seriously though, more games need bows

I really hope I'm making sense with my concerns here...

@kalina Crysis

@Fluttershy I won't suspend users because they're low-level disruptive over a longer time if I don't know the whole history. This is about stopping the immediate problem, not acting on the big problem, which I'll leave to the Gaming mods. We can just ignore the room and wait until it's bad enough that stuff gets flagged, but then the dice decide who gets suspended

@Fluttershy perfectly

@Fluttershy I'm just trying to contain the situation, it's up to your mods to make the final decision.

@MadScientist I rather think I'd prefer the latter option. I don't want to shout "Help help I'm being repressed!" But... The most recent timeout was absolutely unnecessary, and the previous lack of action followed by a sudden call-to-arms just seems disrespectful, really... I'm not a five year old. Don't punish me or the rest of the room for the actions of one person.

It's official. I have no more whiskey. And a very high BAC.

I am failing to see how I am meant to detach this forth cog from this lift

@Fluttershy if you do opt for the latter option, it will attract a lot of attention from other mods and perhaps unwanted scrutiny upon the community.

Now I am going to do something ill advised like try to shave and then pass out.

Goodbye chat.

@LessPop_MoreFizz don't cut your throat or anything

nn

@kalina It is tricksy. Which ones have you done? Which floors, that is?

@Fluttershy That's why I just nuked all messages to stop the discussion at some point, but that's an even more destructive option than time-out, if a bit fairer, I think.

@Fluttershy I think I've got it, I'm missing the back left which is the top floor but just noticed you can blow out one of the walls

I love the precision aiming button on my mouse

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Oops, sorry. Cleaning my keyboard

@kalina Woo!

I hear your cries for moderators active during EU nights but we already have agent, mana, raven, juan. That's 4/6

I DIDN'T CUT MYSELF. WHOOOO.

@badp sad to say, but they're not you

@LessPop_MoreFizz gz

That should be good news. I don't think I could handle the likes of myself

@badp you would have done what was required though

There's also Ben Brocka; World Engineer was helpful yesterday night; Brian also tried to help

@badp Brian did jack all. He basically just came in and announced he would do nothing until you showed up

strange definition of help

@kalina He must have said kelp. He wanted y'all to try out his new seaweed dish and you all misheard him

Well I said 'try', he judged he needed some standards to judge on but while I understand where he comes from I refuse to codify behaviour

The last thing we need is forum layering

@badp What he did was worse than nothing. He essentially came in and actively antagonized those of us who were seeking a resolution.

If the best you can contribute is "Wait till a gaming mod shows up", you're better off not bothering to wade in knee deep before making that pronouncement if you're a complete unknown.

@badp you know, this isn't just me complaining here - I also didn't instigate the evacuation

We literally had people asking "Who the fuck is Brian?"

@LessPop_MoreFizz to me, this was a moderator basically advertising to the people involved that nothing was going to be done about it

It would have been funnier if he put the room under lockdown for five hours waiting for me to wake up

@badp we actually asked for this

@badp It also would've been more helpful.

Except people would've just fled here

@badp "would've"?

we have been here since yesterday

@badp This would've been the proper course of action, imho.

People who wanted to have a conversation could've opened their own rooms.

o_O

Closing the Bridge tells pretty clearly "What went on here is too much, we're gonna pull the plug right here."

and us coming here was fine, until Retrosaur followed us and then started quoting the channel in the bridge

@FEichinger I can already imagine the meta posts about mod abuse if that had happened. Freezing a site's main chat room is a rather extreme action

@MadScientist there would have been no cries of mod abuse from any of us, we actively asked for it to be frozen

@MadScientist With a proper statement clarifying why, that wouldn't be a problem, given that we asked for it on our own accord.

@MadScientist and to be honest, freezing the bridge would have been less abusive than sitting there announcing you're not going to do anything in front of the people at fault

Out of curiosity, room owners, can't you move messages to the android hell?

