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Lauren once said that the original plan was to even include an episode that would explicitly state that she had an actual physical disability.
> Scootaloo: Just because I look up to you doesn't mean I have to be you! But based on your definition of what makes somepony great, I have bad news. I'll never be the best of the best or a Wonderbolt! Because I! Can't! Fly! Is that what you wanted to hear? But not being able to fly doesn't mean I can't do something awesome!
So, that line acknowledges that her issue is not one of "late development" like you could assume at the start of the show (it is not uncommon for girls to be bullied because of that) but an actual disability.
Sunset Shimmer.
Everyone in EG seems to have an alternate version in the "human" world. That is quite coherent with the way the mirror works in the official comics.
Everyone in EG seems to have an alternate version in the "human" world. That is quite coherent with the way the mirror works in the official comics.
Sunset is a pony that escaped to the human world. So, it is pretty obvious to ask yourself "where is the human Sunset Shimmer?
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It was recently revealed that she was indeed planned to have an human counterpart, but the episode that should have included that was cut because... reasons. The only remaining proof of this is a tweet by Nick Confalone, former staff member for the Equestria Girl show. In the tweet he posted this...
It is unknown if this actually meant that they planned to have human Sunset stay in the human world and the pony version to return to the main show.
Some believe that Starlight Glimmer later episodes were actually originally intended for Sunset. Which would make a lot more sense imho. You could even argue that maybe the original plan wasn't to have "future" Twilight to replace both Luna and Celestia but to have Twilight and Sunset both become the two new princesses (remember: Sunset was the previous pupil Celestia had before Twilight)
Trixie.
Another case of "looks like they had something planned, yet nothing came out of it". Again, some of Starlight Shimmer episode looks suspiciously fitting to that idea.
Another case of "looks like they had something planned, yet nothing came out of it". Again, some of Starlight Shimmer episode looks suspiciously fitting to that idea.
Trixie is first presented as an "antagonist". She is a wandering show pony that do magic trick for a live. She is quite "arrogant" and usually mocks her public to seem more "great and powerful". Obviously this gets her in a fight with Twilight when she goes to Ponyville.
Season three she returns to challenge Twilight using a talisman she got in a shop. A somehow cursed talisman.
> Trixie: It's the least I could do. I treated you and your friends so horribly when I was wearing that Alicorn Amulet. I just couldn't control myself. You can forgive me, can't you?
Twilight Sparkle: Hmmm. Sure.
Trixie: Oh, good. Don't you think the Great and Apologetic Trixie is the most magnificent humble pony you've ever seen?!
Twilight Sparkle: Hmmm. Sure.
Trixie: Oh, good. Don't you think the Great and Apologetic Trixie is the most magnificent humble pony you've ever seen?!
By the time Starlight is basically living with Twilight in her castle, in a sort of "teacher-student" relationship to "learn about friendship". Oddly enough you will see Trixie trying to learn some advanced magic spells... from Starlight.
Trixie is a wanderer pony that travels around the world in a little caravan, somehow reminiscent of a "gypsy" stereotype. But why she does that in the first place? She seems very insecure (the "great and powerful" being very similar to Dash own personality - and yep, we discover that Dash indeed had insecurity issues and needed to tell herself she was good) so.. why should she do something that causes her discomfort?
And why she is so competitive to Twilight specifically? Yep, she is the one that defeated her both times, but it is not like the other Main Six didn't had a role. So, why is she so focused on Twilight specifically?
My head cannon is that Trixie was intended either as an orphan or someone that got in a fight with her family because they wanted her to do something else or saw her as a failure.
She probably loved magic since she was a filly, and probably even tried to go to "Celestia's magic school" or something similar...
She probably loved magic since she was a filly, and probably even tried to go to "Celestia's magic school" or something similar...
But if you believe the info we got in the show, getting there requires both skill and a ton of sheer luck. See Twilight, Radiant Hope and later Sunburst.
Maybe she actually tried but then wasn't able to keep up and got away, breaking up with her family in the process.
This would also mean that "Twilight" would be for Trixie both the symbol of her failure and a pony that got everything she wanted on a plate because she "is Celestia favorite". What best reason for resent her?
This would also mean it would have been very heartwarming to include an episode where finally Trixie "breaks up", confess her true sentiments and pains and becomes actually friend with Twilight, maybe even settling somewhere in Ponyville.
It is worth noticing that Trixie in EG is far more "friendly" that the original counterpart. It is true that by the time EG was made pony Trixie was already redeemed but it would also fit logically.
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@SPArcheon wait what? when did it ever seem like Trixie was supposed to open up to Twilight? Starlight is actually a better fit for him.
@SPArcheon I also don't think the show ever planned to answer where Scootaloo came from and where her parents are. sure, we as fans speculated about it, but I don't think I expected the show to go there.
@SPArcheon No it's not. Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle are introduced in S1 E12 as new friends of Apple Bloom. They become friends because neither of them have cutie marks while most of the schoolponies of the same age have theirs. Diamond Tiara teases them about their cutie marks, but not yet because Scoots can't fly.
Though the show does depict from the start that Scoots can't fly, this isn't even significant for the story anywhere until S4 E5, which is when we first see Diamond Tiara tease her for it.
@SPArcheon Let me look this up, because I don't think Lauren Faust said that. I think she may have said that she imagined Scootaloo had a birth defect, but I don't think she said this would be explored in an episode.
https://forums.giantitp.com/showsinglepost.php?p=13765101&postcount=483 is what I can find. it claims
> Lauren recently said that she never intended for Scootaloo to be able to fly. Her wings are deformed.
