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Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
00:30
@amWhy you say that as I write this... (well I'm kinda late, but whatever.)
(replying to your latest comment about humiliation on the Q&A page)
To be fair, one could search through a user's comments to try and find such examples, but boy is a pain to search through :/
Dx
quid
quid
00:54
@SimplyBeautifulArt what are you searching for?
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
Hello, SimplyBeautifulArt! I am not targeting you alone; I'm asking this of all candidates. I find the best moderators are those with a sense of humility; sometimes this may be expressed through self-deprecating humor, and/or when they are able to own up to mistakes, and apologize, if needed. (We all make mistakes, even moderators.) Could you share a situation on this site when you knew you were mistaken, and acknowledged it? — amWhy 3 hours ago
lol
I gave up cuz searching for generic things through comments is a pain
quid
quid
Ah. I cannot help with that either.
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
xP
quid
quid
Maybe I could go through your answers and point out some shortcomings ;D
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
lol
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
01:31
@SimplyBeautifulArt Wait... what did I do?
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
@XanderHenderson haha...
Don't worry, we're just interrogating you for future reference :-)
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
o... kay...
slowly backs away while maintaining eye contact
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
says something about .../user/current/... still amusing
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
ah!
read the link more carefully
dumbass
Imma go hide in a corner now
ignore me
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
lol
 
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Martin Sleziak
Martin Sleziak
06:28
@SimplyBeautifulArt If you can think of specific word to search, then SEDE can be a useful tool for searching in comments: data.stackexchange.com/mathoverflow/query/662697/… or data.stackexchange.com/math/query/556789/… or
Also data.stackexchange.com/math/query/556790/… or data.stackexchange.com/math/query/615875/… etc.
But this is probably not exactly your situation.
Meta: Searching comments and How to browse or search comments?
@AsafKaragila I was surprised to find out that Andrés E. Caicedo was a candidate in MO election: mathoverflow.net/election/1 (Considering that he explicitly said that he prefers to avoid meta - which is hard to do if somebody is a mod. But maybe this is just Mathematics Meta, usually there's not much going on on Meta.MO.)
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@MartinSleziak That was one of the reasons I suggested him to run (half jokingly, on this chat)...
Martin Sleziak
Martin Sleziak
06:50
We'll see. But that would be probably too many set-theorists among candidates.
Although I have to admit that I would not be able to say what is area of interest for each of the current moderators.
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@MartinSleziak (1) There is no such thing as too much set theory. :)
@MartinSleziak (2) Of course he declined.
Martin Sleziak
Martin Sleziak
Isn't that saying actually about linear algebra?
@AsafKaragila In this election, nothing can be taken for granted.
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@MartinSleziak That seems like an overdramatization of the truth...
Martin Sleziak
Martin Sleziak
> As Benedict Gross said in one of his lectures, “You can never learn too much linear algebra."
From Quora: quora.com/…
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@MartinSleziak I'd argue pretty much the opposite... :P
Martin Sleziak
Martin Sleziak
06:55
@AsafKaragila I can think of at least one candidate that explicitly said they do not want to be a mod.
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@MartinSleziak Simply Beautiful Art? I think they ran last time too...
Martin Sleziak
Martin Sleziak
07:47
There is one candidate from Brazil, one candidate from India. Which parts of the world are geographically underrepresented among the current moderators? (Although I would not consider this the most important issue when deciding who to vote for.)
As far as I can tell, mods are mostly in Europe in Americas - nobody in the Asian timezones. (OTOH we have probably more regular users from these parts of the world, too.)
 
