whatever, quid - 2020-08-23

Xander Henderson

00:02

Any suggestions for a Bradbury story which is accessible to a 9 year old?

I'm thinking "The Veldt" might work...

Xander Henderson

00:56

I just found my father's "Rate My Professor" page. It is a work of art.

> This is one strange bird. Others say he's an old hippy. I can't see how that is a good thing.

> His quizzes are difficult & tricky. Its like he plays mind games & deliberately tries to trick you.

user21820

04:42

@XanderHenderson You are clearly somebirdy.

Oh I missed that it's your father, not you. So change "You are" to "He is". =P

Alexander Gruber

05:22

@XanderHenderson my favorite from my own: "Looks like Genghis Kahn and writes quizzes like him too"

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user21820

06:13

@AlexanderGruber Interesting.

> Alex, honestly is a strange, yet interesting individual. In discussion section, he doesn't quite make as much sense as much as he does if you actually go to office hours. HE IS AMAZING IN OFFICE HOURS.

Xander Henderson

13:22

@AlexanderGruber Fantastic!

Safdar

@XanderHenderson Do you have one?

Xander Henderson

14:11

I don't know... I've never looked.

It seems that I do.

ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=2299162

Safdar

>Overall, he's extremely quirky, but generally a good lecturer.

quid

14:39

Is there a ratemymoderator?

user21820

15:13

@XanderHenderson What on earth does "He spared us a $70 online code to do homework" mean?

Paramanand Singh

Nice website about rating professors (I am not in academia so really no idea that such sites exist). Now It would be interesting to read feedback about some of the mathse users.

user21820

@ParamanandSingh Lol. There are plenty of 'feedback' from cranks complaining on other websites that Math SE does not accept all their 'wonderful' and 'ground-breaking' math.

And also those who can't get their homework done on Math SE as easily as on other websites.

Safdar

@user21820 What does a 'crank' mean?

Paramanand Singh

@quid: ratemymoderator, that sounds interesting. But won't it create some sort of hierarchy in mod team based on rating?

user21820

@Safdar To me it means someone that refuses to learn when an expert in the relevant field tries to teach them. There is a spectrum, and some are only cranky in one field but not in others.

There are also symptoms of crankery:

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Q: Spotting crankery

Underwood Dudley published a book called mathematical cranks that talks about faux proofs throughout history. While it seems to be mostly for entertainment than anything else, I feel it has become more relevant in modern mathematics. Especially with the advent of arXiv, you can obtain research pa...

And prototypical examples are trisectors, and generally cranks almost always attack impossibility results.

quid

15:27

@ParamanandSingh I imagined it more in a lighthearted way.

Paramanand Singh

@quid: Ok here is the thing, no one is take my messages seriously unless they are about maths.

After all this room is for light discussions

quid

Indeed.

Paramanand Singh

@user21820: mathse is not really about getting feedback on ground breaking results. Maybe they can try contact some well known journals

user21820

15:44

@ParamanandSingh Indeed. I always suggest they submit to vixra if they ask.

Paramanand Singh

The "difficulty" on ratemyprofessors is about the courses being difficult or the person teaching th courses being difficult to deal with?

user21820

@ParamanandSingh It is about the student having difficulty with the course. =P

Paramanand Singh

Looks like MSE people are teaching really difficult courses. Perhaps only grad courses (they are bound to be difficult).

My experience is mostly from reading some GTM series books from Springer.

Alexander Gruber

Ratemyprofessor used to have a "chili pepper" rating which was how hot the professor was but they dropped it in 2018 under pressure from MeToo

Paramanand Singh

@AlexanderGruber: good decision for ratemyprof. Too personal feedback should be avoided in professional environment.

user21820

15:52

How many people here play chess for fun? (Sorry it's just a random question.)

Alexander Gruber

@ParamanandSingh still can't believe the number of comments i got on my appearance in written student evaluations through the university

@user21820 i used to, but then i got a national master for a roommate and got trounced so hard so many times that i only play at parties now

Paramanand Singh

@user21820: chess turned out to be too difficult a game for me. I never won any so I quit.

user21820

@AlexanderGruber Ooh. I used to have a national player as a classmate when I was 11 years old. I won only once when he wasn't thinking hard. It was so fun. Then we went to different schools.

@ParamanandSingh I don't particularly fancy chess, actually. I prefer Go and Hex. But almost nobody plays those, so I just take a look at what people play.

Paramanand Singh

@AlexanderGruber: I checked your page on university of Florida. I am sure the comments on your appearance were mostly positive. You should put that pic in your mathse profile. Disclaimer my own pic on mathse profile is rather outdated by 10 years.

