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09:29
@Scientist @scaaahu please is it mandatory to have postdoc before being offer Assistant professorship.
09:49
@Michael This really depends on the institution and individual factors. My brother is a Math PhD, he got the Assistant Prof right after PhD. But, this was quite a while ago. Now, things changed a lot. There are much fewer assistant prof. positions available, so people just had to take postdoc and then got to tenure track position.
I know some people had to be 10 yr postdoc before he finally got TT. The whole thing really depends on a lot factors. It's not an iron rule that you must be postdoc before TT. It also depends on your field. Some fields are hot. You only need a couple years postdoc before TT. Some are unlucky. All depends. I guess @Scientist can give you more insights because he is active, I am not. I already retired.
@Scientist Care to chime in? Correct my mistake if any. I'd like to learn from you guys (The purpose I joined this site).
 
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12:55
@scaaahu thanks a lot for your response
@scaaahu though I am in Engineering field (Building services Engineering/mechanical energy Engineering)
13:15
@Michael I consider your field a hot one, i.e. better than theoretical fields.
14:07
@scaaahu Thanks for joining in. On the money issue: yeah, I totally agree in that it will be easier to save up in mainland China than in HK. (Given they pay you correctly, as some Chinese institutions seem to recurrently cheat on agreed contract & salary terms). However, from my experience I wish I'd tried out a contract in HK instead of mainland China, basically because of quality of general work conditions and life, and international reputation.
@CaptainBohemian I see you're still living in Beijing, right ? I find the night life in Beijing actually quite lively, e.g. around San Li Tun and some nice pubs & restaurants spread elsewhere. I wish I'd enjoyed more of it, but I was going through a bad bit. Also, as you say, public transport stops early (like almost everywhere else in the world) and one needs to rely on cabs. Taxi driver are frequently shady in Beijing, so I was wary of staying out until late.
Still, try out visiting and staying for some days in other cities in China, and you'll find out what a rip-off Beijing actually is. Rental was usually above 3,500 RMB for sharing small apartments (and dodgy toilets) with total strangers.
@Michael concerning the postdoc vs. TT status, I'd say you should be very careful about your expectations on this. The details are strongly circumstance-specific, but in general reality is: Academia wants you to stay serving as a postgrad student or postdoc indefinitely, and leave TT and staff positions reserved for protected individuals.
That said, there can be no rule. In my home country, most colleagues I know that made a smooth transition to TT positions did not invest in a posdoc. They had strong connections made as PhD students and had no great issues in finding a position. Many regret not having taken a postdoc, because that's when you get the chance of truly doing full-time research. But I think they'd risk joiining the postdoc jumping game.
My advice is, if you carve for a TT position, focus hard on your political-status connections. It may be easier straight from PhD if you publish in prestigious journals. When you start postdocing you'll tend to digress more from mentors while struggling to become more independent, and you'll have to rely more and more on highly prestigious 1st authorships. This game is hard and rather dirty, and the great majority will never get (actually get given) a fixed contract.
We have an excess of PhDs and paper-producing machines.

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