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03:25
@WendiKidd Same here. But if you are lucky, you might meet me :)
 
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16:09
@Cerberus The point is: Why would Wiktionary be so important to be discussed? Aren't there other sites that are used from who is learning English?
@kiamlaluno Sure!
Discuss those too.
16:29
@Cerberus Stack Exchange sites are not discussion sites.
You said "discussed".
I don't see that question as a discussion. You asked about the relevance of Wiktionary, not about whether or not it was too much of a discussion.
 
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18:07
@Mistu4u Hee, hopefully someday we'll be on at the same time!
@WendiKidd You gave a call and I am here :)
@kiamlaluno & @Cerberus: To throw my hat into your discussion, I have to say that I think questions about the reliability of resources are definitely on topic. ELL exists to help people learn English, which they can hardly do if they have unreliable teaching tools. It's like when you're in school, and they teach you which websites are reputable for sources in history or english papers--
@Mistu4u Haha, hi! Finally someone to talk to :)
How are you doing today? :)
Hello, It is not literally empty always. @Cerberus, stays here idele :p
".org and .gov are usually more reliable, Wikipedia can be edited by everyone so it shouldn't be your only source for a piece of information, getting info from actual published books is also a good idea..." etc. If you're never taught what sources are reliable, you might use misinformation and learn something completely wrong. So I think it's very important to answer those questions.
I am doing fine. Hope you are doing fine too :)
18:12
Meep, half my message got cut in half. I'm new at chat, can you tell? ;)
@WendiKidd I believe you are talking about the "wikitionary" question.
Ahh, I see. I wasn't aware! Still, no one to chat with makes chat less fun, so I'm glad you're here ;)
@Mistu4u Yep, I am
(talking about the wiktionary question)
But I don't see the point about discussing on Wikitionary only.
Tomorrow I can come up with a lot of different sites
@WendiKidd I agree.
@Mistu4u Yup!
with different questions
18:13
I can be the room's mascotte.
on their authenticity
Oh, no. I think all sites should be able to be discussed; it's very important in my opinion that if anyone wonders if a source is useful, they should be able to ask
@Mistu4u You should definitely do that! It would be good to have a knowledge base of what sites are reliable and not. @Cerberus Hi!
Rather I propose to make the questions a CW and the answers should also be made CW covering normally popular sites.
Plus during this discussion you might find a resource you'd never heard of--I'd never heard of lang-8 (or something similar, I have it bookmarked now) until I saw it in a question the other day.
18:15
@Mistu4u That's a good idea, I think there's an old post on stackoverflow that CW and has lots of programming books in it somewhere. It would be valuable here as well.
That is CW, I should have said
That is CW, I should have said
@WendiKidd Yes I have seen similar tries in other SE sites too.
BDW @WendiKidd are you new to SE sites?
@Mistu4u Nope, been on stackoverflow for a while now. This is my first beta though :)
Definitely new to chat ;)
It keeps making me retry to send the messages, which sometimes messes up the order (or makes things post twice!)
Yeah. I am not much active on SO, but active on beta stes though
haha
@Cerberus, I see you online maximum of time? Are you always sitting in front of computer?
Haha. I mostly just lurk on SO lately. I was active for a while but posting answers over there is hard--it's so active that by the time you post an answer someone else already has!
(And on SO if the code is right, there's no need for another answer, unlike here where multiple answers can be useful)
I should hope Cerberus takes breaks to sleep! ;)
@WendiKidd I had always doubts regarding this issue. In Area51 it is always a criteria to have multiple answers to a single question and they keep the track of it.
But in some sites it is really not that important like you pointed out.
@WendiKidd No Cerebus is active in ELU chat. :P
hi @StoneyB , Glad you made it here at last :D
18:28
@Mistu4u No, I just leave the tab open.
@Cerberus Hmm, I suspected that.
@WendiKidd You can edit your previous chat line by pressing the up key.
'lo, folks. Exciting to see actual (or at least virtual) presences here .
@StoneyB Hello. It is pleasure to have you here.
@Cerberus Oh, thanks for the info! That helps :) @StoneyB Hi! Nice to see you in live chat :)