Alexander Gruber

@user21820 last time me and toby played we had been drinking and he was pretty far ahead of me so I was sure I would get him this time. He was taking like half a second to make moves and talking with other friends who were over. Still destroyed me, it was like he was playing a child lol

user21820

15:58

Lol.

I suppose you would trounce me.

Alexander Gruber

@ParamanandSingh but then people would know I am not really a 4000 year old chinese emperor

Paramanand Singh

Hahaha

Alexander Gruber

@user21820 go is a fun game too. But I'm bad at it.

user21820

@AlexanderGruber I'm bad at it too. I just find the game structure more fascinating as the tactics are very much less ad hoc.

amWhy

@AlexanderGruber GO is the way to go! ;D

Alexander Gruber

16:03

@amWhy do you play too?

amWhy

@AlexanderGruber Occasionally. And chess, occasionally.

Alexander Gruber

I remembered you played some chess.

Maybe we need a math.se open.

amWhy

I played a lot more chess in grad school, in St. Louis, which seems to be a chess hot-spot in the States.

@AlexanderGruber That would be fun!

user21820

@AlexanderGruber Great idea! I might participate, if only because I would be last in any other chess contest. (At least on Lichess, I keep losing when playing blitz with a random player.)

Alexander Gruber

Well lets see we need at least 4 people for a tournament i think

amWhy

16:10

ONE-SYLLABLE words that rhyme with SAY, e.g., HEY!

BAY

The best month of all: MAY

Paramanand Singh

PAY

Safdar

HAY

amWhy

PRAY and PREY!

Safdar

DREY

STAY

Paramanand Singh

That reminds me of GREY and GRAY

Safdar

16:13

A RAY

amWhy

WEIGH and WAY and WHEY

Safdar

NEIGH

amWhy

THEY

STRAY

Paramanand Singh

DAY also works here.

amWhy

@ParamanandSingh Indeed, "Oh happy DAY"!!

Paramanand Singh

16:15

That's all I can think of right now

amWhy

SLEIGH SLAY

@ParamanandSingh Keep PLAYing! (Hint: word that begins with TR)

LAY

Paramanand Singh

You should not have hinted anyway TRAY

amWhy

FRAY

Paramanand Singh

There is also GAY, but I don't know if that's admissible here.

amWhy

SWXX

NAY

user21820

16:20

YAY

amWhy

@user21820 ;D

CLAY

user21820

SPRAY

amWhy

@user21820 Good one!

SWAY

Paramanand Singh

This is getting tough

amWhy

@ParamanandSingh Maybe we can expand into only two syllable words that rhyme with SAY, e.g., OBEY

user21820

16:23

REPLAY

Alexander Gruber

Cray

amWhy

@AlexanderGruber Yupster!

Paramanand Singh

STAY

user21820

ANYWAY

amWhy

@user21820 RELAY DELAY

user21820

16:25

@amWhy OVERLAY

amWhy

@user21820 We're on two syllable words now

user21820

VERLAY then.

=P

Alexander Gruber

Gourmet chalet

user21820

@AlexanderGruber Thinking of food, eh?

amWhy

@AlexanderGruber Awesome!

FILET

user21820

16:26

BUFFET (the one with food)

Paramanand Singh

STRAY

Will OKAY count?

amWhy

ENTREE

@ParamanandSingh Indeed it will!

user21820

RENE DESCARTES

amWhy

ALLAY

REPAY

Paramanand Singh

I was typing that allay @amWhy. Late

amWhy

16:29

HEARSAY

DECAY

Paramanand Singh

Ok ARRAY

user21820

ASSAY

amWhy

PREPAY

user21820

PUPAE

Paramanand Singh

What's the date TODAY?

amWhy

16:31

MONDAY, **TUESDAY, THURSDAY

user21820

HEYDAY

amWhy

FRIDAY SUNDAY SUNDAE

Paramanand Singh

FORAY

amWhy

HIGHWAY

user21820

PATHWAY

amWhy

16:34

MY-WAY!! ;D

Paramanand Singh

DELAY

amWhy

SURVEY

user21820

CONVEY

PURVEY

amWhy

FOREPLAY (Just had to add it!: It's a rehearsal of a play!)

Paramanand Singh

Hahaha

user21820

16:38

NO-SAY

MAINSTAY

amWhy

NO-WAY!!

user21820

PARLAY

amWhy

ASTRAY. ARCHWAY

CROCHET BOUQUET

Who will @quid PORTRAY Today?

HOORAY!!

If @quid is too late, his suggestion might DECAY

I hope in that case, that @quid does not go AWAY.