> Lauren recently said that she never intended for Scootaloo to be able to fly. Her wings are deformed.
and other mentions saying the same at forums.giantitp.com/showsinglepost.php?p=16254679 and forums.giantitp.com/showsinglepost.php?p=16254724 so it's likely that that is from Lauren. but that only talks about Lauren's motivation for character design, not that she intended to explore her past in the show.
and I think it's probably the right choice to not care about her past, because what's the point of making an episode of why she was born with weak wings, this isn't a medical docu-drama, the show has to explore her future of how she'll live with that inability to fly, and the show did try that in S4 E5.
Note that even in S3 E6 nobody cares that Scootaloo can't fly. She doesn't live in Cloudsdale (anymore), she lives in Ponyville which is populated by a mix of ponies many of which don't have wings. She's comfortable with not being able to fly until Diamond Tiara decides to tease her for that.
@SPArcheon Sunset's past is mysterious. I don't know if we know which world she's originally from. Regardless, it seems that what made her special is that she was once the special student of Princess Celestia. Princess Celestia's human counterpart isn't a special princess who is the only one with power to move the sun, as far as I understand, so I'm not sure how a Sunset counterpart would work.
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@SPArcheon In Boast Busters, she attacked Twilight because Twilight was the one insecure about the whole magic competition thing. She knew she found Twilight's insecurity about her (back then) new friends and that that was the key to mess with Twilight. She didn't see a way to attack Rainbow Dash or Rarity, and Pinkie just wasn't present in that episode.
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> (About Scootaloo parents) They both have demanding jobs and Scoots is good at evading her babysitter.
so, her family was planned by Lauren by the start. Coincidentally when we finally see them in a later season they DO have a weird job as "explorers" that keep them away a lot.
@b_jonas tried to keep that simple, I fear @AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні doesn't want a full summary episode by episode. But there is indeed a full episode about that - Flight to the Finish.
> One of Lauren Faust's security personnel in BronyCon 2012 stated that in his conversations with Faust she said Scootaloo was originally intended to be handicapped and would never be able to learn to fly;
> he said Faust conceived a story that would have played out over three episodes throughout the first two seasons, in which Scootaloo learns that her worth is defined by her talents and not by what she cannot do.[10] Earlier, Faust stated that there is "no reason" Scootaloo can't fly and that "she just hasn't figured it out yet"
That said it is also true that Lauren was quite indecisive on the matter. Before she said on Deviantart that Scoots just didn't learn yet. That was VERY old though, so probably it was just an older idea replaced by the "disability" one
@b_jonas I meant that some suspect that "Starlight" was intended as a one-shot character to appear in the finale, maybe in another episode to be redeemed and never again. The original subplot of Twilight getting a "student" would have been planned for Sunset after she would be added to the main show with Human Sunset replacing her in EG. Just a theory, nothing proved.
@b_jonas it is not that the scene is odd. The point is that if we suspect that Starlight was a latter addition, then it is possible that those dinamics were originally planned for either a) Twilight and Trixie (aka the "I always wanted to do magic but I couldn't, I hated how lucky you were to be chosen by Celestia" theory that would bring them closer after Trixie confession) or b) Twilight and Sunset (the "Sunset in main show, Human Sunset replace her in EG" theory)
After she returns she is clearly "fine" with the other Mane Six (not that they interact that much but still) but seems nervous around Twilight, often trying lame jokes more similar to her older self.
Apparently, I wasn't the only one. There is a specific fan comic that is just about that. Many had an headcanon of Trixie being poor and going around in a cart not because of her personal choice but because it is the only way to make a living and still pursue some form of magic.
Notice that most MLP main characters have a virtue tied to them - see the "Elements", but they also carry an evident "issue", something that usually is made to relate to their life.
AJ tries to do everything alone. Because she fears that the farm is upon her with Granny getting older and that she must do everything for Apple Bloom (and partially Big Mac)
Pinkie doesn't like to laugh. She NEED laughter to be herself or she falls into depression like she used when still at the farm. So laugh is both her strength and weakness.
Twilight life changed out of sheer luck in a way, she constantly fears to lose what she has. See her terror of deluding Celestia.
Rainbow is EXTREMELY insecure. She doesn't boast, she need to remind herself that she is good. See the episode with her parents, how she spent her old life in overpraise to the point that when others told her she was good it felt empty.
Fluttershy is kind to the point of fearing that being herself would hurt others. So she just repress her dreams
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@SPArcheon What? Starlight appeared in S5 opening and then in the S5 finale. And in the finale is clear enough on that Starlight is there to stay, or at least that's what Twilight wants. She clearly wasn't planned to be a one-shot character. Sunset may have been intended a one-shot villain for EG1, that I could believe, because they didn't know that there'd be an EG2 then.
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Issue:
Rainbow Rocks, the movie that fixes Sunset as a permanent, now main cast character is dated 27 September 2014. Season 5, the one that features the first appearance of Starlight started on 4 April 2015 and ended in november of the same year. Basically Starlight comes soon after Sunset addition to EG main core characters.
Rainbow Rocks, the movie that fixes Sunset as a permanent, now main cast character is dated 27 September 2014. Season 5, the one that features the first appearance of Starlight started on 4 April 2015 and ended in november of the same year. Basically Starlight comes soon after Sunset addition to EG main core characters.
Back then fans basically where "we want Sunset in main show", so planning a way to do that without really causing any damage to EG seems appropriate (note, it is the same time they made Sci Twi to detach EG from pony Twilight)
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