18:32
I am trying to restrain my fury at people wanting to close this question because it's too intelligent.
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@Mistu4u Yeah, I guess it depends on the site whether or not multiple answers are useful. Assuming the first answer is correct, sometimes it's not necessary (like on SO). But I suppose part of the 2.5 answers-per-question thing is also that it's unlikely that the first answer will always be right.
@StoneyB clicks link
@StoneyB, I don't see a point on closing the question really.
Especially good to see two of my favorite questioners (Cerberus, too, but he's The Eminent Paleographer who sort of intimidates me).
@Mistu4u Nor do I; and if it is closed I shall make a (decorous) stink on Meta and try to get it reopened.
@StoneyB ...why would anyone close that question? I fail to understand the desire to close questions that are "too advanced" and say they should belong on ELU. If someone is learning English and they have a question, that by definition makes it an ELL question. For one thing, how is someone to know if the question is advanced or not if they're learning? For another, who cares if there are advanced questions?
@StoneyB, With all due respect Sir, Do you always speak so ornamental language like now?
@WendiKidd I prone to agree on your point here.
18:36
@Mistu4u Alas, yes. It is a social failing; but my father was an English professor, and it is my native tongue.
@Mistu4u Well, I cast a leave open vote at any rate, and upvoted both question and answer. Hopefully it will remain open.
@StoneyB, If you raise a post in meta, that might help. But in current standing it is very likely the question would eventually be closed.
+1 from me too :)
@WendiKidd What is really infuriating is snarky remarks about Jane Eyre. Do people think the only reason for learning English is to write business plans?
@StoneyB God knows what they think, but I love this language and would go as deep as I can to master it.
@StoneyB Haha. No, definitely not! I wasn't much a fan of Jane Eyre when I read it, but as I was 14 and forced to read it in school and answer ridiculous questions so that's probably why. Regardless, I'd never judge someone else for their reading choices.
And I know it's hard to read novels in other languages, I used to speak a decent bit of Spanish, but trying to read a novel that was recommended to me in Spanish was very difficult. I didn't make it all the way through, so I applaud those who read novels in other languages.
18:41
@Mistu4u Oh, I won't act until it actually it is closed, and perhaps it won't be. But I'm not holding my breath. There are too many people around here who think that less-than-perfect English means inferior minds.
@WendiKidd Totally agreed with you. I remember once I tried to read The Alchemist, but it seemed too hard to me to read at first.
@WendiKidd I don't much like it either, but that's just my taste.
@Mistu4u That's the one I tried to read! My Spanish teacher recommended it but the level was too high for me. Small world! ;)
@WendiKidd Oh really??! Small world truly. But is it in Spanish too?
Whose Alchemist? The only one I know is the Ben Jonson play, which is very gnarly English.
18:45
Yes, it was originally in Spanish. There's also an English translation, but my teacher told me that a lot was lost in translation and I should try and read it in Spanish. Unfortunately it was too difficult for me.
Ah, maybe we're talking about something different. Let me look it up.
It's by Paulo Coelho
I am talking about Paulo Cohelo
@WendiKidd Yes that is right.
Hee, yes, small world!!
I don't even remember what it was about to be honest, I didn't get very far
Ah. Since my time! I was about to say, Ben Jonson is pretty much diving off the deep end for English students.
I haven't heard of that one before. Is it good?
Oops ... boss returning from a three-day shoot with [grumble] Work. Gotta run.
18:49
@StoneyB Haha, likewise, or contrariwise, or what say we?
Bye!
Contemporary of Shakespeare's. Very funny once you understand the jokes! But it takes lots of footnotes.
Ta ...
@StoneyB Oh no, not work! Ah well, talk to you later. And I'll look into the play!
Bye and Good night @StoneyB!!
Hey, It is night here but not there. So good day ahead!!
All right buddies. Goo day (Although it is 12.30AM IST here)
 
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22:02
@Cerberus Sure, but you said, "Discuss those too."
@WendiKidd Still, the topic of the site is English, not every thing that could be interesting to who is learning English.
@kiamlaluno I merely echoed your words.

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