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Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
15:00
@MartinSleziak xD what makes you say that?
quid
quid
15:18
@MartinSleziak I am not sure this is quite true in a historical sense. There are more than thousand questions on the current meta, and one would need to add the 1500 plus threads on the old meta. That's about a third of our meta, while they only have a tenth of the questions on main.
amWhy
amWhy
15:53
Election starts today!! (Or so I hope :P)
quid
quid
16:25
Yes, in something like three hours;
three and a half.
amWhy
amWhy
@quid Indeed!
quid
quid
If things didn't change we can trace how many vote in near real time.
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
16:45
@quid Creepy!
quid
quid
@XanderHenderson not only how many, but even who.
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
>.>
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
And who for!
SUPER CREEPY!
amWhy
amWhy
:D
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
whom for?
for whom?
for who?
GAH.... GRAMMARS!
amWhy
amWhy
16:55
Should be "And for whom!" ...
But we should make the "whom" plural, so how about "And for whoms!" :P
quid
quid
I guess it's clear anyway, but we only know who voted.
Not what their vote was/is.
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
oh right :-)
amWhy
amWhy
17:11
@SimplyBeautifulArt My question was not about any candidates sense of humiliation, but demonstration of humility: The quality of being humble, and of recognizing not just one's mathematical strengths or weaknesses, but one's interpersonal strengths and weaknesses. In any case, you're the only one who didn't answer the same question below answers to the questionnaire.
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
D:
Hm, okay
amWhy
amWhy
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@SimplyBeautifulArt I didn't make myself entirely clear about "mistakes", so your answer is fine. Mainly, I'm thinking it might only help you to say what you wrote here, as an answer, in the comment thread before your answers to the questionnaire. But not a make or break issue, for me!! :P
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
17:26
I'll look into it. Thanks for the clarifications @amWhy
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
18:02
I'm not sure how many votes I'm going to cast this election.
quid
quid
@AsafKaragila have you lost oversight over all the socks? ;-)
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
18:28
@quid Yeah. That's why I'm running for mod, so I can find them!
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
Did you look in the top drawer?
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
Oh, smart. I need to buy new socks ever few weeks.
But if I was moderator...
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
I keep all of my right socks in the top drawer, and the left socks in the drawer just below that.
amWhy
amWhy
@XanderHenderson :P
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
@Surb I'll also say, though I've been very active on meta recently, there are still many things in it that I am not familiar with. No doubt, I am one of the newest to this site out of all of the candidates, and my meta activity mostly began only a few months ago. — Simply Beautiful Art Oct 10 '17 at 17:18
Not entirely sure, but I think this is an example of being humble? @amWhy
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
18:36
@XanderHenderson Lord Russell is displeased by your choice.
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
O.o
amWhy
amWhy
@SimplyBeautifulArt good enough for me!
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
@AsafKaragila Should I be keeping the left socks in the top drawer and the right socks below?
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
@amWhy \o/ wipes off sweat
amWhy
amWhy
@SimplyBeautifulArt Hot and humid day down in Florida, today? :P
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
18:46
Before this moment, I had the unconscious belief that all people fell into two categories: those who didn't sort their socks, and those who matched the pairs together. Now I know better.
@amWhy :P That's most of the summer
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TheSimpliFire
TheSimpliFire
4 minutes and counting...
1 hour left.
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
19:02
@SimplyBeautifulArt I don't sort my socks, but I do put the left socks in one drawer, and the right socks in another.
That way, I can just reach into each drawer, pull out a sock at random for each foot, and get on with my day.
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@XanderHenderson Please tell me that your left shoe looks just like your right shoe...
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
>.>
amWhy
amWhy
@XanderHenderson like a black and white polka-dot left sock, and a neon-pink right sock?
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@SimplyBeautifulArt !!%^@#$$!@@@...>>==-)
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
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@AsafKaragila Uh... no?
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
19:06
@XanderHenderson Well, then. Lord Russell is very displeased by your way of handling the socks and shoes situation.
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
Oh, well.
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
Wow. It's crazy.
I'm running for moderator.
Maybe I should withdraw from the race, now that there's less than 50 minutes left.
Someone help me find a fair coin and flip it.
(I'm too lazy to leave the couch.)
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
D:<
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
@AsafKaragila I just flipped a fair coin. It landed edge on.
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@XanderHenderson Hmm. Let's ask the computer if I should stay in the race...
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Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
19:11
well drat
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
Dx
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@SimplyBeautifulArt Is that a differential form?
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
inb4 RNG says we should all quit
@AsafKaragila yes, of course
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@SimplyBeautifulArt But I thought that x marks the spot, and so you're differentiating with respect to "the spot". What would that give you? Tectonic information?
@SimplyBeautifulArt What's inb4?
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
inb4 = in before
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