Instead, @quid can write an ESSAY for all of us in this room, using as many of the words we came up with today, as is possible.

quid

17:12

@amWhy no worries. I dissent with some words above though.

amWhy

@quid Then I want your essay! (This requirement will be fulfilled when you write a sensible ESSAY using 50% of the above words, or more! ;D)

quid

@amWhy I'll think about it.

amWhy

@quid You could be very clever about this, with minimum time invested, hint hint ;D

quid

"On this beautiful Sunday a few users came together to play a game. The goal was to name certain words. Many words were named: {liste here}. The end." :-)

Paramanand Singh

@quid: that was very clever!!

amWhy

17:23

@quid That's the idea!! (I want to see that list, though!) ;P

@quid Else I'll have to add one more word to the list: DISMAY

quid

@amWhy that's boring work. I'll do something more fun later maybe. Also you should be called amWay today. :-)

amWhy

@quid ;D

quid

I'll leave now for a bit. See you all!

amWhy

@quid C U!

amWhy

18:06

@AlexanderGruber, @quid, @Xander .. I've already flagged for mod attention, but an anonymous user has made 9 consecutive attempts to edit an answer (of mine, which I've flagged). I don't want to spend the next few hours rejecting their flags. PLEASE HELP?

user21820

@amWhy That's unfortunate. We now belong to a set of cardinality at least 3 whose members' posts have been vandalized anonymously.

amWhy

@user21820 This has happened to me before, and I've had to resort to asking mods to lock my answer (they can only do so for 7 days). This is crazy.

user21820

Yea it happened to us before. But this (recent) one is particularly abusive, right?

Left abusive edit messages on my posts, the worst of which a moderator erased.

amWhy

Someone who has a username, you can be sure, on this site, resorts to being a coward to vandalize "off the record". I just don't get it. I just don't get how this is tolerated.

@user21820 Me too shakes head in pity for the cowards

Tanks to the mod who handled my recent flag!

quid

19:31

I'll check @amWhy

amWhy

@quid In this current case, the edit suggestions did not amount to vandalism, but despite seven or eight rejected edits in the course of 20 minutes, they persisted to try yet again.

@quid My answer is now frozen until tomorrow, so no edits can persist, until after then.

quid

@amWhy yes I saw it. The flag had been handled already by somebody else.

amWhy

@quid Yes, that's why I said "Tanks to the mod who handled my recent flag" (Daniel Fischer, I've since learned).

quid

Indeed, I did not read the while transcript before replying.

amWhy

@quid while = whole? ;P Thanks for checking it out, @quid!

quid

19:43

@amWhy actually I meant to say "vile" ;D

amWhy

@quid Hah! ;D (Good one!)

@quid Actually, I don't think there are many words with W, H, and L in them.

quid

Howler.

amWhy

@quid Yay!

WHEEL

quid

WHISELY

amWhy

HALLOW

@quid define? Kind of looks like Whiskey or Wisely

HOLLOW

quid

19:49

@amWhy I meant the latter.

amWhy

WHISTLE

WHISTLEBLOWER

HELLOW??

SHALLOW

HOW LOW can you go?!!

quid

homeworklike

amWhy

@quid We get lots of those on this site! ;D

quid

@amWhy indeed.

amWhy

@quid As well as the occasional HOLLOW answers.

HOLLOWEEN

The last word was misspelled by me: Should be HALLOWEEN

quid

20:02

I thought it was a creation.

amWhy

@quid Well it is; it's the day after Halloween, when everyone feels HOLLOW, due to eating too much candy on Halloween!

quid

@amWhy shouldn't they feel full?

amWhy

I thought of another two-syllable word that rhymes with "SAY": FORTE

@quid Full of junk, but hollow of healthy food!

quid

@amWhy I'm really against this rhyming but I suppose you are right.

amWhy

I guess you're right, it should have an accent over the E.

QUE (por que?) DE (De donde esta, Usted).

quid

20:13

I think that's a different e though.

I think that in Spanish is actually the same e as in forté in French.

amWhy

The spanish E? Es pronounced like the A in Amy, or as in FILET, BUFFET....

quid

@amWhy but then it doesn't rhyme with say?

Actually what I said about forte is wrong, it's not of French origin.

The Spanish que has just an "e" the IPA is "ke" by contrast the IPA of say is "seɪ"

amWhy

@quid spanishdict.com/answers/205620/how-is-e-pronounced It seems there is variation. But you make a good point.

quid

For "filet" I guess it depends a bit. The English pronunciation is like say apparently but the original one is this ɛ

which is the e in wet, melody etc.

amWhy

20:33

@quid Creo que hay varios dialectos en todos los idiomas, incluso en el inglés que se habla en los Estados Unidos. Por ejemplo, mi primo Donny en CA, nosotros en WI lo pronunciamos como "Dah-nee", mientras que los primos lo pronunciamos como "Daw-nee".

quid

Yes, that's no doubt the case.

amWhy

@quid You seem to understand quite a fair bit of Spanish?

quid

@amWhy maybe I gambled... no I can somewhat read it.

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