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@Marc I have no issues with 1 John 2:24. John is talking about the actual Scriptures, and the words of Yeshua that were delivered by his actual apostles. But the apostles had no intention to teach, only to deliver the good news. Yeshua can be our teacher, because he says "the words I speak are not my own" 1 John 12:49.
Yeshua came in his Father's name, but... "if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." 1 John 5:43. Which leads us to Hebrews 13:7. First of all, I do not consider an anonymous letter to be "the word of God", but I like Hebrews and haven't found anything contradictory about it. As you know, there are no perfect English translations of the bible, so this verse is better translated as
"Be persuaded by those who come before you, and give way- because they watch over your breath like they're about to give a reason (cautiously)". In no way does this imply that we are to blindly submit to whosoever has been given a position of power. I really don't mean any cheap blows, but if we are to blindly submit to authority, then we must conclude that those priests who have been charged with sexual abuse were simply giving orders to those who should be expected to obey them.
If not, then several authoritative figures within the Church made a mistake and allowed others to have authority they shouldn't have had- which means it is theoretically possible that the same thing happened to a wealthy group of Romans 1700 years ago, so they are no more divinely inspired than Jehovah Witnesses or Islam.
 
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@curiousdannii Reformed Circles are Those denominations that accept certain teachings of the John Calvin. Reformed Baptist, like James White, R.C. Sproul, strict Calvinist, and a variety of Evangelical self-professed Bible-believing Churches that accept ideas put forward by some or all of the original teachings of Calvin where they mesh with the culture they were formed.
@anonymouswho Are you suggesting that the Catholic Church teaches dogmatically or by it magisterium that it is ok in some way for our clergy to abuse the laity? Christ tells us that false shepherds will enter the Church and so it has come to pass, not only now but in the last 2000 years. Christ also tells us that the Devil will not overcome the Church, which for the last 2000 years, Christ has kept his promise and it has not.
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I think you meant John 12:49 and John 5:43. Christ here is speaking after revealing himself to the Jews, who because he claimed to be equal with God, was persecuted by the Jews. In no way, does the Catholic Church teach that Jesus is not equal with the Father in heaven, just as the Scripture says, the Old Testament Scriptures speak of him, God coming in the flesh, and Jesus confirms that reality.
The Lord also warns us of those coming in their own names, not having been sent by the father, who some would fallow without question. This was a warning to not deviate from the teachings of Christ, a warning of Subjectiveness found so abundantly outside the teaching of the Chruch. Just look how often you use "I Believe" "I don't believe" "I have no issues" "I accept only these scriptures" Subjectiveness leads to distortion of the word of God.
I have tried to explain it to you with the example of my evangelical friend, it is a really difficult thing to bring to the forefront of a person mind.
The idea that it is our own subjective understanding that guides us. This is the reason for such division and perversion in Christianity. There is a desire for individuals to be saved, Luther wanted an easier way,
because he struggled with Sin, Calvin, had a strong personality and when Luther breached the Authority of the Church (understandably considering the abuses of some) Calvin used the opportunity with his brilliance to use the bible to create a community, denouncing the authority of the Church and making promises.
Promises of salvation to those who believe the bible as their authority. Interestingly enough, unlike many reformers of today and similar to the teaching of Luther, both Calvin and Luther believed themselves to be the interpreters of Scripture. Luther Protested
when his interpretations were challenged and Calvin even more so, forbid the laity from interpreting scripture, leaving interpretation to himself. When his interpretation was challenged, accusations of heresy were made and men were put to death.
The desire to have "Assurance of Salvation" was the driving force behind Sola Fide and the Protestant movements. The driving force behind this 15th-century creation was the development of the printing press, the ability to persuade un-educated populations who did not wish, by virtue of the nature of their flesh, to deny themselves any earthly pleasures.
This continues today. I can give you many examples of this subjective distortion. You don't usually hear Protestants, no matter what they teach, suggesting that in any way or possibility will they not go to heaven or any version of post-life you may consider valid.
Universalist take this idea of election, of salvation of self, one step further than the mainline Protestants do. They simply say that all will be drawn to Christ and will not be punished in Hell.
What is your interpretation of Matthew 10:28

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