19:14
@SimplyBeautifulArt In before what?
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
before RNG says we should all quit
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@SimplyBeautifulArt RNG?
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
random number generator (i.e. computer simulated coin flipping)
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@SimplyBeautifulArt Okay, yes, I know. But I'm asking, where do you get that RNG? I thought that the universe was all determined, once you have access to the entirety of quantum information.
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
Precisely why everyone quitting from their nominations must be an act of fate.
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
19:16
@AsafKaragila I'm certainly not joining.
I'm also certainly not writing right now, so what difference does it really make?
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
lel
maybe we'll force @JyrkiLahtonen to re-run
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@SimplyBeautifulArt When I was a sophomore, in calculus 3 the professor let us turn in a home exam/paper instead of sitting through an exam. And he said that if all the papers come back exactly the same, he will just assume it's a statistical anomaly.
@SimplyBeautifulArt I wrote a thesis about forcing!
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
xD I suppose you can't have too much set theory eh?
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
@AsafKaragila But how did you force yourself to write?
Maybe I need to read the thesis to find out.
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
@MikeMiller Correction: it forced him
amWhy
amWhy
19:18
@AsafKaragila Not according to Lord Russell.
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@MikeMiller Easy!
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
I can't tell if you're about to tell me the answer, or if that is the answer.
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@amWhy He was a phisophoser, not a physicist...
quid
quid
"phisophoser" <- typo or what?
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
@quid no, just another reason to become moderator
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
19:30
More like "philoso-POSER", amirite?
amWhy
amWhy
@XanderHenderson urrite
We're closing in on the home stretch, folks. I just decided I'll run as a moderator. Give me 15 minutes to post my announcement!
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
oof
amWhy
amWhy
....Not.
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
@amWhy I expect BIG thinking from you.
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
owo
amWhy
amWhy
19:40
I thought I'd test out how well the CMs have learned from the 2012 MSE election!
quid
quid
@MikeMiller he did not have much choice.
amWhy
amWhy
I am joking, folks! I've no plans to run. Perhaps, given 2012, it is too dark a humor, as to not be funny.
quid
quid
@amWhy that's a pity, but the "...Not." already gave it away. :-)
Jyrki Lahtonen
Jyrki Lahtonen
19:56
@Simply I won't run this time. I'm no longer moderate. Besides, if all the rumors are to be believed, I will never have to run again. I can just ask for the diamond back. At least that's what some mods from other sites said :-) But, we need other people to lead the formation of a big compromise. Or the war, if it comes to that.
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
:P
oof here we go
quid
quid
It's on.
Jyrki Lahtonen
Jyrki Lahtonen
So five candidates it is. Unless, somebody is still typing their nomination (IIRC the system allows a grace period for that).
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
@quid This is a really good joke. I was impressed.
user7530
user7530
No last-second nominations, it seems
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
20:02
Say, does anybody have the link to how the election voting stuff works?
Oh nvm
Meek STV method
quid
quid
A point to know is that one can change the votes at any point in time. Thus, one can vote away quickly. No need to wait around until the last minute.
amWhy
amWhy
@quid Excellent point, @quid.
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
Can you remove a vote as easily as you have cast it? May I vote for fewer than 3 candidates and have my votes counted?
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
Yes and yes.
Yes?
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
It is not clear to me how to reduce the number of people you have voted for once you have voted for them.
quid
quid
20:06
Regarding the rest, one selects up to three candidates. The order is of crucial importance, but it basically always makes sense to make all three choices. It's not that a vote for the first choice counts any less when one has other votes.
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
Ah, vote for your 1st choice as your 2nd or 3rd choice.
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
(Changing votes is very easy, as is retracting votes)
amWhy
amWhy
@MikeMiller No, vote for your first choice as your first selection, second as second, and you can hold off voting on any third choice if you are uncertain, or else select a third choice and you can change that later.
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
@amWhy You misunderstand, I think. If one has voted for 3 and would like to reduce that to 2, you have to figure out the mechanism to do so. (Vote for one of the top 2 as 'third' to remove your 3rd vote.)
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
@amWhy The question was how to retract a vote, which you can do by changing the ranking of someone.
amWhy
amWhy
20:09
Alrighty, I've been corrected.
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
I do not think I understand STV. But that's ok.
quid
quid
@MikeMiller it's not really crucial to know the details, what's key is that you have one vote, which is given to your first choice. This vote (or part thereof) is then transferred to your second choice once your first choice is either elected or eliminated.
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
ok, I was hesitant to believe your claim that you should almost always vote for 3 people, thinking it would be something akin to a Borda count.
quid
quid
So, vote as if you have one vote, for the 1st. Then, do the same considering all candidates but the 1st one for the 2nd. And likewise for the third.
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Mike Miller
Mike Miller
Can that be stickied?
quid
quid
20:16
Some more details are here:
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Q: Do I have to cast three votes in the election?

