@ShadowThePrincessWizard afternoon.

I see Monica now has done a Youtube podcast on the incident.

@Derpy yup that's true

@ShadowThePrincessWizard and in the meantime, the master plan has actually been quite sucessful since people no longer talk about that - or the license problem

So what they talk about?

random thing, they will continue to moderate in the tavern and do free job.

until next time I guess.

I... overestimated their personas, I guess.

Seems whatever fire there was, it is already doused for the love of status quo.

Or underestimated how addictive SE can be...

People consider SE as family... and one don't ditch family even when that family is doing bad things.

@ShadowThePrincessWizard well, if you notice I am almost inactive. Just here chatting I guess.

Yep noticed... @Zoe is leaving, guess you saw her post(s) in Den?

Furthermore... I have been thinking about it. I don't think I ever got a "full" answer to a question I posted here.

Every time I was desperate enough to actually ask, the problem was so intricate or obscure that no one answered my actual question, so...

It is not even like I need an account at this point.

@Derpy you mean on SE sites in general?

You need account if you want to be involved, i.e. comment, vote, etc.

@ShadowThePrincessWizard yep

But to stalk you don't need it, correct.

exactly.

To be more specific, what I mean is that currently I am actually doing all "for free"

Let me explain - normally even moderation could be "paid of" if you got something in return - in this case quality answers to your own problems / question.

But it kinda never worked for me, so...

I have no need to ask questions that I could easily google out.

(but I seem to notice that most of our userbase doesn't really appear to share that view....)

Most ask first, Google later, yeah.

anyway, I officially changed my other username to Hitodama.

So, SPArchaeologist is no more.

:(

I was thinking to use another word, Onibi.

but Onibi, demon fire, is the result of grudge.

That would still mean that I cared about SE destiny enough to old grudge.

Hitodama are just lingering souls.

much more appropriate.

Too many times I tried to warn people of how self destructive was the road we have took, and now I am tired to waste my voice

Do as ye wish, I say.

People rarely listen to warnings.

yep.

but, you know... I now think you were right.

Your case is very much like @Yve's.... she also tried her best to voice her opinions, suggest ways to make things better, and got only the sharp end of the stick.

SE won't shut down anytime soon.

too much apathy.

most don't even care.

wait, forget that...

most don't even know

Even when they know, it's not enough to drive them away.

See in Tavern, new user called Kenny. He arrived from other site to MSE, learned about Monica, said how sorry he is to hear what happened, and.... that is it.

That's classic example.

I have a feeling we're missing something very crucial in Monica case and everything that happened to/with her, something that can change everything but nobody is allowed to tell anything about it. I only hope that one day we'll know more.

oh, I have a very precise idea of what we are missing, but I think that mentioning it here wouldn't be very appropriate.

there are elements that make this seem far more "personal" that is should ever have been.

but again, I don't really want to fall into a "who is wrong who is right" argument here.

not really my point.

not really the place

not the time

I am just baffled by how this was managed.

And I am even more baffled by the amount of grudge and resent some staff posts show towards the userbase.

Both here and on twitter.

But I don't think I need to say that anymore, do I?

@Derpy but there are counter examples, both on MSE and twitter.

Yaakov isn't the only one, surely.

@ShadowThePrincessWizard oh, I am sure there are, somewhere, under the mud, hidden....

I'm pretty sure all/most devs are like that: fully support the community/users but can't really make any change.

But, you know, I don't think that they will do much there.

people remember the bad more than they remember the good.

And even I can't force myself to forget the "whoever downvoted this should do some serious personal growth" (you know what I am talking about...)

or the "thanks for leaving! you were the problem!"

We can't and should not forget, agree.

@ShadowThePrincessWizard oh, I could.

But at the condition that there is the will to change

oh, hi @Zoe

Hey @Zoe

(looking for more people who can welcome @Zoe ;))

Hi @Zoe

;p

Hiya 👋

@ShadowThePrincessWizard maybe I can trick kindly give @Zoe the opportunity to listen to the song you never did

(just pretend you did @Zoe, I am just trying to make @Shadow feel guilty)

lol

Old habits never die, and I love it. :D

Who will try to make me watch MLP if you leave, @Derpy? :(

@ShadowThePrincessWizard it is not like you can really persuade me into not leaving by mentioning another lost cause, you know ... ^_^'

:)

@Derpy which song?

if you listen to the words, you will probably realize why I posted it in the first place.

yeah, it does make sense

(And I actually did listen to it. Songs like that are one of the reasons I watch MLP.

well, more the lesson than the song, but whatever

feels guilty

@ShadowThePrincessWizard you should listen to it.

:)

@Zoethetransgirl the only problem that song has is that the main leitmotif doesn't get much time nor in the original version nor in the reprise at the end of the song.

@ShadowThePrincessWizard no, really, the point there is that the song is basically what SE did with Meta.

^

^^

@Derpy I just realized something. You know how half of the Apple family are named of types of apple in our world? And how these probably exist in Equestria too, though I can't seem to find that one sentence in an episode that proves this?

Anyway, they missed one such pun. There's a kind of apple called Gala in our world. Or maybe two, I'm a bit unclear on this, because there appears to be a sweet red one called that and a semi-sour green one as well. Applejack should have tried to sell that on the Grand Galloping Gala.