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doppelgreener

02:22

@C.Ross Actually this might be pertinent: an approach used in another play-by-chat RPG community is to start a new room when there's a game. They have their D&D room where they just talk about whatever (like we do), but when there's a game on, they don't just host it in that room - they create a new room, and conduct the game in there, with the participating players joining and the rest asked to keep quiet.

Chat rooms in that system aren't kept around forever unlike ours, so once they all wrap up, leave the room disappears. Over the course of a few dozen games, though, we'd add a few pages to the RPG.SE room list. Either that's totally ok and we shouldn't worry about doing so, or we should take an approach like: each DM has their own room and they should go back to theirs for each game they run.

BESW

03:49

@JonathanHobbs Sounds like a meta question?

doppelgreener

04:00

@BESW About whether we should try to reuse rooms or whether it's OK to create a ton?

BESW

Whether it's okay to create a ton. Personally, I think One Room to Run Them All would be okay.

(Multiple GMs running sessions simultaneously is... possible, and a bridge to cross at the time.)

doppelgreener

@BESW It is at the moment!

@BESW Entirely possible, so long as one person is not in two at once, which could cause... issues for them? And should involve the two running in separate rooms.

BESW

Right.

doppelgreener

04:20

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Q: Is it okay to create a lot of chat rooms?

There's a few of us who currently play games of Fate in the FATE Game Room. All our games and chatter take place in that room alone, but at some point, activity may become great enough that we may end up running two games simultaneously, or otherwise cease to play our games exclusively within tha...

BESW

Thanks.

BESW

04:37

What kind of advantages should Oghias get a +2 to create cleverly?

> I Surprise Myself: Because I’m more talented than I give myself credit for, I get +2 when Cleverly creating advantages...

> I Surprise Myself: Because I’m smarter than I give myself credit for, I get +2 when Cleverly creating advantages that don’t deal with people.

Thoughts?

doppelgreener

04:55

I like Bruin Made Me Do It a lot, though I'm not sure when you'd invoke it. Uh... I Surprise Myself could really apply to all sorts of things, including people!

BESW

Yeah, I need to make that more.... nailed-down.

doppelgreener

I understand it only in part because Bruin is the worst parts of himself, so he could invoke it doing something he would never normally do?

BESW

Bruin Made Me Do It is for when Oghias gets nasty: cruel, cynical, particularly aggressive.

doppelgreener

Alright. I'm satisfied as long as I understand the sorts of things Bruin makes him do!

BESW

... I get +2 when Cleverly creating environmental advantages?

doppelgreener

05:00

I wonder what that eliminates? Stuff like baking good scones I guess!

So what's he actually surprise himself with?

BESW

The success of his plans, basically.

doppelgreener

Stronger and more physically capable than he thinks (even given how strong and physically capable he often is)?

Oh, more clever than he realises?

BESW

@JonathanHobbs No, it's a Clever thing.

I want the limitation to indicate that he's still not very good with people.

doppelgreener

Oh, okay. Sounds fine with "Cleverly creating advantages that don’t deal with people." (or "don't directly involve people") - try it out and change it if you need to. :)

BESW

Thanks.

With My Bear Hands: Because I am a giant, I get +2 when I Forcefully attack with my fists.
I Like to Take My Time: Because I am deliberate, I get +2 to overcome obstacles when I can take time to do it Carefully.
Bruin Made Me Do It: Because Bruin is my alter ego, once per session I may gain the aspect “Bruin’s Influence” (+3 to remove) with two free invokes.
Thick Skin: Because I am calloused and hairy, I get +2 when I Carefully defend against physical attacks.
I Surprise Myself: Because I’m smarter than I give myself credit for, I get +2 when Cleverly creating advantages that don’t directl…

I wanted to spread his stunts around so he doesn't fall into HULK SMASH territory.

doppelgreener

05:12

I like 'em and give them my Seal of Acceptable

Take good care of him now, and feed him three times a day!

BESW

He's used to just a couple of deer a week.

doppelgreener

No I mean my Seal of Acceptable

Or yours, now

BESW

Ah, yes. Of... course.

doppelgreener

<_< >_> <_< u-uh... I hear giants have really bad allergies to eating seals

BESW

He can keep my Astral Seal and Seal of Rassilon company.

doppelgreener

05:17

:D

BESW

I'm thinking that Thick Skin should be an extra mild consequence instead of +2 to defending.

It's more interesting that way.

> Thick Skin: Because I am calloused and self-reliant, I have a second mild consequence slot.

