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06:28
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@johnny09 Then it's exactly what the PDF I linked you to is talking about.
A polyhedral basis generalizes a piecewise linear function of one variable, because a piecewise function comprises a finite set of functions, and a polyhedral basis is also a finite set of functions, such that you can put them together in a specific way to get a polyhedral surface, which is a generalization of a piecewise curve.
I'm not sufficiently interested in this topic to dig out the details, but I am sure you can find your answers in the linked PDF.
=)
 
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10:53
This puzzle also has two solutions. Try to find both of them.

The five animal breeders each breed one of birds, cats, dogs, fish, and monkeys.

Only one animal breeder breeds the animal they share a name with.

The person who breeds dogs shares a name with the animal that FitzMonkey breeds.

LeBird breeds birds.
Which of the following additional constraints would give this puzzle a unique solution?
answer was McDog doesn't breed cats or monkeys.
LeBird birds, VanCat dogs, McDog ish, DuFish monkeys, FitzMonkey cats
@user21820 can you do it?
this might not be off topic
Of course I can solve such puzzles, and it is not off-topic here.
But I won't solve it myself. If you want to solve it, you have to learn how to use PL (propositional logic).
11:09
@user21820 have learned it
basic math in university
Then what did you try?
I fully solved it
only thing ruining it is the monkey
2 solutions available and if it was fish or cats it would be great but it is cats or monkey which is confusing
Err.. if you do not show me your purported solution, I cannot see where you're going wrong.
well I have showed the solution
u need to eliminate one solution from list of two solution i gave
need to get unique
You have not. A solution is not just a list of assignments of breeders to animal types. It must explain why the assignments are the only possibilities.
11:13
so I need to give explanation why it is true?
then we have to work on paper with a grid
Logical arguments do not need a grid.
OK so let's start
lee birds breeds as it is showed in the statement
Yes. Go on.
nobody else can breed the animal they share name with
eg Macdonald can't breed dog
And please be more careful with your English. Many of your above sentences are sloppily written with grammatical or spelling errors.
@SpecterProphet Macdonald ≠ McDog.
11:17
@user21820 sorry It's my autocorrect doing those mistake.
Carefulness is a habit. Check before sending. Even after sending, you can edit mistakes for a short while. But go on.
FitzMonkey can't breed dogs. If she did she would have to share a name with the animal that she, FitzMonkey, breeds. That means her name would be McDog which isn't true.
Right.
We are left with two choice for FitzMonkey.
Cats or fish.
Let's start with cats.
Vancat must breed dog since shares the name with the animal FitzMonkey breeds.
Yes.
And you're done in that case; easy enough.
11:23
Then DuFish breeds monkey.
Next case: FitzMonkey breeds fish.
OK hope you understand it until now.
Yes I do. I just wanted to check that you do. Because your later remarks in your original question are weird.
For fish now.
Du fish gets dog.
I know. I'm satisfied with your solution.
11:25
Vancat breeds monkey.
What I don't understand is why you find fault with the given answer.
It's not wrong.
yes it's not wrong
but why monkey?
I suspect you didn't give the full puzzle. Presumably it gave a few options, one of which is a correct answer.
Otherwise there would be so many possible answers.
May be I think i need to rethink
I am confused
I'm not sure why you should be confused. Your reasoning above is sound. So all you have to do is to check the original source of this puzzle and see whether they provided multiple options only one of which work.
11:31
@user21820 how do you understand something so fast. It took me 20 min to figure it out.
it is or statement so t f becomes t so doesn't need both to be t
understood it now
Oh okay.
That's great.
I was thinking about and one
@SpecterProphet One of my specializations is in logic, so I suppose I ought to be fast with logical reasoning.
But beware of natural language issues.
"McDog doesn't breed cats or monkeys" has a natural interpretation, but who knows some people might misinterpret it.
@user21820 You must have spended quite a lot of time on it.
That's true.
11:37
@user21820 Yes sir!
How do you know I'm a "sir"?
I naturally interpret mathematician to be sir.
There are many mathematicians who are not sirs.
Better not to assume.
OK then I call you mam?
@SpecterProphet Just use my username if you need to refer to me.
11:42
@user21820 ok
If you like logic puzzles, do you also like things like Rubik's cube?
@user21820 Yes. I think pinging might make sound so can I call you 21820
f(t) measures the total amount of rainfall at time t at the Municipal Airport. Is this function continuous or discontinus?
@SpecterProphet Don't worry about making ping ping sounds at me. My speakers are mute so I don't hear anything.
Group theory is good tools to deal with thing.
11:43
=D
@SpecterProphet If you have played with it before, you may be interested in a post I wrote before about it:
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Q: Solving Rubik's cube and other permutation puzzles

user21820I've seen two questions on solving the Rubik's cube but none of the answers have given a complete solution using mainly mathematical techniques. Furthermore, I've not seen a good explanation of general techniques for solving permutation puzzles in general, including those of the Rubik's cube fami...

