiantCowFilms

?

Radish of Knowledge

go back to bed...

lol

GiantCowFilms

4:43 PM

:P

BookWyrm17

I made a google Doc to get everyone's ideas for something. I added a few of mine, plus one that I made a long time ago (I mostly added it cause it was the most detailed one)
If you like them or you want to add more, go ahead! https://docs.google.com/document/d/10nLKuCXzFfmYwHDpuCtiXsLNEkVTVMOeCYIfdq602L0/edit?usp=sharing

GiantCowFilms

With a quiz like that, what answers do you expect

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

lol

BookWyrm17

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ @Gwenn there's a doc up there to get the scripting and stuff done.

GiantCowFilms

You know what I've always thought would be a more viable film project. Create a 40 second or so "clip" from a larger film. It has all the learning opportunities, and also can be finished theoretically before you're fedup with working on the project.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

4:45 PM

Yeah

At least to get us started anyways

@BookWyrm17 Your name shows on the google doc, just FYI

BookWyrm17

ah. Oh well

I haven't figured out how to disable that. All my online friends seem to figure out my name

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

huh

Radish of Knowledge

@BookWyrm17 it's a cool name though

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

It is linked to your google account

BookWyrm17

:P I like it.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

4:47 PM

Try using a different account

BookWyrm17

Good plan. At least for things I am sharing with others

GiantCowFilms

My soft body dissapears on frame two.

driving me mad.

BookWyrm17

it still looks good to me. To my unsophisticated eyes :D

GiantCowFilms

On frame one it looks okayish

on frame two, there is nothing to look at except a tiny segmant of stem

BookWyrm17

Oh I see. Thats weird

Radish of Knowledge

5:01 PM

@GiantCowFilms sis it colapse on itself?

GiantCowFilms

No, its millions of kilomoters wide acording to the dimensions panel.

its like it exploded or something.

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

wow

No duplicate parts?

GiantCowFilms

Do you want the file?

'cause here it is: pasteall.org/blend/39996

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ Not that I could find

Radish of Knowledge

5:20 PM

i gtg

Radish of Knowledge

5:31 PM

this is how @GiantCowFilms describes himself. lol:

"Weird Al" Yankovic - White & Nerdy (Official Video)

►

GiantCowFilms

@RadishofKnowledge That is my theme song

I have it on my ipod

lol

heheh

your theme song.. XD

smoke break is your theme song, right?

Radish of Knowledge

5:36 PM

no... i like "I love this life"

LOCASH - I Love This Life Official Lyric Video

►

and my favorite for it's absurdity:

Chris Janson - "Buy Me A Boat" (Official Video)

►

GiantCowFilms

@RadishofKnowledge That is so country it is one step away from a parody.

Radish of Knowledge

except i don't like the video, cause chris janson is so skinny

@GiantCowFilms i like that song!

yeah, it's way worse

GiantCowFilms

yeah ... we get a bit of it here

Radish of Knowledge

@GiantCowFilms what you got against a guy thats happy to be alive?

GiantCowFilms

small town life - my truck - country girls - etc. That is just to country for me

Radish of Knowledge

5:43 PM

he likes a fresh cut field though, as a cow, don't you appreciate that?

and his church.

and he likes music

and that was "girl" not "girls" theres a difference

and he didn't say he loves his truck, just that he like driving it across railroad tracks

and i love doing that in my van too.

especially if there are people int he back seat. :P

and i like watching the train go by

my other theme song is this:

M. Ward - Me and My Shadow

►

GiantCowFilms

:P

bbl

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

cya

TARDIS Maker

7:41 PM

@EBrown I want to get Cities: Skylines

I've been watching a let's play series for it and it looks like a lot of fun

Plus I just like those sort of games

Roller Coaster Tycoon was (and still is somewhat) a big part of my "childhood"

Radish of Knowledge

7:56 PM

@TARDISMaker we're going to make an animation, wanna help?

TARDIS Maker

@RadishofKnowledge Maybe

What are you doing?

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

8:13 PM

no idea

@RadishofKnowledge Ah, just a really cool free game. Very similar to Minecraft clones, but with some neat twists

someonewithpc

8:38 PM

@RadishofKnowledge Animation of...?

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

He doesn't know

We are still deciding

someonewithpc

Oh, ok

So, a short movie?

gandalf3

The blender.SE open movie project? :D

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Or even simpler. But yes, along those lines

Gwenn

@someonewithpc Only 2 minutes long or so is the plan.

someonewithpc

8:39 PM

@gandalf3 That would be nice

gandalf3

ikr

someonewithpc

@gandalf3 We could call it that

Although, copyright might be a problem...

