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A: What are the pros and cons of front and rear suspension?

CriggieSpecific answers to your questions: Does suspension reduce acceleration? Yes, for two reasons. Suspension causes bob, where some of your pedal power goes into flexing the suspension with each pedal stroke. That power does not spring back out and help you, it is lost. This can be helped i...

But I'd avoid the hugely knobbly tyres shown in the photo, for riding only on the road. Knobbles flex against the ground and sap energy.
The performance-related cons of front suspension would be a factor if OP is planning to participate in the Tour de France
@James The extra weight of front suspension is a factor, since the OP's profile says they live in San Francisco, where there are a lot of hills.
Just to be nit picky here, physics actually says that added mass does not increase stopping distance. The extra mass added to momentum is exactly cancelled out by the extra mass added to the frictional stopping force. Look it up. That being said, your stopping distance will increase at high speeds because the shocks will make your weight will tend to go forward faster, meaning that you have to back off on the brakes to avoid spilling over the handlebars.
@BlackThorn - In a car your "added mass doesn't increase stopping distance" might add up, as in a car your stopping force is limited by tyre>road friction. On a bike you're often limited by either brake pad>rim friction or not-going-over-the-handlebars; neither of these is increased by increased bike mass.
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@AndyT cars work on the exact same principle. Typically your squeezing power should be enough to lock up the wheels, just like in a car, at which point we are now working with the maximum friction the tires can generate against the road.
The low seat suggests something with a low BB to me, for better ergonomics -- that might push more towards a hybrid than a rigid MTB (going by the limited sample size that is my collection)
@BlackThorn that assumes you dare brake at maximum -- so your front brake is on to the point where the back wheel is lifting. Then you hit a crack in the road or a patch of oil. Bad things happen. In most riding you want some margin before hitting that point, but in a car the back will never lift completely and you won't notice one wheel hitting a dodgy patch of road. The first-order physics is the same, but first-order physics doesn't do a very good job of non-ideal situations (that's engineering, and I've been on both sides of the physics/engineering divide)
also to come back to the effect of front suspension -- the added weight is in exactly the wrong place to help stop the back lifting, being directly over the front wheel axis.
Most of this answer is over simplified to the point of incorrect, Unfortunately the arguments lead to a correct recommendation making the flawed premise look valid. I am not a betting man, but I put $1000 in it I can stop my full sus MTB quicker than anyone here on a road bike.
@mattnz Is that because you have disk brakes rather than rim brakes?
@ChrisH yeah, you aren't going to go full on the brakes, that's my point. Braking power isn't the bottleneck, it's the tipping forward that does it. Insofar as the added weight starts to tip you forward, your ability to stop is lessened. Added mass doesn't do that, change in center of gravity does. Front suspension changes the center of gravity, so you may not be able to stop quite as fast. If you had extra weight over your back wheel, you would be able to stop just as fast. It's an issue of balance, not mass.
@BlackThorn you say "over the back wheel" and that's absolutely not the case here. You're not even scaling up the mass in the same place, when your comment would be correct. Any assertion that didn't take into account the mass distribution is oversimplified. A demonstration of when you're correct is riding with a rear child seat. 20kg over the back wheel and you can use the back brake as hard as you'd normally use the front.
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@BlackThorn Sorry, but you're wrong. Extra mass does increase the stopping distance, because it doesn't increase the frictional force between the brake pads and the wheel rim or disc that they're acting on. Your claim that the extra friction at the ground exactly compensates the extra mass is only true if you've locked both wheels and are skidding to a stop, but that's simply not possible on a bike -- you'd go over the bars. (OK, it would also be true if you were only using the back brake and had locked the back wheel, but rotating wheels brake more effectively than skidding ones anyway.)
@DavidRicherby Guys just read what I said. If you are not limited to how tight you can squeeze your brakes, meaning that you are capable of locking your wheels, then you can generate exactly the same amount of stopping force as you can with a lighter bike. All that matters after that is how you are balanced and whether you will fly over the handlebars, not how heavy your bike+cargo is. This is really simple physics, folks.
@BlackThorn I read what you said, and I explained why it doesn't apply to bicycle braking. You don't stop a bike by locking both wheels so, in any actual bicycle braking situation, the braking is controlled by the brake-wheel interface, not the wheel-ground interface. There is a limit to how much force you can apply to the wheel through the brakes (the strength of your fingers plus the mechanical advantage of the system) and that limit is independent of the weight that's being stopped.
@DavidRicherby yes yes, I know, but you don't have to lock the wheels to exert the same amount of stopping power. Anyway, if you feel so strongly about the physics of this, weigh in here: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/394975/…
My question for you is how heavy does your bike have to be before you can no longer squeeze the brakes tight enough? If you have a good brake system, you should be able to stop it even if your load is quite heavy.
Assuming you're comparing an unloaded bike+rider with the same bike+rider+load, then it will weigh more loaded. So stopping with the same pressure, from the same forward speed, will require dispelling more momentum on the loaded bike. Thus will take longer to stop. Simple physics.
Monkey Wrench: Suspension actually increases braking power in rough terrain because it can keep the wheel in contact with the ground and reduce bounce. Probably not applicable for the OP, but hey.

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