Discussion on question by Gael L: What exactly is ignored in the "requirements" of a spell when Wishing for it?

Feeds

16:13

Q: What exactly is ignored in the "requirements" of a spell when Wishing for it?

One of the uses of the Wish spell is to emulate any spell of 8th level or lower "without meeting any requirements" of that spell. It is already clear from Wish's description that costly material components are to be discarded, but what about other requirements of a spell? In general, what is co...

Slagmoth

Possibily related: What attributes are considered spell requirements?

Rubiksmoose

Gael L

Different example has been picked for option 3. And yes, other unlisted requirements are to be considered too, if any.

NautArch

I think you need to streamline this to just ask the General "What is ignored for requirements when casting wish". Outliers exist, but asking for a review of every spell for outliers isn't really the best way to handle things here, in my opinion. It's better to ask about the outliers you're specifically concerned with individually.

Bloodcinder

I say remove everything but the first paragraph. Including those examples might predispose answers to focus on those examples or might bias answers regarding what their interpretation considers to be requirements.

Ryan Thompson

16:13

Also related: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/130648/…

NautArch

@Ruse Duplicate answers are not duplicate questions. But that IS a duplicate answer that Speedkat should post here :)

Ruse

@NautArch I see, good point, I'll undo my close vote

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Ruse

20:34

@Speedkat I find the differences between our answers to be interesting, in part because I used your answer as a template for my own.
The base assumption is slightly different "requirements prevent casting spells" vs "requirements prevent spells from taking effect".
The only practical difference for the outcome of those assumptions is targeting/range, and that practical difference only manifests because it is unclear whether targeting/range is part of the effect of a spell, the casting of a spell, or some other middle ground.

Rubiksmoose

@Ruse don't forget though targeting really isn't part of the casting if the rules for casting a holding a spell are indicative.

A: At what point does a caster define the target of a spell?

No explicit RAW, but evidence suggests target is selected when spell is released General Rule As you mention in your question, the part of the text dealing with readying the spell is the most compelling piece of evidence the book has: When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold i...

Ruse

@Rubikmoose yes, and that is exactly what I mean by "it is unclear" even that answer only sees suggestions for whether targeting is part of casting. And I could not find anything whatsoever to determine whether targeting is part of the spell effect.

Rubiksmoose

@Ruse I mean there is circumstantial evidence. I'm just curious why you went the other way when there's no evidence for that way.

Ruse

20:57

Because wish never talks about casting the duplicated spell, I wanted to argue solely from "the spell takes effect" to match wish's wording. I thought I would arrive to the same conclusions, because I thought targeting was part of the spell effect and hence would be duplicated.
But I couldn't find any evidence that targeting is part of the spell effect. Instead I realized that there could be no effect without a target and ended up with targeting as a prerequisite for the spell taking effect.

which is not to say that targeting is part of casting either

targeting is just not well defined, it could be it's own step between casting a spell and the spell taking effect

Rubiksmoose

21:15

@Ruse Fair enough fair enough. Just curious about your reasoning is all. I agree it is unclear.

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