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Marc
Marc
12:21
@anonymouswho I can't find any definition of ψυχὴν that indicates it to mean "psyche".

Also, when Christ tells us "it would be better to lose one of our members" in Matthew 5:27-30, I think he was serious. I think he actually means it. From the perspective of those Christian sects, 99.9% of which believe in an eternal hell, consider those words. Would it be better to lose an eye or go to hell for all eternity? Now I know that universalist has a different definition of eternity, but take this in the context of orthodox Christianity. Was he
exaggerating?
Saint John the Evangelist was dealing with a group of individuals claiming to be disciples of
apostles of Christ, the Nicolaitans,
The Nicolaitans practiced things like cult prostitution, and other things found to be heretical. Liars are those who teach what was not passed down.
Please look into Linguistic Hermeneutics and Linguistic Hyperbole. Understanding the culture of the 1st century and earlier, may help you understand that which is actually being transmitted in the scriptures. This is a constant problem with many Christian Pastors, a monumental failure to understand the semetic aspects of language and culture of the Gospel writers. Matthew was not talking about the "PSYCHE" of individuals.
 
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anonymouswho
anonymouswho
13:55
@Marc The transliteration of ψυχὴν is psychḗ, and it's the root word of our English "psyche" and "psychology". It's usually translated into English as "soul", but I don't believe in dualism so I don't differentiate between my brain and what most consider an immaterial substance that is separate from our mind.
The verse about the Nicolaitans is four verses after the one about false apostles, and it's clearly a separate subject. John is writing to specifically to the disciples in Asia, which Paul says "This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me" in 2 Timothy 1:15.
I agree that if there is an eternal torture chamber where billions of humans will burn forever, then plucking my eyes out is a very rational thing to do. But then, and I'm not joking about this because it's terrible... I would have to agree with Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children before they were old enough to understand so they wouldn't go to hell.
She sacrificed her own eternal life to secure her children's eternal safety. How could I possibly believe this is not the most righteous action she could do for her kids?
Marc
Marc
14:34
@anonymouswho Andra Yates was a crazy person.

Because you don't Beleive in a Soul. Even though the Hebrew route word comes from Pneuma, like Pneumatics, The Greek allows you to say "Psyche" and not Soul. Revelation 2:7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the PSYCHE says to the Churches?
Now I know that the word used there is Pneuma and not the word Psyche. But the translation as it is used in modern Science to refer to the human psyche was not the original unscientific use. The original use, in the Greek language, was used to refer to the spirit which animates the Bible. I understand that you do not believe this, but you have to admit, that the original scripture writers of the time, meant SOUL.
Modernity
You don't believe Paul is Scripture, but continue to use Paul to convince me of your position. Please use your own standard to make your case.

There are always people who are trying to create their own versions of Christianity, the Judaizers, the Nicolaitans, the Donatist, the Lutherans the Calvinists and the Evangelicals in our day, it is very possible that John was referring to another false apostle in his day and very possible he was referring to the same movement.
There is no substance here, but how you feel.

I don't deny you your beliefs, I simply can't see a consistent reasonable rationale for having them except to make "you" or the person who believes it, happy in their own egos. There are elements in your theology that have gaps. As there are in Protestant mainline theology which more and more people, who care and do the work, are able to see.

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