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

hmm

Gwenn

I like the name. Is there copyright on it?

TARDIS Maker

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ Ah, okay

someonewithpc

8:41 PM

@Gwenn Not sure...

TARDIS Maker

I'm in

someonewithpc

We could ask..?

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

True

Good idea

someonewithpc

@gandalf3 Can you ask the SE people if we can use that name?

TARDIS Maker

Is @GiantCowFilms? Cause if he is we've probably got a director of photography

someonewithpc

8:42 PM

Would we need to ask the Blender Foundation/Institute too?

TARDIS Maker

I don't think it's copyrighted at all

I'd think that we could use it without asking anyone

I think we'd only have to potentially ask SE

maybe

Chebhou

@zeffii Thanks, and could you write your answer ?

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker "I don't think" won't help you in court...

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

lol

TARDIS Maker

@someonewithpc yes... But there's a pretty low chance that anyone cares about us using that name, and an even lower chance that those people would care enough to bring it to court

Chebhou

8:45 PM

just blame @gandalf3 for it it's his idea

Gwenn

We should still avoid stepping on the toes of people we like.

TARDIS Maker

okay

someonewithpc

@Gwenn And it's not hard at all

gandalf3

@someonewithpc Use the name for what?

The title of the movie?

The project codename?

Our catchphrase??

someonewithpc

@gandalf3 Yeah, that

gandalf3

8:50 PM

oh.

someonewithpc

Or at least project name

@gandalf3 Or that

Like the Blender Institute does

gandalf3

I don't think it'll be a-... erm. I mean.. I'm not a lawyer and <insert disclaimer here> and stuff..

someonewithpc

@gandalf3 Probably, but just to be safe, right?

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

Just call it CultOfNewb, CON for short

lol

someonewithpc

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ From the Unencyclopedia?

That works

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

8:56 PM

sort of

X-27

9:28 PM

@poor lol, thanks for the votes!

@X-27 Two weeks ago, I discovered a link to my profile page in the 'about me' section of your profile page ;) — poor 3 hours ago

that link goes to current_user.

anyone who clicks on it will be directed to their profile page :-)

NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ

lol

TARDIS Maker

9:56 PM

artstation.com/artwork/KrkV9

That's really awesome

Cool seeing the process he used

@X-27 :D

That's awesome

EBrown

10:38 PM

@TARDISMaker It's friggin dope, man.

I love that game.

I get my rear kicked every time I play, but it's all good.

TARDIS Maker

:D

It looks like a lot of fun

I'll have to see if I can get notifications or something on it so I get told when it's on sale

Since steam really likes giving us discounts

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker Steam is terrible...

DRMs suck

TARDIS Maker

I just cleared out my email inbox

Feels so good not to see a bunch of promotional emails that I forgot to delete on the front page

@someonewithpc I'm not really going to complain, they're helping to make gaming on linux possible...

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker Still, DRMs

It is wise of you to avoid this (possible) holy war :P

EBrown

DRM is pretty handy sometimes.

Especially when you write a complex programme that costs a lot of money.

someonewithpc

10:52 PM

@EBrown Do you really want to start an holy war?

2

Radish of Knowledge

yay! i got my computer working!! it has a bad power supply

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ link?

6 hours ago, by BookWyrm17

I made a google Doc to get everyone's ideas for something. I added a few of mine, plus one that I made a long time ago (I mostly added it cause it was the most detailed one)
If you like them or you want to add more, go ahead! https://docs.google.com/document/d/10nLKuCXzFfmYwHDpuCtiXsLNEkVTVMOeCYIfdq602L0/edit?usp=sharing

6 hours ago, by BookWyrm17

I made a google Doc to get everyone's ideas for something. I added a few of mine, plus one that I made a long time ago (I mostly added it cause it was the most detailed one)
If you like them or you want to add more, go ahead! https://docs.google.com/document/d/10nLKuCXzFfmYwHDpuCtiXsLNEkVTVMOeCYIfdq602L0/edit?usp=sharing

someonewithpc

@RadishofKnowledge Yeah, but which one?

Radish of Knowledge

@someonewithpc we don't know yet

someonewithpc

@RadishofKnowledge No idea, then?

Radish of Knowledge

well, it's either going to be one of gwenns or gfcs

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