Asaf KaragilaWe are given three votes to cast in the moderator election. What happens if one casts only one or two votes? And how does such behavior plays within the STV system used?

support election
@MikeMiller I hesitated a bit to pin my own message, but it's done.
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
I get that. But I hope it will be helpful to others.
robert bristow-johnson
robert bristow-johnson
20:47
how are the 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice votes tallied to pick a winner? what is the algorithm? (there are multiple ways to do Ranked-Choice Voting, not all equivalent.)

is it Instant Runoff Voting? or is it a Condorcet-compliant method? (let's hope it's neither Borda nor Bucklin.)
fonini
fonini
Meek STV; just read the links above
 
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Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
21:55
So, how many people voted so far?
amWhy
amWhy
@AsafKaragila net count: -93
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
Negative? Hm, people sure are removing their votes!
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@amWhy By my count there were like 9-10 pages of new Constituent badges. So... that many.
amWhy
amWhy
@AsafKaragila Clever aren't we? :P
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
@amWhy Wouldn't be here if we weren't...
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
22:07
@AsafKaragila Does here mean MSE, or this chatroom?
I have some easy counterexamples to the first.
Tanner Swett
Tanner Swett
So... 93 people have voted?
Michael Greinecker
Michael Greinecker
@AsafKaragila I think you should be careful. Mentioning Russell three times channels GC.
Tanner Swett
Tanner Swett
At my count, 517 badges have been awarded for this election.
amWhy
amWhy
@TannerSwett No, I was joking, when I wrote that (minus) 93 people voted. In truth, your count is accurate, at this point.
Tanner Swett
Tanner Swett
nod
amWhy
amWhy
22:12
@MichaelGreinecker (I'm to blame for one such mentioning) :(
Michael Greinecker
Michael Greinecker
@amWhy None of us is perfect. I for one never answered a question in terms of the Principia Mathematicae...
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
On checking, I was wrong.
quid
quid
22:40
@AsafKaragila HINT: "Awarded 4679 times" was the status of the constituent badge before this election, it is now "Awarded 5228 times." Can you take it from here? ;D
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Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
22:57
@quid I'm not a number theorist, sorry.
@quid If the stats are going to be similar to the last elections, then about a third of voters have already cast their ballots.
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
wow
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
@quid So... uh... $4679 + 5228 = 9907$. Over nine thousand people have voted!?
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
@AloizioMacedo I didn't realize you were getting into symplectic topology. I was already glad to vote for you before I realized I was supporting the spread of our little discipline.
Xander Henderson
Xander Henderson
Oh... wait... maybe I should have multiplied?
WHY IS MATHS SO HARD?!
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
23:12
@XanderHenderson Because... SCIENCE!
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
On the other hand maybe "electing math.SE moderators" is not the best way to spread a discipline.
Simply Beautiful Art
Simply Beautiful Art
OTOH you should definitely vote for me for the (big-numbers) tag *wink*
amWhy
amWhy
Sorry I can't be part of the club, fellas!
Aloizio Macedo
Aloizio Macedo
@MikeMiller Well... I am trying to, at least. To be honest, I am essentially getting into that stage where I am overwhelmed with, to quote you, the "heavy lifting to set [it] up". It is a little hard to feel comfortable, but I am starting to appreciate the whole context of the area.
The very beginning was pretty rough, but I am glad I chose to go through this way : ).
quid
quid
@AsafKaragila There I thought it was about determining the cardinality of a complement of a subset, given the cardinality of the set and the subset. Can you do that?!
Asaf Karagila
Asaf Karagila
23:21
@quid Only if the set is infinite... :P
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
23:47
@AloizioMacedo Feel free to talk to me about it at any time, in Math.SE chat or via email.
amWhy
amWhy
@robjohn "the mean square": Glad to see you here!

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