I'm just saying that I've talked with the other mods about this and the consensus that has appeared is that the fault lies mostly with you guys for letting one new user - and a not so new user - cause such a raise from you
While we really really don't want to start codifying what's disrupting and what's contributing and writing down rules and the such, there is one network rule on chat for behaviour and it's be nice
As I said: At some point, shit has to hit the fan. We tried very different approaches to ending it, and none worked. And when we asked for help get this solved, nothing was done, and instead the blame is laid on us.
Ignoring is a good alternative to not being nice. Creating an hideout is a good alternative to not being nice. Not saying anything is a good alternative top not being nice
@badp We tried both. They didn't work. For ignore to work, it'd require everyone to ignore the user that's causing trouble. And we did hide. And it didn't work.
@badp I specifically ensured that I had an escape route in the event said individual figured I was talking about them, I could have easily clarified the comment as being unrelated to the current discussion
and in fairness, if Grace or the rest of the mod team care so much, they had their opportunity to prevent the escalation and refused to do anything about it
I hear what you're saying though and shall keep my thoughts to myself
We had Anna Lear clarify that mods can hand out suspensions for disruptive behavior - which it pretty much is when the Bridge evacuates twice in two days.
I understand that no mod wants to paint a target on their ass, I get that and I very much said that the moment we even began talking about the whole suspensions for edgy behavior stuff.
@badp I understand that when I shout about things like this I don't really get taken all that seriously anymore, but for the most part this is everybody complaining
not really - unless by "get involved" you mean "refused to do anything quite publicly and sent the message to those involved that no punishment was going to happen"
@badp None of which were actively around while our special users gained momentum. They showed up when we cried for help, and then didn't do all that much to end it.
@badp nuclear weapons unleashed from orbit, you don't have nuclear weapons that you can release from orbit? What do you mean there are no nuclear weapons ready to be unleashed from orbit? There are always nuclear weapons ready for being unleashed from orbit when I misbehave
I just wanted to be a little bit tactful and not share the mod team's thoughts with enraging background gloating from the other side of the argument, who also shares a portion of the blame
@badp Not the power. The willingness to use it. But even that, I don't overestimate: I understand not wanting to decide something like that, because it's edgy. But flat-out putting it on the people who asked for help is not helping.
@badp I refuse to accept that any blame is laid on the community here. At all. It should never have become bad enough for us to change rooms. And getting to that point is entirely the fault of the users causing the disruption. We were very polite and patient, up until that point and quite a long time after it.
It wasn't enough for gnome to be barely disruptive when chatting, or even just unpleasant. He was banned for direct personal attacks I don't see the shadow of here
basically, I'd love to ban people. but, if I start banning for things, I have to start banning for all the things - and there's a lot of behavior in there that is indistinguishable from trolling if you look at it just right. that was one of gnome's complaints, and he had a point.
it took a freaking act of congress to finally do something about his pattern of behavior. I wish there was an easier way to handle situations like this, but honestly, you guys collectively have more power with less oversight than any of us mods do
so, don't feed the trolls, ignore them. that's the most powerful thing any of us can do. I wish I could suspend someone from a particular room, and I wish I could enforce a hard and fast "be nice or else" policy, but I think very quickly you guys would revolt.
hrmrmrmrmrmrmrrrmrmrmmr am I allowed to flag someone for being intentionally mean to another user and admitting it? I just don't want to step over any lines / make more problems
@Fluttershy haha, fuck. That reminds me of this one time when a... certain user... started going on about his problems in chat. Another user pipped in with some advice, and he got all in his grill about giving him advice and getting into his business.
@Mana I think half the room has him on ignore already. The problem with putting someone on ignore is that you still see half the conversation he's having with other people
@Fluttershy this is why I have said poor graphics card, I can't find a high performance card that will drive three monitors that won't cost more than half my PC
@YiJiang'sEvilClone this is awesome on so many levels, forget cropping... I need more monitors
Can you still import the save? If so what happens?