It has just been brought to my attention that Oghias is someone walking through a scary forest, talking to himself and looking for a mirror pool.

BESW

05:55

@HollandWilson Hi!

Holland Wilson

Hey.

doppelgreener

06:10

And then that links to a classy reference

Holland Wilson

Watching Warm Bodies. It's a cheesy romantic comedy with just the right gimmicks and juxtaposition that it's pretty funny.

Survival romantic comedy.

BESW

@JonathanHobbs That is, indeed, a pretty crazy face.

doppelgreener

I've been meaning to see that movie myself!

@BESW That sounds quite good!

BESW

@JonathanHobbs I like the flavor better, too: less "I can avoid damage" and more "I can endure despite damage, because I have to."

trogdor

yeah, it was quite a show

doppelgreener

06:15

@BESW That does sound really appropriate

trogdor

a little different than most zombie movies out there recently

BESW

@Ethan Hi.

trogdor

and it came up with pretty much exactly what I had expected and wanted out of it.

Holland Wilson

Cheesy movies that recognize that and play to it are pretty great.

trogdor

yeah

just about anything that recognizes what it is can be pretty great

BESW

06:22

One thing I admired about Ebert was that he always respected a film that achieved its goals: if it knew what it wanted to do, and did it well, he would give it that credit whether or not he agreed with it or liked it.

Holland Wilson

That's how I feel about DnD 4e. I respect it enough to leave it alone.

trogdor

mm

I have mixed feelings about it myself

BESW

Heh. It is, as Brian says, an excellent tactical engine. Possibly one of the best yet seen in RPGs.

trogdor

there are some wonderful awesome things about it, and some not so wonderful not so awesome things

BESW

But it was still D&D, and the very nature of the D&D ethos means it's an uphill struggle to achieve many of the things I want to see in a game.

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A: Is it okay to create a lot of chat rooms?

Building on Holland's answer, The Back Room: Live Tabletop Games already exists. If we could get it unfrozen, it would probably suit our purposes well until such time as two games are running simultaneously (which is a cross-that-bridge-when-we-come-to-it scenario, I think).

doppelgreener

07:12

@BESW I have been considering exchanging one refresh to give Stellata a stunt for creating advantages of some sort but I have no idea what I'd do exactly, so I may have to play things out first and see what kinds of advantages I'd like to go creating with her.

trogdor

yeah

creating stunts is tricky

doppelgreener

When I do I might seek some advice c(:

trogdor

especially once you start exchanging refresh for it

doppelgreener

Yeah I would definitely not want to go below 2 refresh

I will probably keep my 3 refresh unless I really start making use of refresh, but I suspect that's not something I'm strictly meant to do in the middle of a scenario

trogdor

if you did, I would expect loss of fate points

but I dunno

maybe the future loss of FP is considered enough

I don't know specific rules for that

doppelgreener

07:21

well I guess I'd have an easier time succeeding with style on creating advantages with a +2, which may be worth the trade-off. I'd also have an easier time just making basic success with them.

BESW

From the DFRPG Changeling template, which allows learning powers midsession:

> Regardless, any ability from this list may be added to your character’s sheet at any time during play, reducing current fate points and refresh as indicated by the ability’s cost.

trogdor

well

I know that

BESW

Hobbs doesn't, and he's the one who asked about doing it.

trogdor

but it has been indicated to me that DFRPG and other FATE systems are not entirely the same

doppelgreener

O: What else does this Changeling template come with?

BESW

07:28

Faerie vulnerabilities.

doppelgreener

Alright ;o

BESW

DFRPG changelings have one fay parent. They grow up as mortals, but at puberty they start gaining fay powers.

At some point they need to choose to go all-fay or all-mortal.

So you basically start out as a mortal, but with less refresh than most mortals, because you can pull in powers as you like from the list you and the GM came up with.

doppelgreener

Someone just showed me this image which gives me feels.

BESW

If you spend down to 0 Refresh, you become full fay and are an NPC.

If you decide to be a mortal, you lose all your powers, get the Refresh back, and get some bonus refresh on top of it.

Aw.

trogdor

08:34

that bonus refresh is something you get for choosing to be full mortal to begin with, by the way

it isn't something you can cheese out of choosing the changeling template, specifically

BESW

13:13

@C.Ross Hi.

@MrJinPengyou Hi.

C. Ross

14:02

@BESW good morning/evening

BESW

Two minutes into morning!

