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Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

06:37

@Derpy your action over five years ago took effect just now....

in Shadow's Den on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 mins ago, by FOX 9000

@ShadowWizardWearingMask WSP (?)

You remember this?

Guess not, so...

in Shadow's Den on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Feb 4 '15 at 15:39, by SPArchaeologist

>>continue WSP virus

BTW these days the Den is really a different place than what it used to be when you decided to leave it. No trace to the people who were active back then, so you can play WAG again if you like, FOX is lonely. ;)

12 hours later…

Derpy

19:00

@ShadowWizardWearingMask A WSP package is a package for SharePoint. Therefore, it is basically a functionality update for a virus.

Andras Deak

I thought you liked sharepoint

Derpy

@AndrasDeak .... what gave you that idea??

I have to work with SharePoint. And it is a mess

(also, kinda unrelated....

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 5 mins ago, by Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

Am I going crazy or Facebook has decided to self-terminate by requiring login to access any profile page (including those of companies that advertise thru the site)?

Andras Deak

19:32

@Derpy I knew you worked with it (any tech thing I've seen you remark on was SP) and I kind of assumed you didn't hate it. Working with tech you hate sucks.

I only have very limited clicky-clicky experience with it, so I can't even imagine what using it seriously (and programming it) can be like

Derpy

19:49

@AndrasDeak Over the course of some years, I kinda managed to just be indifferent to it. It is bad due to the way it was implemented, but I don't let it ruin my day.

In a way, it is even funny.

Seeing the horrible workarounds you have to make at times can be intriguing.

Andras Deak

that's Stockholm syndrome at best :)

Derpy

@AndrasDeak nope, more of a explorer/archeologist thing.

Decoding SharePoint docs is kinda similar to deciphering hieroglyphs

Andras Deak

ah, explains that username...

also, ugh :(

Derpy

20:04

I think I mentioned that before somewhere.

Once I found a pdf book hidden on a MSDN page that documented the schema for the CAML spec.

Andras Deak

@Derpy probabky, but I don't stalk you :P

Derpy

Short version, it is an XML like language you have to use to describe some things in a declarative way when working with solutions, features ect

Andras Deak

Not familiar with CAML

Derpy

Just to give you a vague idea of "How BAD" it is...

Andras Deak

@Derpy you had me at XML-like

But go on :D

Derpy

20:08

some properties must have boolean value, some had to have GUID values.

Well...

A "normal/sane minded" language would probably accept the strings "true", "True", "TRUE" etc... without making any casing distinction.

Everything unexpected should give a warning/error

Sharepoint... nope.

Every true/false value has different rules

Some are considered "true" only if you write exactly "True", false otherwise (so "TRUE" is considered false in this case)

Andras Deak

Haha, nice

Tell me that invalid values are silently ignored

Derpy

Some ignore casing but unexpected values are considered false. Some do the same but consider errors as true

Andras Deak

Oh, it's false. Even better!

Derpy

In some cases, you can either write "True" or "TRUE" but "true" gives an error

Andras Deak

Is that incompetence or malice?

Derpy

20:13

In some cases, EVERY value is considered true, even the string "false"

to specify a false value, you must not set the property altogether.

Andras Deak

Sounds like malice :P

Derpy

interoperability.blob.core.windows.net/files/MS-WSSCAML/…

I was able to find the doc again

As you can see, it gets even better with Guids.

Sometime you have to include curly braces, sometime it will error out if you do...

But the "true/false" thing is the worst.

Andras Deak

> Intellectual Property Rights Notice for Open Specifications Documentation

Aha! So it is malice!

Derpy

"Newbies" often lose hours because they think they have set a property to true in a feature but the package "seems to ignore my setting"

Andras Deak

I like how "UniqueIdentifierWithOrWithoutBracesWithOrWithoutDashes" is a "common simple type"

Derpy

20:20

and then discover that they wrote prop="true" in a case where only "True" is accepted and everything else is ignored

@AndrasDeak Sadly, I have to go now, but if you want to see how weird it can get, read this old post of mine

Q: Purpose of the <MAPPINGS> CAML element in a custom Choice Field definition

I have yet to find a clear answer to this topic, so I'm writing this question in hope that someone can explain me the correct way to achieve my goal. I must also add that all my test was done on SharePoint 2007, but as far as I know the behavior should be the same when using the 2010 version. Edi...