(not you personally)

@badp yes non-mod room owners can move messages

They might not be able to move them to gallery rooms

whether they can be moved to a room you don't own is another question

@badp Hmmm, I don't see Android Hell in the list of migration targets

Is the room still called that?

I can unleash the devils and make the hell world writable and, thus, a target for moving if it isn't one already

Last I checked that's what it was called

I'm not sure what the hell you expect a non-gaming mod to do. The stuff that was happening at that time only was not suspension-worthy. The whole backstory and everything together is problematic, for sure and might merit further action. But that is not something that has to happen immediately. The idea behind the network-wide chat moderation is to deal with immediate problems, not with long-term problematic user behaviour

@badp You'd need to either make us owners of the hell or make it fully writable.

And there were a few messages that would be suspension-worthy from Bridge regulars which I deleted without suspension. I don't think there is any side in this drama that gets away entirely blame-free

When you have a sizeable portion of your regular and active userbase complaining about the actions of a couple of people, something is obviously wrong

@lesspop I'd rather share ownership

@badp Give ownership to bridge owners then

and now I try to pass out because I am drunk and need to work in the morning but mostly I am drunk

Let me crawl out of bed first

Drinker than a drunken drinking drunk

@MadScientist I understand why you took the stance that you took and accept your reasons why, I just think that inaction is worse than allowing what has been going on for the last few days

@LessPop_MoreFizz you are working tomorrow with the amount you have drunk?

I don't think you'll actually get out of bed, let alone make it to work

Yesssss

@kalina Yes there is something obviously wrong. But if I suspended a user just because other users told me to, that would be wrong as well.

@MadScientist and therefore the middle ground would be freezing

which, incidentally, then happened multiple times over far more mundane things

@kalina Freezing a main chat for a longer time is pretty much unprecedented, in retrospect I would have just nuked even more messages to stop the whole thing earlier

Room owners: I have gifted you the powers of the Android Hell. Use them wisely.

If you're a room owner and you see a fellow room owner doing weird shit. Click on their avatar and pick 'remove room owner.' OR I REMOVE YOU BOTH!!!!11one

There's going to be so much mod abuse tonight. It's going to be glorious.

Pity I'll miss most of it.

@badp You know that one time I said you should never ever give me room owner permission because I'll probably add r/mylittlepony's /new feed to the room's feed list?

I'm so tempted right now

There are audit messages when you add feeds

just saying

@badp I'm sure nobody will notice that when a HUGE FLOOD OF PONIES crash through the room

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Feeds update ~5 minutes after the fact

Stop raining on my parade, pfft (and yes, I know how feeds work, thank you very much)

I guess that if you can squeeze the feed through and nobody notices and it posts a wall of ponies... well done, a winner is you?

I've experimented with them myself enough times

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Good, now I know who to blame when feeds take too long to update!!

@Wipqozn Done.

@FEichinger why was the room locked down all of a sudden?

I tried looking at the back log, but it's really long and I gave up.

@Wipqozn Retrosaur thought it was a great idea to come in here, refuse to leave, and cause trouble

@FEichinger Ah, so typical retrosaur. Gotcha.

Pretty much.

Morning @FEichinger

o/

@FEichinger high five?

I'm going off of this: urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=o%2F

wave.

Oh. So the O is the body and the slash mark is the arm. I get it :).

@Scootaloo The O is the head

@YiJiang'sEvilClone ok.

I'm going to go play Tomb Raider. Maybe I'll beat it by the end of the day, but I have no idea how long it is.

@Scootaloo The newest one?

Well... We could be in for a long night. <_< And I might lose power, so you all could be on your own.

Here we go again ... sigh

@badp Hello.

Honestly? I only opened the browser to check the latest homestuck update. I'm literally falling asleep with the tablet in hand

But yeah. Hi

I just put him on ignore. Problem solved.

hey

1

2

I'm still at 1

I don't know what you're counting

I was just iterating on your input

That would be too easy