C. Ross

@BESW what do you do? You seem to be on chat 16 hours a day ...

BESW

I'm a self-employed graphic designer who works out of his home so he can help take care of his dad.

Also, I've had a really untenable sleep schedule since I got back from Haifa.

C. Ross

Cool

BESW

Not really, but your sentiment is noted.

C. Ross

14:11

sigh The limitations of text only conversation

well, I'll be around later

BESW

[wry] I know, just giving you a hard time.

See you around.

BESW

14:59

@Problematic [waves]

Problematic

[incoherent muttering]

Child forgot how to sleep, apparently.

But, hello!

BESW

Oooh, my sympathies.

Problematic

Thanks! Are we doing anything interesting today?

Mmm. I appear to be ravenous. You'll probably(?) be asleep before I return, but if not, I'm gonna take a shot at making some Bang! PCs

BESW

(I think you mean Lord of the Flies: The Piggening.)

Problematic

@BESW Yes. Yes I did.

Problematic

15:47

Need some bit of mechanics to prevent one character from immediately re-engaging an opponent who just conceded.

BESW

How a line like "Players, don’t be jerks about this"?

(Quoted from Fate Core 280, regarding not whinging if your extra has to get nerfed.)

Problematic

Mmm, I don't really want to leave that up to interpretation in a PvP game, but it could work

I guess since stress clears at the end of an encounter, it's not really a big deal. Especially given that the conceding player will have extra FP

BESW

The player may also be able to narrate his concession so that he's hard to get at immediately, or in a better position.

Problematic

I think I'm going to move development of the rules from GDrive to the discourse forum

BESW

Good idea.

Problematic

15:55

@BESW yeah, I like that. Although, is one allowed to concede to their advantage?

BESW

> Concession gives the other person what they wanted from you, or in the case of more than two combatants, removes you as a concern for the opposing side. You’re out of the conflict, period.

> Yes, you lost, and the narration has to reflect that. But you can’t use this privilege to undermine the opponent’s victory, either—what you say happens has to pass muster with the group.

> That can make the difference between, say, being mistakenly left for dead and ending up in the enemy’s clutches, in shackles, without any of your stuff—the sort of thing that can happen if you’re taken out instead. That’s not nothing.

(FC 167)

Problematic

Hmm.

Problematic

16:20

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BESW

Yeah, not surprised.

BESW

16:51

If I could get another look-over on Oghias, I'd appreciate it. I'm very aware of my inability to read my own PCs objectively.

doppelgreener

Aspect: More Talented than I Look

I guess that'd be invoked by feinting about being dumb and for doing stuff all smart-like?

BESW

He's probably not going to be deliberately faking very often.

I'm imagining invoking it for talent and compelling it for looks.

(And clearly, talent requiring looks is right out.)

Is there a better way to say that?

doppelgreener

How would it be compelled for looks?

Can you think of a quick example?

BESW

He looks dumb and hulking and he knows it.

If he'd come across the Princess Keredwel instead of Kirby, he could have been compelled to act ashamed, hide himself, etc.

But it'd be more for event compels: the Princess screams and denounces him as a hulking brute.

(Compels can be for things that happen to you as much as for things you do.)

C. Ross

@BESW How do you intend to use Lonely Mountain Man out of the mountains?

doppelgreener

17:03

@BESW I see! ;o And if a compel happened where the Princess screams and denounces him as a hulking brute, who's getting compelled? Her?

BESW

@JonathanHobbs That'd depend on the exact scenario, but I think it generally is a compel on the person with the aspect, because it's complicating his life, not hers.

doppelgreener

@BESW Alright! I guess it'd depend (sometimes it might complicate hers too)

BESW

@C.Ross It implies self-sufficiency, resourcefulness, knowledge of nature and its ways.

doppelgreener

(but maybe that'd be her aspect getting compelled in that case)

I like Oghias in general and I'm gonna sleep

BESW

ttfn

(It also implies a wild, unkempt appearance, being unskilled in the ways of civilization, and other compellable things.)

doppelgreener

17:06

@BESW I suspect there might be but as long as I understand it's also about not looking the part of cleverness at all, I'm happy with that

(I think it could do with conveying that more though: that he looks oafish, brutish, etc)

BESW

My Oafish Face Hides Talent or somesuch.

doppelgreener

I will see if i come up with anything overnight

Goodnight :D

BESW

@C.Ross Does that seem straightforward?

C. Ross

17:33

@BESW Most of it

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BESW

I wonder if he's related to General Conway.

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