What kind of puzzle you like?
@mathsstudent Not a well-defined question. I hope it's not a question from an actual course or something.
@SpecterProphet I like all sorts of logic puzzles that can actually be solved by thinking rather than brute-force. For example:
Jun 15 '18 at 5:29, by user21820
Recommended by logicians: Excellent logical puzzles.
Soon I will deal with Rubrik cube so I will bookmark your question. And read your answer. Everything in math interests me.
@user21820 it's from one of the not so famous book calculus for managerial skills something like that
@user21820 Thanks I will try that out later . I might be interrupting your chat so see you later B).
11:55
@SpecterProphet See you! Right now, the Tatham's puzzle I like best is Loopy. It has many variants. Squares is easy, Honeycomb is medium, Cairo is hard.
 
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14:57
hi!
Find the number of ways of selecting n letters from 3n letters which contains 'n' a s , 'n' b s and the rest n letters are distinct from each other.Solution:"There are $k+1$ ways to select $k$ a's and b's, and then there are $\binom nk$ ways to choose the distinct letters you don't select. Thus the desired count is

\begin{eqnarray*}
\sum_{k=0}^n(k+1)\binom nk
&=&
\left[\frac\partial{\partial q}\sum_{k=0}^n\binom nkq^{k+1}\right]_{q=1}
\\
&=&
\left[\frac\partial{\partial q}\left(q(1+q)^n\right)\right]_{q=1}
A very silly doubt why it was $k+1$
@user69608 Well try for small k. If you have 2 apples and 2 bananas, how many ways to get 2 apples/bananas (considering all apples identical and all bananas identical)?
@user21820 You mean choosing any two of four?
it should't be $4\choose 2$ as all are not different right?
> considering all apples identical and all bananas identical
And don't guess the answer. If you are not sure, then list all the possible ways out systematically.
So we have $ AA BB$ we want number of ways to get any two. so it should be AA,BB,AB right?
Yes. So isn't that 3 ways?
But that is not systematic. Try systematically listing the solutions if you have AAABBB and want 3 of them (ignoring order).
15:11
@user21820 $AAA,BBB,AAB,ABB$
oh yeah it follows
right?
systematic?
You have listed them, but not systematically. Try again.
I can't tell you the answer because I want you to figure out on your own.
systematically means? how should I write? just that $AAB,ABB$ can not arrange in themselves
@user69608 Do it for AAAAABBBBB where I want 5 of them. Give me a vertical list. No commas. Type elsewhere, then copy and paste here then send.
$AAAAA

BAAAA

BBAAA

BBBAA


BBBBA

BBBBB

$
i did in vertical but why it came horizontal
@user69608 Because you used LaTeX unnecessarily. Why put $?
Anyway, it is now systematic.
Do you see now why the answer is k+1?
15:25
AAAAA

BAAAA

BBAAA

BBBAA


BBBBA

BBBBB
@user21820 yes
Excellent.
thank you very much
@user69608: I hope you keep this in mind. When learning combinatorics, it is often very useful to list solutions for small cases systematically, to better understand the structure.
@user21820 yeah i will remember
By the way, in this chat-room there is no need to use LaTeX except for very complicated formulae that you cannot express in textual format. Partly because it is actually troublesome for simple formulae, and partly because I don't use MathJax here.
15:29
ok
15:57
A coin is tossed $m+n$ times $(m>n)$.Show that the probability of atleast $m$ consecutive heads is $\frac{n+2}{2^{m+1}}$. Soution:"The probability the first $m$ tosses are heads is $\dfrac1{2^m}$.

The probability that the $j$th is tails and the next $m$ are heads is $\dfrac1{2^{m+1}}$, providing that $1 \le j \le n$.

If $n \le m$ then these are disjoint events, so the probability any of them occurs is $\dfrac1{2^m}+ n \times \dfrac1{2^{m+1}} = \dfrac{n+2}{2^{m+1}}.$" Doubt:why we are letting $j$th to be tail, if we don't let then we may get head at that place but that's what we want "g
@user69608 @SpecterProphet @Threnody @johnny09 @Knight: By the way, do you know that there is an ongoing Math SE moderator election? If you don't have a strong preference, I recommend voting for Paramanand Singh, for the reasons I stated in a comment:
Thanks for running for the election! I am happy to see you affirm that you are "ready to admit mistakes and improve on them" and "ready go an extra mile trying to ensure fairness". You didn't mention those points in this questionaire because it didn't ask you about it, but I feel they are the most important for a moderator. =) — user21820 Jul 21 at 7:31
@user21820 i already voted :-)
Ah you already voted the same? That's great!
@user21820 yes
My second choice is TheSimpliFire, but I hope it doesn't have to come to that. =)
16:23
@user21820 suppose that I want to do a set of difficult problems(at my level) (around 30) (as early as i can do).should I attempt them all and go on doing even if I am not able to do many or I should search about that particular question after attempting a problem or should ask someone as soon as i am not able to do particular problem?please help
@user69608 My advice is to understand the concepts thoroughly. The number of problems you attempt is not an important factor. What is more important is that you have a 100% understanding of each problem that you do look at and its solution (either after you find it or after reading it).
As for when to get help, you'd have to learn to evaluate your capabilities and judge whether the problem is within your reach or not.
If it is clearly beyond your current ability, get help straightaway (no point wasting time on your own).
@user21820 yeah but should i go on doing and attempting or search about them after each try?
If you feel you might be able to find a solution within a few days, continue trying.
ok thanks

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